Nikon D300 / D3 what effect on Canon?


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I never heard before that any Nikon AF system is better than mk2n...??? Which model ? D2x? D2xs? More than 80% of the sport photographers in the US or European countries r using Canon 1dmk2n before mk3 launch...not sure now though...

Actually, depending on what you're doing, the Nikon AF system is occasionally better than the Canon system. And occasionally also at least as good. A colleague whom I trust and respect immensely recently did the Nikon to Canon switch under pressure from clients, and his feelings are that the AF is more or less the same. He still has his D2x for a variety of reasons including preference for personal shooting. I've been in numerous situations where a sequence of frames will be similarly out of focus with both Nikon and Canon cameras - the basis of both systems is probably remarkably similar; and what messes up one system similarly gives another problems.

As for the percentage of sports photographers; I'm not intimately acquainted with the US state of affairs aside from understanding that they are even more Canon than us in the UK. In the UK I would say that 80% might maybe be a very conservative number; the proportion might be closer to 90%. Amongst the news photographers that do some sport, there is still a good number that still use Nikon, but amongst the dedicated sports snappers there are very few that remain.

That said, the D3 is making waves already despite not being available commercially yet. Snappers who have been to Osaka are impressed (Canon users), and back home in the UK for example Dan Chung was writing that he was impressed enough to have a couple on order; and he's been Canon for ages. Balance all this with the fact that that Mk III is having problems (took it out of the box, tried it out, it's been in the box for the last four weeks being one response I got), and who knows.

Too many agencies and photographers have a LOT invested in Canon for there to be a monumental change in the industry, so I doubt a lot will happen in the short term. What it does mean is that for someone like me as a Nikon user, I can now compete on a level footing when the days get shorter and we have to shoot under (usually dismal) lights.
 

Actually, depending on what you're doing, the Nikon AF system is occasionally better than the Canon system. And occasionally also at least as good. A colleague whom I trust and respect immensely recently did the Nikon to Canon switch under pressure from clients, and his feelings are that the AF is more or less the same. He still has his D2x for a variety of reasons including preference for personal shooting. I've been in numerous situations where a sequence of frames will be similarly out of focus with both Nikon and Canon cameras - the basis of both systems is probably remarkably similar; and what messes up one system similarly gives another problems.

As for the percentage of sports photographers; I'm not intimately acquainted with the US state of affairs aside from understanding that they are even more Canon than us in the UK. In the UK I would say that 80% might maybe be a very conservative number; the proportion might be closer to 90%. Amongst the news photographers that do some sport, there is still a good number that still use Nikon, but amongst the dedicated sports snappers there are very few that remain.

That said, the D3 is making waves already despite not being available commercially yet. Snappers who have been to Osaka are impressed (Canon users), and back home in the UK for example Dan Chung was writing that he was impressed enough to have a couple on order; and he's been Canon for ages. Balance all this with the fact that that Mk III is having problems (took it out of the box, tried it out, it's been in the box for the last four weeks being one response I got), and who knows.

Too many agencies and photographers have a LOT invested in Canon for there to be a monumental change in the industry, so I doubt a lot will happen in the short term. What it does mean is that for someone like me as a Nikon user, I can now compete on a level footing when the days get shorter and we have to shoot under (usually dismal) lights.


You can see that Nikon D3 offering with the new lenses releases are targeted mainly at sports, I believe they are hoping to get a bigger share of the pie in the coming olympics. They might follow Canon strategy of "sponsorship", agencies will be the one to have a picking.
 

do u know that most of the pros out there are probably busy doing their work or lazy to get involved in this blabber of canon vs nikon vs etc etc...

like they say, the picture matters

u can use a PnS to get the shot, good for u, if u feel "shioK" wif a DSLR, get one, if u think that u can get more and better pictures wif the flagship cams, get it... go shoot and haave fun! hahas

the specs are shown, the pictures as evidence of their worthiness, go get wat u want or wat suits u, no point arguing over who's better, almost all the info u need is readily available, the only thing we all need is $$$, hehes :bsmilie: i hope the sg govt sees this! hahas

really, it will probably be a cycle, maybe canon vs the medium format cameras esp wif their upcoming 22megapix cam? then nikon will come in a about a decade and we probably have this discussion again :dunno:
 

Haha. Since this is a forum, if people enjoy and feel "shiok" arguing, then good for them.

And since not everyone one is a pro and out busy shooting, they can only sit in their office and surf clubsnap.

And those who see no point arguing should just take their own advice and go out for a shoot and look at their pictures instead of posting here telling people there is no point posting their arguments.

This is a forum, we use dialectic and the Socratic method to seek the truths about our cameras, photography and brands and to further our hobby or livelihood or even just to talk ****. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectics
 

wah liew, dragging out a dead horse and whipping it again.
 

ah yes.. forums are where the market place of ideas thrives..
 

true true, w/o forums we would not be able to waste time in office and pretend we are actually doing work like replying e-mails.... hahas

arguing also prevents alzheimers' disease! :sweat:

continue arguing ladies and gents!
 

Vincent Thian (the AP photog) is a Nikon shooter. Oh the drama.

really? AP switches to Canon completely like 3-4 years back.

That pix was taken in Athens back in 2004, if I remember right he already switched from his 1D to the MK II then.
 

true true, w/o forums we would not be able to waste time in office and pretend we are actually doing work like replying e-mails.... hahas

heheh, I suppose if there are no such forums, productivity will rise, but consumers and hobbyists will suffer for the lack of info. :)
 

coz nikon dont see the point for FF yet mah. cost effectiveness not that yet for effective productivity. so now with the D3 and D300 whose specs just simply walloped the 40D and gives Canon a reason to fear. Canon have to come up with a new camera to challenge back rite? so the whole cycle will just keep on going.

as for the 40D, prices have been dropping since it came out at the Comex show.

Rite, Canon have to come up with a new, and hopefully great, FF camera to challenge back.

From a camera feature point of view, do you think Canon will follow Nikon's lead in allowing their future FF cams to take EFS lenses? It may however not be possible with existing EFS lens as their rear elements are set so far back. It will also be going against Canon's market segmentation strategy.
 

Better make a more reliable shutter/mirror assembly too instead of just using glue. :sweat:

They really have to beat the features set of D300, especially note that D300 is using the same AF as D3. And if that AF trounces Canon, it's one hell of a coup as Canon stronghold have been sports where AF is critical. Adding salt to the wound would be the recent fiasco of 1Dm3 AF problems.


a colleague of mine recently read a article from "rangfinder"
" the MKIII is seriously very FAST, But can they keep in Focus" ;)
 

It is virtually impossible that Canon cannot produce cameras to match the capabilities and price of D3 and D300, both of which are looking to be fantastic tools for the pros and semi-pros. It is just that Canon has been doing their best to squeeze the profit-margin by marginal upgrades to the cameras.

Now, with the 40D, they're obviously trying to side-step direct competition by targeting a slightly different price bracket. This is somewhat frustrating to the working pros and semi-pros. Not to say that the 20D doesn't take good pictures, or the 30D. But when we write off cameras and get new ones, it's kind of frustrating that when we get the latest and greatest, it's somewhat better, definitely good enough, but could be better.

As a Canon user and working photographer, I envy, and in fact celebrate the release of the D3 and the D300. Only then does Canon have the motivation to keep making substantive improvements. Oh well, just a rant. A camera is a camera. I could do what I want to do with what I have. Just wishing I would get more, even if I don't use it, haha. And this is gear-head talk anyway.
 

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