TheQuestion
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is it? that time i tried to send pm it said box is full due to the suspension.
Suggestion: Code of Conduct for Lingerine and Nude Organised Shoots continuation
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is it? that time i tried to send pm it said box is full due to the suspension.
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Del_CtrlnoAlt
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Yes, she need to be responsible for what she had expressed publicly.
If TNP wish to do a followup on that, we can't stop them.
As for Lynette, i've reminded some of you that its inevitable that there are hoaxs, akin to spams from members, like i addressed earlier, we can't possibly check on every member to see if you are real or not. And whatever is posted is indeed your original works or what you have posted are as truthful as an oath.
Especially in such times, i hope you guys be level headed enough to not fall into any traps or potential baits set up by unknown malicious parties as a form of game or publicity, its afterall, not our reputation at stake. If for eg. any one of you took up the offer to shoot a 14 year old nude, even thou the shoot did not commence, your private message correspondence will be deemed akin to intention to act.
before i get blasted...
I'm not saying that lynette is a hoax, just as everyone is curious, i hope she can clarify.
I hope to be proven otherwise, else i hold my rights to be proven otherwise.
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Del_CtrlnoAlt
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hmm, let me check, can i suspend you again then we email each other on the findings. :devil:
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vince123123
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The mods have confirmed that they did not close the thread, hence I hardly think that saying a person copped out by closing their own suggestion thread after not being able to rebutt counterviews, qualifies as a personal attack.
If so, then there will be far many many more comments that have been made, that will be considered as personal attacks, if such a low bar is adopted.
If so, then there will be far many many more comments that have been made, that will be considered as personal attacks, if such a low bar is adopted.
Yes, she has my email and is on my MSN contact list.
redstone
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I mean... some people are sending too much personal attack to her, long before thread was locked. Just my view.
TheQuestion
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I dun have your email le :bsmilie:
TheQuestion
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Great! let us know if she decides to eat humble pie and apologize. I think the whole community is waiting to see that.
TheQuestion
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she made the first attack. her tai chi esp if she cannot face the responsibility for her actions. You don't throw rocks at someone and not expect them to react with anything but equal force. Though i hope that the members who attacked her kept it civil and not get too personal.
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vince123123
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Okay, so long as it is clear that your comment was not directed towards mine, because I assumed that to be so seeing how my post was quoted.
Ok, so one question might be, how do (we) as a community that wants to promote good photography encourage newbies to not take the "cheap" route and rather take a more "expensive" option and attend workshops and/or spend on real models?
And while I know the ideal answer is to say that they should do so as a hurdle to actual improvement, people do tend to think in terms of dollars esp. in the current economic climate.
TheQuestion
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at the end of the day people have to realize that photography is not just an expensive hobby but an expensive job as well because of all the heavy fixed costs you have to pay especially for equipment. Not to mention all the technical expertise that you will need to learn and master b4 being able to take a decent photograph. casual snappers who want to do this as way to vent should be encouraged to shoot more serious matter and not just some cmi xmm without her clothes on. then again i've always said that photography is a way for someone to look into the inner thoughts of the photographer...when someone shoots sleaze what are you gonna think of that someone when u look at his work?
fotoudavid
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For improvement, it's more on self implementing the attitude, and also keen to learn.
It's not about stopping such a paper, it's rather how to respond - either here in the forum or offline in a official response in TNP or other media. As somebody has pointed out much earlier in another thread about the TNP article: Why doesn't CS resond to show the POV from CS? Why keeping quiet and trying to hide and hoping that not too many will notice and remember? If we leave such articles uncommented it only takes another one of that kind and the reputation is down and we might attract more of the people we don't want or even worse: an authority with less sense for photography but more priority on protecting minors.
The screenshot from her profile shows her 'offering' - put this together with the statements in the TNP article and people can see for themselves. Together with an extract from the existing guidelines it can show that indeed CS is concerned about sleaze and informs its members accordingly. If members chose not to read such guidelines it's their personal choice.
Is there are strategy of the mods in this regards?
Del_CtrlnoAlt
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Photography isn't just about model shoot.
I've so far only done, 3 model shoot (if i can remember correctly), 1 was invited to offset a service i've done. Another one is model invite, 3rd is a impromptu shoot. All was at least 1 or 2 years ago... None i've paid, and none is after i am a moderator.
So far, to me, i'm more geared towards product and landscape, so with or without model shoot doesn't really matter to me.
I'd say, learn how to operate the camera instead of how to capture.
Learn the features of a camera instead of just jumping into the shooting game... i see alot of people who goes for shoots, questions often asked by members here... whats the aperture, whats the shutter speed... all these are basic fundamentals of camera features, the lenses and such... if you still need to ask all these, then you don't understand the camera... so why waste money going for shoot or even waste model's time for TFCD and such.
There is so many things to shoot and learn upon. Is model shooting a major aspect of photography? To me, honestly, i don't like to shoot humans... i admit, i sucks in shooting poses... cos its just not one of those things i shoot and i say hey, its good... maybe to some camera-man, yes, its their only hobby... i'd say, let them be.
Like ortega have said, if need practise, can always look for friends and relatives to practise shooting. The festive season is coming, there is tonnes of people waiting to get shot and receive the pictures of them in their nicest outfit. Isn't it more rewarding to shoot them than to shoot a bunch of models who may not be cooperative and may even tarnish your reputation in the midst of it.
a) Remove the Model Directory and disallow freelance models to advertise their services in the Personal Services Offered section - extremely drastic move but one that we are seriously contemplating to cut down on the perceived exploitation.
b) Put in place Code of Conduct and Guidelines for Organisers of PhotoShoots to promote/maintain a higher "quality" shoot eg. better equipment, mentoring, low photographer:model ratio etc etc.
Of course, there are pitfalls/issues with both those approaches - with a) apart from being a drastic knee-jerk move, we are merely diverting from the real issue (stop exploitation of models, better education of the modelling scene) and drives the supply underground which could be even worse. As it is, we (as photography community) should be inclusive and freelance models are, like it or not, part of the extended community in such that models need photographers, photographers need models (for this genre of photography that is).
With b) driving for higher quality shoots will inevitably drive up the per-head cost of the shoot which as pointed out, may not be entirely wise given the situation in the economy. Also, there is the grey area of enforcement (or rather the lack of it).
DCA: I agree with you, my first interest is not really taking portraits of models or even anyone for that matter, I much prefer natural settings, scenic views and animals. Though I recall reading something someone wrote to a newbie in last month or so (sorry for not quoting who, the words stuck not the writer) when they suggested,
"Spend your first year just shooting everything you can, at the end of the year you can work out what you love to shoot" (paraphrased)
But since the issue was "sleaze" and how to minimise it from this community I wondered how newbies, if at all possible, can be encouraged to learn the "right" way, if indeed there is one?
Darren: WOW I agree this would/could be quite a drastic step. Personally I prefer a more educational route than a banning one, since as you said, models and photographing such is a natural part of photography and being inclusive is how a community should act.
One question would (a) still allow model agencies to advertise and thus not prevent such shoots but at least (hopefully) bring them to a more "professional" level?
"Spend your first year just shooting everything you can, at the end of the year you can work out what you love to shoot" (paraphrased)
But since the issue was "sleaze" and how to minimise it from this community I wondered how newbies, if at all possible, can be encouraged to learn the "right" way, if indeed there is one?
Darren: WOW I agree this would/could be quite a drastic step. Personally I prefer a more educational route than a banning one, since as you said, models and photographing such is a natural part of photography and being inclusive is how a community should act.
One question would (a) still allow model agencies to advertise and thus not prevent such shoots but at least (hopefully) bring them to a more "professional" level?
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