Should photographers accept models with defects?
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Del_CtrlnoAlt
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u all the while damn bad 1 wat... since when u take these into consideration? :sweat:
that's fine, if model has what it takes to command a fee.
I second ur exact sentiments.... I think this is a serious enough matter for forum discussion in every aspect... if organizers are serious enough to be making $$ from organizing shoots, I think consumers, and forum-readers should be entitled to air their thoughts.
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Make a bit of profit I think ok. They got pay subscription fee to run this forum.. Must thank them.
Sion
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Del_CtrlnoAlt
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Make a bit of profit I think ok. They got pay subscription fee to run this forum.. Must thank them.
siao... abit of profit might as well dun do...
just tot of a song for organisers... since got defects sure got returns...
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Del_CtrlnoAlt
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nebermind... also not for u 1...
$30 already very cheap liao, how to give discount? :dunno:Should ask organizers for discount mah.
if you sion come and join the shoot, will specially throw in a auntie model just for you.
Should ask organizers for discount mah.
$30 really very cheap le... any cheaper, the models really poor thing, not even enough for them to take taxi to and fro. I think the overall focus shld really be to improve on the quality aspect.
A bit better than nothing mah. At least, we don't have to go the way of furex membership.
** So guilty, I ony came here to see XMM but didn't contribution any $$ **
This song is not about a busy road? Too many cars, very difficult to cross.
Beauty and defects are so subjective
I trust that we all shoot with an eye to improving our craft .... and if your photography depends on a pretty perfect-everything to hold up your image..... then you have failed and learned nothing except bask in self-deluding praise.
Law of natural selection will weed out the organizers who put together sloppy jobs so I dont really see the point of commoditizing 'beauty'.....
What they throw at you..... you better work hard to earn those 'oohs' and 'aahs' .... $30 is your tuition fee... organizer gets profit to provide the subject, get the props and environment ready ..... its not your bribe to get an easy target...
I quote a Rant below from friend Brian from several years back which I have permission to use:
"People say 'beautiful', but it's not because the photograph is well-executed or has any creative or artistic value but because the subject itself is beautiful.
In otherwords, take a snapshot of any sunset anywhere in the world and no one will say 'this is such crap' because sunsets are beautiful. If a person is even slightly technically competent or is using a camera in 'P' mode then this kind of picture is simple to get and doesn't hurt the photogs face to show friends or post for critique (unless there are honest *ssh*les like Ted & I around )."
The real danger is that the photographer will actually belive that the photograph itself is beautiful, not the subject. Then he/she will cease the learning process...and spend the rest of their lives in the safe 'zone' that they've established churning out nothing but crappy images of beautiful subjects.
The ones that know the difference between a beautifully executed photograph and a beautiful subject are the ones that excel. The others continue to produce eye candy and get offended if anything poor is said about the image as if you are insulting the beauty of sunset, or the bug, or the flower itself and not their image of it"
I trust that we all shoot with an eye to improving our craft .... and if your photography depends on a pretty perfect-everything to hold up your image..... then you have failed and learned nothing except bask in self-deluding praise.
Law of natural selection will weed out the organizers who put together sloppy jobs so I dont really see the point of commoditizing 'beauty'.....
What they throw at you..... you better work hard to earn those 'oohs' and 'aahs' .... $30 is your tuition fee... organizer gets profit to provide the subject, get the props and environment ready ..... its not your bribe to get an easy target...
I quote a Rant below from friend Brian from several years back which I have permission to use:
"People say 'beautiful', but it's not because the photograph is well-executed or has any creative or artistic value but because the subject itself is beautiful.
In otherwords, take a snapshot of any sunset anywhere in the world and no one will say 'this is such crap' because sunsets are beautiful. If a person is even slightly technically competent or is using a camera in 'P' mode then this kind of picture is simple to get and doesn't hurt the photogs face to show friends or post for critique (unless there are honest *ssh*les like Ted & I around )."
The real danger is that the photographer will actually belive that the photograph itself is beautiful, not the subject. Then he/she will cease the learning process...and spend the rest of their lives in the safe 'zone' that they've established churning out nothing but crappy images of beautiful subjects.
The ones that know the difference between a beautifully executed photograph and a beautiful subject are the ones that excel. The others continue to produce eye candy and get offended if anything poor is said about the image as if you are insulting the beauty of sunset, or the bug, or the flower itself and not their image of it"
Saw this in another thread.. might as well add to the checklist..
[/] Reflector Provided
[ ] Person to hold the reflector????
[ ] Got extra 1 Shooter to fight for shooting space?
Not sure if those attending shoots consider this as important?
[/] Reflector Provided
[ ] Person to hold the reflector????
[ ] Got extra 1 Shooter to fight for shooting space?
Not sure if those attending shoots consider this as important?
soeypixels
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NineEleven
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Uncle, I'm not that ninelives though it shares half my username :angel:
Anyway, I thought some simple info that both models & organisers can give are updated:
Height
Weight
Stats
Tattoo
Tanlines
Braces
Haircolor/long/short/curly etc.
Optional:
Shoe size
Clothes size
Specs/contact lens
Scars
That's why good orgainsers have assistants to fix hair/clothes etc. But then we'll be paying in excess of S$100/model or shoot.
I think model's attitude of the day is more important than anything else.
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vince123123
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Perhaps you can name the organisers and models after the shoot in a thread; bad publicity is almost always a good way to curb such behaviour.
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