Nikon D300 / D3 what effect on Canon?

[Kit]

Ayo-yo bro, of coz la, bcoz during that time we have nothing to compare to? You will not know that you have been short changed until there is something to compare to, right?

Say you purchase a 3 room HDB at X dollars and you are happy then suddenly for the same X dollars, your neighbour bought a 4+1 room corner unit. Now only you can start to bitch mah...but before that nothing to compare to, so how to bitch?

No offence, joke only

People are actually bitching about missing out on features that 1D has and not the 40D. That's like asking "where's my private carporch" when you are only living in a 3 room flat. I didn't think this concept was so difficult to grasp but apparently, it was.

 

[Gunbucker]

Delighting You Always*


Apparently some are far easily delighted than others. Nothing wrong with it. Live and let live.

 

[Kit]

Or some people can only be delighted by owning a camera with the latest, rather than be delighted by pictures taken. Making up the inadequacies in skills in photo taking I guess?

 

[Gunbucker]

Or some people can only be delighted by owning a camera with the latest, rather than be delighted by pictures taken. Making up the inadequacies in skills in photo taking I guess?

Hilarious at best.

Owning a camera with the latest? Not delighted by the pictures taken? Inadequacies in skills in photo taking?

Please, tell me more about myself and my work that you seem to know more than I do. You're quite an easily impressionable person aren't you? When was the last time you made a conjecture or an assumption?

This is a gear thread, in a gear sub-forum. People bitch. Deal with it. If you can't stomach what you read, don't read. Is that too difficult to understand? Apparently for some, it is.

 

[mpenza]

Have to understand that there'll always be "equipment fanatics" for hobbies ;p No harm having civil discussion but dun degrade into insults.

Personally, I never felt the need to upgrade beyond my 20D which could satisfy my hobbyist and "semi-pro" needs.

 

[Kit]

Hilarious at best.

Please, tell me more about myself and my work that you seem to know more than I do. You're quite an easily impressionable person aren't you? When was the last time you made a conjecture or an assumption?

If you thought those words described you, then by all means, show your work here.

 

[Kit]

If you can't stomach what you read, don't read.

Repeat those words in front of a mirror, I'm sure you'll be enlightened by your own words too.

 

[Gunbucker]

If you thought those words described you, then by all means, show your work here.

How old are you really?

You do know there's a search function, right? Feel free to look around.

 

[Gunbucker]

If you thought those words described you, then by all means, show your work here.

Actually, you have rather poor English too, don't you. The sentence should read "If you thought those words DIDN'T describe you..."

I apologize for the past few posts, as they were made with assumption I was dealing with someone of a certain literacy.

 

[Kit]

How old are you really?

You do know there's a search function, right? Feel free to look around.

Ohh.... not that "how old are you" thingy again?? Nothing to show?

 

[Kit]

Actually, you rather have poor English, don't you. The sentence should read "If you thought those words DIDN'T describe you..."

Another pastime? Bitching about command of language now?

Actually its correct, if you thought it described you well. Then show something to prove it wrong.

 

[Gunbucker]

Have to understand that there'll always be "equipment fanatics" for hobbies ;p No harm having civil discussion but dun degrade into insults.

Personally, I never felt the need to upgrade beyond my 20D which could satisfy my hobbyist and "semi-pro" needs.

mpenza, once again, my sincere apologies.

As they say, once posts in a thread cease talking about the topic itself, and degrade to targeting the posters, it is in its decay and well past its usefulness.

I shall exit from this thread as many interesting discussions have already been said. Cheers!

 

[Kit]

Actually, you have rather poor English too, don't you. The sentence should read "If you thought those words DIDN'T describe you..."

I apologize for the past few posts, as they were made with assumption I was dealing with someone of a certain literacy.

Really, I sense a cheap and desperate attempt to divert attention once being asked to show "something".

 

[RCheah]

This discussion has inevitably turned into a Canon vs Nikon debate, which is pointless/fruitless/inconclusive/going-nowhere, as it has been for the last 20 years. :bsmilie:

 

[kuoann]

No lah, kit, the 'concept' of market differentiation as defined by Canon we understand only all too well... and it stinks.

We're not expecting a car porch when we pay the price of a flat. We're miffed because our flat has it's storeroom walled-off because we are not 'premium customers'.

Nikon doesn't play this game that hard. The D300 is like a mini D3, and the D80 is like a mini D200 as far as operational features is concerned. Generally the differences relate to physical features that would actually cost more to implement, like weather sealing.

But not so with Canon. They would deliberately leave out cheap (or free) to implement features in their lower end cameras, giving buyers less value.

Up till now, Canon could still get away with it because even their crippled cameras were better than Nikon's offerings. They were a virtual (not real) monopoly.

As for the 'a better camera won't make you a better photographer' comments, I refer you to my earlier posts in this thread.

 

[Kit]

There must be dozens of easily comprehensible concepts that was mentioned here but surprisingly, few seemed to get them.

If you think that this company is not providing you with a product that you thought was value for money, then DON'T BUY IT. That's the strongest message you can possibly send to any manufacturer. Which part of that is so difficult to understand?

 

[Kit]

Up till now, Canon could still get away with it because even their crippled cameras were better than Nikon's offerings. They were a virtual (not real) monopoly.

No, Canon doesn't monopolize the market. You have other choices.

 

[mpenza]

All these companies main objectives are to make profits and each has their own strategy on product differentiation or market segmentation. As shown from Nikon's slides, they were lagging behind in DSLR sales in 2005 and had to play hard to catch up by improving the feature sets of their cameras. When their products are bettering competitors', they might also "slow down" to milk the profits and competitors will leapfrog again.... bottomline is competition is good for the consumers like us

Nikon and Canon have also started to implement features from each other or other manufacturers (e.g. sensor cleaning, live view) and maybe the next "big" feature will be in-camera IS.

 

[RCheah]

The way I see it, Nikon only has 3 DSLR market segments and can't afford to launch as many models as Canon, and with so many years in between successive models, they can afford, and in fact, they would definitely have to include more features into each new models. Cos by the time D400 is out, Canon would probably be launching 60D or something.

Canon has about 4 different DSLR market segments and much shorter times between successive models, so they have to "space out" the launch of the new features. They also have to try harder to differentiate between the 4 market segments, thereby using features to do so.

Both has significantly different product life cycles and market differentiation strategies. So we're not comparing apples to apples here.

 

[An drew]

This discussion has inevitably turned into a Canon vs Nikon debate, which is pointless/fruitless/inconclusive/going-nowhere, as it has been for the last 20 years. :bsmilie:

This is certainly not a Canon vs Nikon thread and hopefully the discussions here have matured beyond that. While it may seem to be going-nowhere now, the initial objective of the TS was to discuss how Nikon's releases and market strategy will impact on Canon's and thus our personal buying strategy and our enjoyment.

The discussion here had paralleled the discussions elsewhere (e.g.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1032&thread=24495375) and here is a response to those who feel that it is about Canon vs Nikon or Nikon vs Canon.

From Priaptor,

"The OP was not posted as a Canon v. Nikon post and why does it have to be. I found the post excellent because I think it makes the point that Nikon, rather than follow the lead, chose to change the direction and not compete directly.

This pervasive Canon screw the customer stuff is absurd. This is called free markets at their best and if all the claims of Nikon's new products prove to be true and effective, they may just change the direction that professional DSLRs take-then again maybe not. But at least they are thinking outside the box and trying to be a trend setter instead of a follower.

The OP is one of the most well thought out posts I have read on this forum in a long time and is not belittling to either Canon or Nikon. Why do you feel it must be?"