Should the Judge be Strict to Juvenile delinguent
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Sorry for my poor English... I went thru the dictionary, which meaning are you referring to?
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just incase u wanna know the consequences.
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just incase u wanna know the consequences.
the parent who does that is ill-advised, at best, and can be charged with contempt of court. accord the judge her proper respect in court, and if there is any grievance with the judge's conduct or ruling, take it to the appellate court.
yes we do, and they can be found here
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63921
this thread is dangerously close to being locked and/or infractions given, please behave
it's this over-inflated sense of self-entitlement
a la
the world is our oyster, we will just rip the pearls out of it
on another note, it is not just kids, if you haven't noticed :nono: a lot of adults also do the same thing, despite having no credibility or credentials, they like to dish out misleading advice with the promise that it will be useful. and then they act pompously, like the world owes them a living; fact is, the world might even be better off without the existence of such people :bsmilie:
if anything, i would think that at the very least, a judge is not selected by picking a lottery number or playing bingo - there is much more credibility to what he or she has to say, when it comes to morality; after all, the legal system was founded based on morality, among other things (like ensuring equal rights).. and if our ultimate executors of the law are told to shut up on moral values or behaviour of someone being presented in court.. then i would think it is a sad day indeed.
It is obvious that we need rules and regulations to run a place so we select individuals to be moderater as like Clubsnap does. You allow them to make judgement!
The judges are selected as just quoted by night86mare, don't you think you we should respect the judges' decision and action. They are all done in good faith!
We are looking at the Singapore's judicial system and it is not fair that we make sweeping statements to critise them in general. I stand up for the Singapore judicial system and on all the decisions and actions made by our judges.
Also we are looking at human being and not 'GOD' and if God can help then we do not need the judges.
The orignal intention of the thread is to look at the understanding of the general public on juvenile delinguent. But sad to say some took the opportunity the critise the judicial system. If that is the case, we should close the thread.
I started the thread and was told to behave. I have the privilege to close it but I leave it to the moderator to decide.
Well, society requires law and order, else there would be chaos. You can certainly have dreams and can go about to reach your dreams, but do it at the expense of others? I don't think so. The process is just as important as the ends. The ends do not justify the means, especially if it means someone else will get hurt.
Although you do have to be responsible for your actions, there are other factors involved like environment, social, cultural, etc, which affects how a so-called "social delinquent" behaved. When making judgement, it certainly is necessary to take these factors into account.
It would certainly be easy to sit behind a computer and make general irresponsible comments about everything. Its not so simple when you are sitting there on the judgement seat weighing the consequences of your decision on the person involved and on society.
We all know 2 and 3 yr old pitch-fit and throw tantrums to get what they want. Problem with some people is that they never grow out of it....:bsmilie:
back to the topic then; you ask if the judge should be strict to juvenile delinquents - i was a little puzzled as to what you meant;
are you talking about their judgements, or are you talking about the chiding in court?
for the second, i have already mentioned that they would actually have every right to; just like the moderators' primary function is to lock threads and award red cards, etc.. but they are also more than entitled to pass comments on any member's behaviour here.. and until their own actions have come to pass such that they seem to lack the moral authority (not seen yet in clubsnap), then there should not be any issue.
for the first, then based on most cases, it does seem as if juvenile delinquants are usually given the shorter end of the stick, which is also justifiable especially if it is their first time - like it or not, you couldn't expect a 16 year old to be as mature as a full-fledged adult, and therefore, some form of "responsibility for his actions" is lessened, though i am not sure where it flows to.
certainly, age has no direct link with maturity - we only need to look around us to see many fine examples, even in this thread alone.. but i think in most cases, the law has to give the benefit of the doubt unless they have sufficient evidence to think otherwise.
Sorry for not making myself clear!
Just to share, I have the privilege to attend some of the hearings, some of the juveniles went in slipper, multi-coloured hair and when the judge spoke to them, they showed no respect.
And also when they are brought to face the judge, they would have committed a string of other serious offences including and most often beyond parental control.
Just an illustration, for a shoplifting offence, an adult can be brought to the court the next day whereas for a juvenile, the police, the school, MOE HQ, the parents, self-help group, MCYS and the police will be involved. Most of the time, they do not go to the court but they are often given warning by the authority.
Just to share, I have the privilege to attend some of the hearings, some of the juveniles went in slipper, multi-coloured hair and when the judge spoke to them, they showed no respect.
And also when they are brought to face the judge, they would have committed a string of other serious offences including and most often beyond parental control.
Just an illustration, for a shoplifting offence, an adult can be brought to the court the next day whereas for a juvenile, the police, the school, MOE HQ, the parents, self-help group, MCYS and the police will be involved. Most of the time, they do not go to the court but they are often given warning by the authority.
Just to add. Often parents regret after the reporting BPC. They felt that they had done a disfavour to their children forgetting that they were the one who needs help because they could control their children.
When the parents, the first time, made the application, they would be advised by the authority to reconsider and find other means to help the child.
For your info, the Family Court, at Havelock Road, will hear such application on every Friday's afternoon.
Seriously, to these kids? Warning?
Send them straight away to RTC.
But my hope of closing Boys/Girls Town and renaming RTC as Juvenile Maximum Security Reformative Prison as well as lowering the age eligiblity (currently at 21) for any court to sentence a Juvenile to death/life imprisonment due to manslaughter/murder still remains high.
Lets hope it just happens.
I'm sad to read about this case. I wonder what went wrong in bringing up this kid until he's "beyond parental control".
I, like many others came from a dysfunctional family, ie poor, 5 kids, broken marriage parents but able to distinguish between right and wrong. Values instil then by my mum really helps.
Having my own kids now in primary school, they definitely have a better life than me, so are many children nowadays. I still wonder why there are many of such kids nowadays. Personally, I've yet to cane my children for their misdeeds but use the western approach of communication. That works, but not to the extent of caning which I and my bros got when we were young ;p. I myself won't know if it works, time will tell.
Coming from my era in the 70's many would turn wayward due to large families with low income parents, non-importance to formal education and etc..
Now in the 21st century, where both parents are working and many will stop at 2, what's the beef with these people?:think: I'd say the boy deserve what he got. Send him to RTC.
I, like many others came from a dysfunctional family, ie poor, 5 kids, broken marriage parents but able to distinguish between right and wrong. Values instil then by my mum really helps.
Having my own kids now in primary school, they definitely have a better life than me, so are many children nowadays. I still wonder why there are many of such kids nowadays. Personally, I've yet to cane my children for their misdeeds but use the western approach of communication. That works, but not to the extent of caning which I and my bros got when we were young ;p. I myself won't know if it works, time will tell.
Coming from my era in the 70's many would turn wayward due to large families with low income parents, non-importance to formal education and etc..
Now in the 21st century, where both parents are working and many will stop at 2, what's the beef with these people?:think: I'd say the boy deserve what he got. Send him to RTC.
In the first place, the parent should be strict to their kids, if the kids really went out of control, personally felt that the judge have every rights to be strict.
In my days, canning by teachers and parents was a very common thing, although i disagree that we should go back to that way, but some basic discipline should be drilled into them.
Maybe i'm from the old school..... if they CIM, sent them to RTC.
In my days, canning by teachers and parents was a very common thing, although i disagree that we should go back to that way, but some basic discipline should be drilled into them.
Maybe i'm from the old school..... if they CIM, sent them to RTC.
U are right. Parents are the main culprits as the kid will emulate the adult and parents are the main figure. If the parents smoked(my apology to smokers), the kid will pick up the habit too!
I had known of friends who gave up good paying job and smoking for the sake of their children. Will clubsnap's smokers do likewise?
Just give-up smoking!
my parents don't smoke, but i do
my parents drink alcohol but i don't
so your theory is flawed
it should be "would likely" instead of "will"
U are right and I agreed with you. There is always a % who would not or may not fall within the window.
I was once a smoker but not now. Still feel good to have the cigarette between the fingers but manage to ...
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