Leica M10 to be Announced?

[Fudgecakes]

Curious, how does the sensor on the M9 compare with that on an Epson where noise is concerned?

Noise? On the Epson? Haha it has little to no noise. Absolutely usable at ISO 1600.
On the other hand, I heard of people who refuse to use the M8 at over ISO 400 and the M9 over ISO 800

 

[Fudgecakes]

Hmm...M E is M9 repackage...so image quality is the same? No high ISO image improvement?

As for the new M...with CMOS sensor...has anyone seen the image from this camera to share?

And the price also.... Haha

 

[agawads]

Noise? On the Epson? Haha it has little to no noise. Absolutely usable at ISO 1600.
On the other hand, I heard of people who refuse to use the M8 at over ISO 400 and the M9 over ISO 800

agree. R-D1 at ISO1,600 def usable. I have a R-D1xG!!!

 

[newghost]

wow lau, damn OT, from M10 to RD1...

 

[agawads]

wow lau, damn OT, from M10 to RD1...

Lolx... :bsmilie:

 

[Fudgecakes]

Lolx... :bsmilie:

RF forum mah haha xD

 

[zixaw]

New Leica M goes up to ISO 6400 I think, not sure how usable it will be.

 

[alantcs2010]

It is using Sony sensor full frame. It should be as good or better than those cameras like NEX5 or 7. This means that the ISO performance can be really good.

 

[tonyep]

It is using Sony sensor full frame. It should be as good or better than those cameras like NEX5 or 7. This means that the ISO performance can be really good.

It's using Cmosis, not Sony.

 

[zixaw]

It is using Sony sensor full frame. It should be as good or better than those cameras like NEX5 or 7. This means that the ISO performance can be really good.

The new Leica M does not use a Sony sensor. It uses a customized sensor from a Belgium company called CMOSIS and it is manufactured in France.

 

[aomoon]

i will only consider the Leica M10 if the it be can pushed and useable at ISO3200 in low light and compare how's the signal to noise look like.
Else, it will be useless for me to shoot it performance/event venue

There is be very little reason to go beyond the Summarit range if ISO3200 is useable.
Cron & Lux will be specialty lens.

 

[Thoth]

i will only consider the Leica M10 if the it be can pushed and useable at ISO3200 in low light and compare how's the signal to noise look like.
Else, it will be useless for me to shoot it performance/event venue

There is be very little reason to go beyond the Summarit range if ISO3200 is useable.
Cron & Lux will be specialty lens.

Could u elaborate why Cron & Lux will be specialty lenses?

 

[NazgulKing]

Could u elaborate why Cron & Lux will be specialty lenses?

From a practical and cost of view, it is pretty hard to focus a 50/1,4 lens wide open and at the same time you have to fork out quite a huge chunk of money. In addition, the f2 and f2.5 lenses outperform the f1.4 lens at the same aperture.

So if the camera can provide clean ISO1600 and ISO3200 which the other CMOS FF cameras can provide, it might not be worth the extra buck to purchase a f1.4 lens when one can get better performance from f2 and f2.5 lenses. I personally think f2 lenses will still be useful though, especially for that extra half stop.

 

[ageha]

From a practical and cost of view, it is pretty hard to focus a 50/1,4 lens wide open and at the same time you have to fork out quite a huge chunk of money. In addition, the f2 and f2.5 lenses outperform the f1.4 lens at the same aperture.

So if the camera can provide clean ISO1600 and ISO3200 which the other CMOS FF cameras can provide, it might not be worth the extra buck to purchase a f1.4 lens when one can get better performance from f2 and f2.5 lenses. I personally think f2 lenses will still be useful though, especially for that extra half stop.

I don't think it's hard to manual focus at F1.4 and ISO 1600 and 3200 simply don't show that much detail as lower sensitivities.

 

[NazgulKing]

I don't think it's hard to manual focus at F1.4 and ISO 1600 and 3200 simply don't show that much detail as lower sensitivities.

If your RF is properly calibrated it should be fine. If it isn't, or you have a notorious focus shifter like the Sonnar 50/1.5, that's a different story. :bsmilie:

 

[alantcs2010]

Since it is not using Sony sensor. We may have to wait and see the review of the real camera. The iso must really improve to justify the upgrade.

 

[NazgulKing]

Since it is not using Sony sensor. We may have to wait and see the review of the real camera. The iso must really improve to justify the upgrade.

I think the price would have to come down a few thousand to even justify anything.

 

[Riotbmx]

From a practical and cost of view, it is pretty hard to focus a 50/1,4 lens wide open and at the same time you have to fork out quite a huge chunk of money. In addition, the f2 and f2.5 lenses outperform the f1.4 lens at the same aperture.

So if the camera can provide clean ISO1600 and ISO3200 which the other CMOS FF cameras can provide, it might not be worth the extra buck to purchase a f1.4 lens when one can get better performance from f2 and f2.5 lenses. I personally think f2 lenses will still be useful though, especially for that extra half stop.

I share the same thought too. Used to think faster lens=better, had since switched from a 50/f1.4 to a 50/f2 on my SLR. But then again, for film user they might need that extra speed. My friend Chris Weeks has some amazing works in low light using slow films, don't think he would be able to do it without his 30'lux and 50'nocti With digital it's a totally different story

Photo Chris Weeks, Agfa APX25

 

[newghost]

"It's the old joke about what's an entry-level Porsche? A used Porsche is an entry-level Porsche"

Q&A with Leica’s Justin Stailey: How the new Leica M and S may be the Porsches of enthusiast digital cameras - Imaging Resource

 

[felicidade1]

The Summilux 35 and 50 have their unique look shot wide opened- IMHO it's worth the extra cash. If you don't need or don't like that "lux" look- then a Summicron is a great lens- sharper at f2 but not as "dreamy" as the Lux.