EOS 5D Mk2 - Destined Evolution Revealed!


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I believed you have frenz holding on to those PnS which have video function. How many videos are there in their collections? Did they make a clip out of it? And is it alot? How many times they view it before deleting it away? Or maybe forgotten about it after storing somewhere in their HDD.

Is the S2 IS considered a point and shoot? I will normally take video clips of places I have photographed. It gives my family and friends a different view of the places I have visited. You cannot hear the sounds of the waves crashing on the shore in a photo. I once took about 3 GB of total video on a five day trip. Should be about 20 min total, each clip must have been about 10 seconds max. Having this ability in a dSLR is definitely a plus point.


Would I consider purchasing the 5D Mk II if it DID NOT have video? YES!


Would I moan and wring my hands about the 5D Mk II since it does have video? NO!


I cannot wait to play HD videos from my camera on my HD TV.
 

the video really shows mad DOF all around. I do not know much about video camcorders, but I don't think even the professional grade recorders allows such versatility with lenses?

I'm truly blown away by the video. From total fluid motion, to the DOF, to the accuracy of light metering as it shifts through the city's landscape.

Bravo.
 

One word - amazing. Whoever "tossed" in the towel for Canon by writing them off early after Nikon put forth the D300 + D700 will have to eat their words now.

More importantly, I'd like to see it's High ISO noise performance and the dynamic range of the sensor. :)
 

One word - amazing. Whoever "tossed" in the towel for Canon by writing them off early after Nikon put forth the D300 + D700 will have to eat their words now.

More importantly, I'd like to see it's High ISO noise performance and the dynamic range of the sensor. :)

All these new cameras still lack the auto-compose feature I need.

There's some samples you can look at on dpreview (eg http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/photo.aspx?gallery=canoneos5dmkii_preview&photo=33 ) at ISO3200 oo
 

Hi guys, shared something in money making point of view (on using 5D2)

1) Photography
I can offer my clients shooting varieties. If a clients asked me, are you able to shoot and print into a wall size picture? And with details? First impression, I am thinking they are expecting me to use medium format camera to take the picture using high megapixels and good color dynamic range.

Of course, owning a MF is an expensive system (range $30k - $100K), but most of us are unable to afford it. Another way is to interpolate the pictures with low megapixels step by step to a bigger size, but this way could also stress the details of the pictures. With 21 megapixel, one of the higher pixels in the DSLR and the entery level to MF, I could say the turn out of the picture in wall size is good and at 14 bits. The resources used are afforable as compared to MF and more varieties can be offered in choice of lens and equipment. I can quote my clients at a relax price which they can be smiling.

For events and sports, I can just switch to the lower sRAWs. Of course, you may think 3.9 fps and AI forcusings are not strong enough to meet these needs. I can assured you they are sufficient, once you know what and how to take, one or two frames should be good enough. A bit of practice will do.

I do owned a MK3, but I limit my frames per second to 3 and also using one shot or maybe sometime AI servo to assist. Friends who know me, know I can take action in sniping mode. :bsmilie:...but to achieve this I had practiced hard, like the pictures I took in F1 sepang which some of the panning shots were taken using 5D one shot.

2) Videography
We can't escape the fact that video mode included in the DSLR. The customer's expectation are getting higher. They want this and that, but in an affortable price. This will cause me to rethink the way how to stragized my package to them.

Take photojournalism as an example. You will always see photographers paired up with videographers for every news. The personal of interest will have to squeeze through them.....ending? :sweat:. With video mode built into the DSLR, we only need one man show and also cut down the resources to send bunch of people to cover the news.

Of course, the person who is covering this had to learn certain video knowledge. But treat this as an additional knowledge. Learning more things are for own beneficial and advantage. As least for me, I have to start reading and practice videography.

Combined with wireless, the news can be transmitted faster to broadcast station through higher broadband in future. And cut short in travel time and transportation allowance, which due to oil price increase. The news broadcasting will be more efficient.

3) Photography + Videography
This is always my favourite. I am thinking how to package these together for my clients. Hey, why not combined them into presentation CD. Using current capable editing software, We can combined the pictures with videos into presentation media. Another way to attract customers, good for those in the wedding and corporate industries. Or maybe advertising.

Product presentation in the web will be more colorful, with pictures of the product in one side and video in the other. No need to take top, down, left and right of the product, but represent it in video form. It will be another main source of attractions.


Finally, you may asked, how much to build such system for a start. I say less than $10k, with one 5D2 + high end system + good editing software.

These are my views on using 5D2 to attract customers. Cheers!
Apologies on my gammars and spellings....I only got a C5 in my English. :embrass:
 

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Well said Phoakm, I am guessing now some in Nikon camp may start to peer over and consider if they should switch camp... :) Well, the bad news is, with such potential high demand for 5D2, I may have to wait longer to get my hand on one.

Oh, and by the way, I got C7 in my English... so yours is superb.
 

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Well said Phoakm, I am guessing now some in Nikon camp may start to peer over and consider if they should switch camp... :) Well, the bad news is, with such potential high demand for 5D2, I may have to wait longer to get my hand on one.

Oh, and by the way, I got C7 in my English... so yours is superb.

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An average joe would not know what is it like to have the ability to shoot 1080p H.264 video.

An average joe would not know what is it like to have the ability to shoot with such crazy amount of DOF

An average joe would not know that the only HD CAM out there that has the ability to shoot with such amount of DOF is Panasonic P2 which cost 40K just for the body alone

An average joe would not understand how come why only P2 can do that and why Canon XL H1 professional camcorder series can't.

An average joe would be puzzled that since this 5DII has this ability but yet so cheap and why panasonic P2 cost a bomb.

An average joe would not know how it is like to shoot 1080p H.264 video and be able to mount or carry around with such ease because of such a small body

An average joe would not know that this is a full frame 35mm sensor capturing 1080p H.264 video while the average HD cam only has a tiny sensor.

So an average joe would not understand what it like to have such crazy DOF on 1080p H.264 video as the average HD cam with its tiny sensor has zero DOF

THUS an average joe would compares this to a regular HD cam because he does not understand video at all

and so an average joe would rather spend money to buy the average consumer grade HD cam over this 5DMK2 as he would think this is just a trend and a gimmick.

and ultimately an average joe would definitely not feel that this is an evolution as he does not understand not only canon is creating such a powerful tool that captures amazing 1080p H.264 video with crazy DOF and also has the ability to switch lens from a wide range of professional lens lineup (which used to be only be achieved by $XX,XXX equipment), it is also bridging the gap between photograph and video media.

All this, and we have not yet touch on its photograph ability yet


So would u recommend it to people who wanna take HD 1080p H.264 to buy this 5D mk II for now?

If so... I think canon can rename it as 5D mk II HD video recorder with camera function(In-built!). Sounds good?


You are looking at the standards of which 1080p & H.264 brings. I may not be very good this these standards but it suppose to be clearer and more define than usual video recorder. Especially it is shown on your expensive plasma or Full HD LCD.

Now, there are 2 camps here, the video & the camera side. At the point of camera, it is indeed not much improvement from the mk I. From the video point of view, since Canon is able to produce such an impressive '1080p H.264' (u call it) at such an 'affordable' price, very soon you will see Canon mass producing cheap HD 1080p H.264 camcorder. Sounds logical?

Hazmee, it doesnt bother what average Joe being attracted to such standards & hype about. It depends on what u r looking for in a DSLR. From the trend since the start of video recorder & digital camera. There has not yet been shown that a video recorder can take better pictures that a digital cam & a digital cam can take good video than a video recorder. Glad that you have ur little bruther supporter that helped to u type. Good boy!


As someone mentioned there are so many average Joe's indeed. (for those who stick to the technical standards & decided that they want one)

U can argue until the cows come home & yet not knowing what u need. I onie know that the attracting factors are the Sensor dust remover, Full Frame sensor & better LCD monitor. Video? Nope.

Signing off,
Average Crab...:sweat:
 

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i wonder if canon would introduce video lights into its evolution :think:

One of the advantage of 5DII is the the low light capabilities, so make video light redundant ! If you really need a video light, I think you need a proper video cam.
 

So would u recommend it to people who wanna take HD 1080p H.264 to buy this 5D mk II for now?

If so... I think canon can rename it as 5D mk II HD video recorder with camera function(In-built!). Sounds good?


You are looking at the standards of which 1080p & H.264 brings. I may not be very good this these standards but it suppose to be clearer and more define than usual video recorder. Especially it is shown on your expensive plasma or Full HD LCD.

Now, there are 2 camps here, the video & the camera side. At the point of camera, it is indeed not much improvement from the mk I. From the video point of view, since Canon is able to produce such an impressive '1080p H.264' (u call it) at such an 'affordable' price, very soon you will see Canon mass producing cheap HD 1080p H.264 camcorder. Sounds logical?

Hazmee, it doesnt bother what average Joe being attracted to such standards & hype about. It depends on what u r looking for in a DSLR. From the trend since the start of video recorder & digital camera. There has not yet been shown that a video recorder can take better pictures that a digital cam & a digital cam can take good video than a video recorder. Glad that you have ur little bruther supporter that helped to u type. Good boy!


As someone mentioned there are so many average Joe's indeed. (for those who stick to the technical standards & decided that they want one)

U can argue until the cows come home & yet not knowing what u need. I onie know that the attracting factors are the Sensor dust remover, Full Frame sensor & better LCD monitor. Video? Nope.

Signing off,
Average Crab...:sweat:

Well all I can say is that you should seriously stop talking anything about video. Because you seriously have no idea what you are talking about and have no sense of what is going on, so please stop pumping the shotgun blindfolded. :sweat:

On the other hand about photography, if you are a professional, and you seriously know what you want, you will truly understands all the improvement the MK2 has over the MK1 is very essential. Else you will be just very disappointed with MK2. :rolleyes:
 

Well all I can say is that you should seriously stop talking anything about video. Because you seriously have no idea what you are talking about and have no sense of what is going on, so please stop pumping the shotgun blindfolded. :sweat:

On the other hand about photography, if you are a professional, and you seriously know what you want, you will truly understands all the improvement the MK2 has over the MK1 is very essential. Else you will be just very disappointed with MK2. :rolleyes:
that being said, I'm really disappointed with the lack of change of AF points. That was the one thing I was so looking forward to. :\
 

that being said, I'm really disappointed with the lack of change of AF points. That was the one thing I was so looking forward to. :\
How many AF points do you need man??? ;p If you wanted more go for the 1D Mark III la. Problem settled.
 

Dear Crabby, I advise you wait for the 5D Mark X. It is codenamed Project Moist Dream Evolution, specially catered for people who are disappointed with the previous version. Release date is not confirmed yet due to subprime and credit crisis. LOL!!!
 

i feel that image stabilisation is essential for handheld hd video, this is from my experience of using the canon hf100. The Hf100's image stabilisation is really good.

for video, high shutter speed doesn't prevent shaky video :)
 

I'm amazed that the 5DMKII stunned the pros who've tested it including a National Geographic commissioned photographer like Laforet claiming it's like no other camera in the market, yet it's not good enough for weekend warriors who take snapshots around the city or their backyards constantly calling the MKII as "disappointment" LOL!

That's just hysterical.
 

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obviously this shows that we're more pro then the pros lor :P

or maybe it's a bit harder to shell out hard earned cash for us.
 

How many AF points do you need man??? ;p If you wanted more go for the 1D Mark III la. Problem settled.
i don't mind 9 af points, but at least a little more invisible points to aid in tracking across all 9 points? lol.

I would love the 1ds mk3, but do you have spare cash to spare me?? lol =D
 

I'm amazed that the 5DMKII stunned the pros who've tested it including a National Geographic commissioned photographer like Laforet claiming it's like no other camera in the market, yet it's not good enough for weekend warriors who take snapshots around the city or their backyards constantly calling the MKII as "disappointment" LOL!

That's just hysterical.

hahaa.. good one...
 

all you need is one af point...

indeed.. but some lazy bums like me who happens to be weekend warrior too, an intelligent focus point which moves with the movement of my retina will help..

oh no not again.. I can't ever forget the ECF thing..
 

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