Nikon D300 / D3 what effect on Canon?
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There is a flaw in your reasoning.
Cameras are useless without lenses and accessories. I hope you've recognized that.
People cannot afford to buy and sell entire systems without incurring losses. Only those who own 1 or 2 lenses can afford to switch with minimal losses.
The tone you've employed in your posts has been extremely condescending towards everyone. Now, get this into your thick skull: you are not all-knowing or that smart. And stop defending Canon as though you own it.
Kit
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Why is there a need to change system because the newer cameras doesn't provide certain feature (its not like they have it in the older cameras and you've been using them just fine isn't it?)?
Stop pointing fingers at the equipment and start thinking of how to work with what you have. I'm not all knowing but I know enough to make good use of what I have. Do you?
Stop pointing fingers at the equipment and start thinking of how to work with what you have. I'm not all knowing but I know enough to make good use of what I have. Do you?
That's my reasoning to myself as well. I am happy with what I have and I try to make good use of it. And, no, I have no intention of switching or upgrading.
Most of the folks here are just voicing their disappointment in Canon for withholding useful features. And to reiterate, some of these useful features cost nothing to implement. If you don't like to read these negative posts, you don't have to come here to chastise everyone as though you are the only one who knows how to use his gear. Get off that pedestal and stop being so self-righteous.
Your arrogance is unbelievable. Get this straight: you are not the ONLY photographer in this forum and neither are you a photographic god, OK?
Hey, there's really no need to go to this extent right? Cool it guys.
The bottomline is, we all believe that it is not the equipment that makes the photographer, so we shall not feel so frustrated over the issues of being "shortchanged" of features. But on the otherhand, the new feature sets by D300 should "wake" the manufacturers up and reconsider the features that they are going to include for the consumers. So possibly, we shall see better upgrades for future generation prosumer dslr due to much stiffer competitions from Nikon and possibly Sony.
The bottomline is, we all believe that it is not the equipment that makes the photographer, so we shall not feel so frustrated over the issues of being "shortchanged" of features. But on the otherhand, the new feature sets by D300 should "wake" the manufacturers up and reconsider the features that they are going to include for the consumers. So possibly, we shall see better upgrades for future generation prosumer dslr due to much stiffer competitions from Nikon and possibly Sony.
Kit
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The usual greedy(naive) consumer mentality strikes again. Its not going to cost Canon anything to provide the features but think, why did they segregate the market for? If they give you the features you find on the 1D when you are only paying for a 40D, then what's going to happen to 1D. Something that's not "going to cost them anything" would in fact become detrimental. Get it? You want those "useful" features you pay for it. Period. Before you come on give me crap like "you work for Canon"....... for the record, I don't.
And really(to bring this up again)..... why did this bitching party started only after Nikon announced their stuff? Before that, all were singing praises about Canon taking quantum leaps with their new stuff.
Well that's how consumers and manufacturers behave, really. For example, it is known that Nokia uses practically the same cheap set (before, I'm not sure how it is now...), but masks off some functions for lower end models so that they can sell the higher end phones at higher price. This is to protect company interest.
On the other hand, consumers love to complain. Now, who does not like to pay minimum to get the best?
But you are right in the sense. While these features cost nothing to implement, it does cost the company when the sales of the flagship is affected. So from that point of view, it will cost the company a fair bit just to implement some of these features. We are not aware how Nikon will be affected by their implementation at all. Perhaps after this bold move, they may find that the sales for their D3 and D2s affected?
Kit
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Let's get real here. Do you seriously think you can get the best paying the minimal?
Kit
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Oh well... guess just let them bitch on.....
I'm not actually. Think those people are more fustrated than anyone else. Price for being naive I think.
K, guys.. this thread is getting boring..
All I see here is people here want all the best features for the least amount of money.. nothing wrong with that.. however, its not what the business world is about.. you want it.. pay for it. Simple as that. Well, that's what Canon thinks. Nikon plays it different. They made a upturning strategic move and its playing it role playing Canon's mid end users against them. Well done.
Question now is.. what is Canon's next move? Follow suite or reinvent the camera?
All I see here is people here want all the best features for the least amount of money.. nothing wrong with that.. however, its not what the business world is about.. you want it.. pay for it. Simple as that. Well, that's what Canon thinks. Nikon plays it different. They made a upturning strategic move and its playing it role playing Canon's mid end users against them. Well done.
Question now is.. what is Canon's next move? Follow suite or reinvent the camera?
CYRN
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For Nikon strategy to work, Canon users must make noise mah. A lot of noise infact, since Canon is pretty huge with plenty of corporate inertia.
Canon users are also learning from Nikon users... they make a lot of noise every time Canon comes out with something better and look what happen now. Nikon really makes 2 to drool for cams, and superb value for money mid range series which pros will not hesistate to buy it as their backup body.
Yeah guys and gals, we are all on the same side, the camera users, not the camera makers. Unless some of you are working for them....
This debate has been going on for years and years even before I was born to this world. Which is the better camera? Will the new offering from Nikon/Canon affect the other camp? Which is a more "professional" camera? Canon/Nikon camera is far superior than the other camp? These are the questions that created hot debate with each camp having their own loyal supporter.
Every year, new DSLR are being launch by the big two and each out performing the previous models in terms of quality and value. For now, D300 and D3 look very attractive for their price range. Good features and with interesting new innovations.
Being a Canon user, I am very tempted to switch camp but switch camp for every camera launch? Unless I am very rich or I am damn foolish. Changing the entire system unless one has only the kit lens will result in a relative big monetary loss.
Both companies are giants in the DSLR market with both combining to form almost 95% market. They will contine to fight it out with each other for years to come. New features, better AF, better NR so on and so on will benefit us users.
Let's all give credit to Nikon for creating two wonderful camera. There is no point shooting them down however I believe Canon will not be asleep for long. Let's hope competition will bring about better camera in the future.
Every year, new DSLR are being launch by the big two and each out performing the previous models in terms of quality and value. For now, D300 and D3 look very attractive for their price range. Good features and with interesting new innovations.
Being a Canon user, I am very tempted to switch camp but switch camp for every camera launch? Unless I am very rich or I am damn foolish. Changing the entire system unless one has only the kit lens will result in a relative big monetary loss.
Both companies are giants in the DSLR market with both combining to form almost 95% market. They will contine to fight it out with each other for years to come. New features, better AF, better NR so on and so on will benefit us users.
Let's all give credit to Nikon for creating two wonderful camera. There is no point shooting them down however I believe Canon will not be asleep for long. Let's hope competition will bring about better camera in the future.
While the D300 might seem like an interesting mid-range DSLR (at least compared to the 40D), i would be surprised if the Canon pros are at all excited about the D3.
Nikon not too long ago claimed that the DX format is all one needs, ie., there is NO need for FF -- DX is just as good. And now they have to eat their words.
I would have thought Canon users (who can get hold of the 21MP 1Ds Mk III) would have looked at the 12MP D3 with scorn and contempt -- certainly not envy! Indeed, many in the Nikon camp are saying: the D3 is a good start (finally), but let's wait for a higher MP D3x.
Nikon not too long ago claimed that the DX format is all one needs, ie., there is NO need for FF -- DX is just as good. And now they have to eat their words.
I would have thought Canon users (who can get hold of the 21MP 1Ds Mk III) would have looked at the 12MP D3 with scorn and contempt -- certainly not envy! Indeed, many in the Nikon camp are saying: the D3 is a good start (finally), but let's wait for a higher MP D3x.
blue monster
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What I feel is that the D3 addresses the needs of a lot of photographers. Full frame and high FPS. In view of the 5D, 1Dmk3 and 1Dsmk3, Canon seems to be saying " You can have this, but can't have that. You want both, you have to pay." Even with the 1Dsmk3, the fps isn't that all attractive to sports photographers.
Also, I don't that there are many people who wants managable files rather than ultra high resolution. after all, it takes a lot of time to handle the RAW files and I believe many people out there do prints to more than A3 sizes.
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