Poll: Which Full frame camera will you buy?

[Redshutter]

You cannot judge Details based on these 3 photos

The photographer DID mention that it is a test on noise. So he didnt focus on the same spot

Obviously the middle one is focused somewhere btw the Lens and car.

Nonetheless, detail from FF camera is of coz more which is a fact.

Yeah... judging the results ( -/+) by looking at all different sources from all over the internet.

but technology is definitely very different.... just take a look at results from M4/3 and Fuji sensors.... cropped but their image quality are very impressive, even at high iso. Which means also the new FF sensors from D800, D4, 5D3 and 1DX will be very impressive too?

 

[doodah]

everywhere I have seen... cropped sensor image quality is always lesser than a FF. Lacking the details.

Let me say it again: FF + teleconverter is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS worse than cropped sensor camera. There is no way it can be better. Teleconverters ALWAYS degrade image quality.... substantially. Stop deluding yourself.

I am NOT comparing FF vs APS-C sensors on their own.

 

[gundamseed84]

not sure about d800 bit say if u compare a ff with TC vs cropped sensor to have equivalent field of vision and then crop each of them further. I think cropped sensor may not lose out. This has been the case for say birding sometimes i need to crop an image further with TC certain problems such as CA becomes more obvious, let alone IQ on other aspects.

Well one may still get cleaner images at higher iso if using FF. Your own choice.

 

[Redshutter]

Let me say it again: FF + teleconverter is ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS worse than cropped sensor camera. There is no way it can be better. Teleconverters ALWAYS degrade image quality.... substantially. Stop deluding yourself.

I am NOT comparing FF vs APS-C sensors on their own.

ahhh no wonder... never knew about the image quality degrading in using teleconvertor.

 

[Redshutter]

not sure about d800 bit say if u compare a ff with TC vs cropped sensor to have equivalent field of vision and then crop each of them further. I think cropped sensor may not lose out. This has been the case for say birding sometimes i need to crop an image further with TC certain problems such as CA becomes more obvious, let alone IQ on other aspects.

Well one may still get cleaner images at higher iso if using FF. Your own choice.

hahahha or you can slowly move stealthy closer to the subject!

 

[iLoveMyGears]

ppl complain about the 6D AF system. yes, it is a downgraded system from 5Dm3/D600. but do you know that professionals all over the world have been use 5Dmk2 as their workhorse. just want to say 6D AF system is good enough for everyone except u shoot motorsports or really really fast moving subject professionally. save moeny for lens loh

 

[raydio]

ppl complain about the 6D AF system. yes, it is a downgraded system from 5Dm3/D600. but do you know that professionals all over the world have been use 5Dmk2 as their workhorse. just want to say 6D AF system is good enough for everyone except u shoot motorsports or really really fast moving subject professionally. save moeny for lens loh

This is so true. Last year, the 5D Mk ii was the 'it' camera. Now its relegated to 'passé'.

Just because newer, more capable cameras have been introduced, doesn't mean that the 5D2 is incapable of taking photos anymore. A quick search for 5D2 photos on Flicker will reveal photos that would challenge even the best of cameras.

Even my 5D classic on servo mode caught some keepers on fast moving subjects. It may not be as capable as newer models in percentage of keepers, but it still produced some fine photos that I treasure to this day.

 

[Halfmoon]

This is so true. Last year, the 5D Mk ii was the 'it' camera. Now its relegated to 'passé'.

Just because newer, more capable cameras have been introduced, doesn't mean that the 5D2 is incapable of taking photos anymore. A quick search for 5D2 photos on Flicker will reveal photos that would challenge even the best of cameras.

Even my 5D classic on servo mode caught some keepers on fast moving subjects. It may not be as capable as newer models in percentage of keepers, but it still produced some fine photos that I treasure to this day.

I was at vivo last evening, and wanted to try the 6D... but due to time constraint and a hogger.... so did not managed to test it......

But when I tried the 5D2 center point, I thought it was quite all right.... Though I am on a 7D, I came from 400D and still using it, and I had to compromised a lot when I was using a 400D and did managed to learn and how to cope with the short coming of the body...... and I am sure the 6D.... should be better than a 5D2, and it should be ok..... but it is me that is not ok now..... as I am tempted........ lol.........

 

[nedy77]

ppl complain about the 6D AF system. yes, it is a downgraded system from 5Dm3/D600. but do you know that professionals all over the world have been use 5Dmk2 as their workhorse. just want to say 6D AF system is good enough for everyone except u shoot motorsports or really really fast moving subject professionally. save moeny for lens loh

Agree.

I don't understand why people keep saying the 5d mark ii focus is slow. I have tried it, and I find the focus good enough for my use

 

[ageha]

Agree.

I don't understand why people keep saying the 5d mark ii focus is slow. I have tried it, and I find the focus good enough for my use

Even my EOS 300 is indistinguishable fast in proper lighting conditions but that doesn't mean it's fast enough in any situation.

 

[roDz]

If its fast enough for the owner..its good enough..

 

[Halfmoon]

If its fast enough for the owner..its good enough..

That's why if you want to buy it, you have to test it out yourself to deem if it is ok for your style....

 

[roDz]

I didnt try out my 5d3 before i buy it..lolZ..juz read reviews..& feedback from forums..but for me..i will wait for 7d2..6d kinda disappoint me abit..need a capable 2nd body but in no hurry..

 

[raydio]

I didnt try out my 5d3 before i buy it..lolZ..juz read reviews..& feedback from forums..but for me..i will wait for 7d2..6d kinda disappoint me abit..need a capable 2nd body but in no hurry..

Ditto for me. If the 7D2 doesn't disappoint, then I may buy it as a backup camera. If not, I may revert back to a Canon 1D Mark IIn. I used to play around with that camera at the Canon Showroom in Hong Kong and I fell in love with it. Prices are now very affordable. It produces a certain 'pop' that I haven't seen in other cameras. You've got to see it to appreciate it.

 

[nitewalk]

Ditto for me. If the 7D2 doesn't disappoint, then I may buy it as a backup camera. If not, I may revert back to a Canon 1D Mark IIn. I used to play around with that camera at the Canon Showroom in Hong Kong and I fell in love with it. Prices are now very affordable. It produces a certain 'pop' that I haven't seen in other cameras. You've got to see it to appreciate it.

If 7D2 doesn't disappoint, i think i may get a 7D1. Hahah. If it is that good, i'm wondering if the price will be higher. 7D1 is already quite capable for most uses.

 

[doodah]

I have 5d mk3 & 3 L lenses. With the introduction of Sony RX1 FF, I 'm not sure whether to keep them or not. I am sure that other household name micro third forth camera will follow suit & improve even further. By then the value of my camera will drop, touch wood. I've tried my daughters nex 7 with fast lens. 'Wow' & light. At 55 just imagine carrying 24-70, 70-200 mk2, 100mm macro & other accessories, you know what I mean. Just my personal opinion. Pardon my bad english.

As pointed out, RX1 is a fixed lens camera. But I agree that m43 and NEX are viable, much-lighter alternatives to DSLRs. The main advantage of FF cameras is the shallow depth of field that can be difficult to reproduce in smaller sensor cameras. FF DSLRs have a huge fan base, so you need not worry excessively about falling value of your camera. Between m43 and NEX, I will definitely go for the former because they offer a wider range of lenses with faster AF. I currently own the OM-D and am waiting for the 6D kit II. Love the OM-D and my former 60D (same size, weight and design as 6D), so I think I shall stick to these cameras for a while.

 

[ricohflex]

RX1 will never replace a good DSLR. RX1 is a fixed lens camera and in that sense, is a dead end. Grossly overpriced.
Though Sony tried to mimic the aura of Leica's expensiveness, it is not the same because Leica has had decades of recognition as the king.
It is a gambit but may backfire, fall flat and in the end hurt Sony very badly.
The marketing concept is generally the same as Rolex watches but for that to succeed, you need a proven track record going back several decades that your product can hold its price and even increase in price over the years.

Both Leica and Rolex have been able to do that.

I don't think the Sony RX1 can achieve that. I am not saying it is a bad camera. It is quite good. But not that good.

 

[amritsg]

RX1 will never replace a good DSLR. RX1 is a fixed lens camera and in that sense, is a dead end. Grossly overpriced.
Though Sony tried to mimic the aura of Leica's expensiveness, it is not the same because Leica has had decades of recognition as the king.
It is a gambit but may backfire, fall flat and in the end hurt Sony very badly.
The marketing concept is generally the same as Rolex watches but for that to succeed, you need a proven track record going back several decades that your product can hold its price and even increase in price over the years.

Both Leica and Rolex have been able to do that.

I don't think the Sony RX1 can achieve that. I am not saying it is a bad camera. It is quite good. But not that good.

1) Sony sensors have proven in recent times to be the best of the bunch with exceptions.
2) it's a compact full frame for putting such a small size sensor in there is pretty good, if not a massive feat
3) I didn't know zeiss did not have a proven track record?

 

[ricohflex]

3) I didn't know zeiss did not have a proven track record?

The camera is named Sony RX1. Not Zeiss RX1. The lens is a Zeiss Sonnar.

Similarly Samsung MV800 has a Schneider Kreuznach lens. The camera is not named Schneider MV800.

Carl Zeiss is a great name in field of lenses.

Unfortunately Sony is not a great name in lenses or cameras. Maybe one day.

The Sony Nex range is a hit. If Sony makes a full frame Nex then that will be the one that establishes Sony's status.
Definitely not the RX1.

In the home television field, Sony used to hold that position. Now seem to be eclipsed by LG and Samsung TVs.
Sony Posts 7th Straight Loss as TV Sales Slump on Economy

 

[amritsg]

So to understand what you are saying, despite the lens being of zeiss origin the whole camera must be named a zeiss camera to be given its increased respect?

It's like saying NEX users who put Leica Glass on their cameras should be disregarded as the camera is still just a Sony.

And again, most of the current age realise that Sony sensors are present everywhere, those who bothered, know. Those who know realise Sony has established its name, new it may be, luxurious it is not yet, but don't undermine it.