If u use the 12-24DX on a D3, u need to multiply by 1.5x and u get max of 5.1MP (i.e. getting less than half of the entire sensor). if u use the 14-24FX on d70, d50, d300, etc, u have to multiply by 1.5x.
Nikon D300 / D3 what effect on Canon?
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If u use the 12-24DX on a D3, u need to multiply by 1.5x and u get max of 5.1MP (i.e. getting less than half of the entire sensor). if u use the 14-24FX on d70, d50, d300, etc, u have to multiply by 1.5x.
CYRN
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make it simple... either lens or body with DX tag, follow DX (multiply 1.5x)
Only when both non DX (ie FX/FF) then no multiply.
CYRN
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If you setup is Canon body + Sigma 18-200 + Metz Flash... better option is to jump ship. :bsmilie:
Or if you setup is Canon body with Nikon lenses... then sure jump over better. :devil:
In the past, many Nikonians were upset with the "average" body offered so they jump ship to Canon and sold away their lenses. If Canon continue to offer "average" body, certain % of Canonians will do the same and jump ship back to Nikon. Lenses are very important, but if the overall system can't compete, things will happen. Like many have mentioned, we are buying a system and not just body or lenses.
The 1/3 rule, if the 1/3 mass move, then Canon will be in big trouble. Hope that they will ensure this 1/3 mass will not happen and we will see competition which is good for us, better pricing, better quality, better features, better ......
Average here is define as against competition.
CYRN
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Seriously if jumping system just because of the advantage of 1 generation of cams offered by Nikon is really not worth it.
If you want a pro-body FF DSLR and cannot afford 1Ds... mabbe can consider D3. Then again you still need to build a basic system which will cost you more than 1Ds3 upfront.
Jump only if you feel that Canon will still be stubborn in their product strategy... ie keeping the XXD and XXXD series feature crippled and feel that Nikon semi-pro bodies gives better features. In this case you'd be jumping to D300... Nokon do provide DX compatibality on the FX body, so DX lenses still very much hold their value.
IMHO in the near to mid future Nikon will have advantage on the semi-pro bodies. They might even compete with 5D range with a "near D3" cam. However, Canon will still give all they've got for the 1 series, and here, Canon still have advantage. (Provided you are willing to spend $$$ on them)
If you want a pro-body FF DSLR and cannot afford 1Ds... mabbe can consider D3. Then again you still need to build a basic system which will cost you more than 1Ds3 upfront.
Jump only if you feel that Canon will still be stubborn in their product strategy... ie keeping the XXD and XXXD series feature crippled and feel that Nikon semi-pro bodies gives better features. In this case you'd be jumping to D300... Nokon do provide DX compatibality on the FX body, so DX lenses still very much hold their value.
IMHO in the near to mid future Nikon will have advantage on the semi-pro bodies. They might even compete with 5D range with a "near D3" cam. However, Canon will still give all they've got for the 1 series, and here, Canon still have advantage. (Provided you are willing to spend $$$ on them)
CYRN
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Nikon provide "average" body? :dunno:
I only know a lot of them moved over due to only 2 factors, FF and high ISO noise. This should be addressed with D300 and D3.
The key words in my post;
"Average" here is define as against competition. I'm not saying Nikon nor Canon produce average camera in the other perspective.
If Canon continue to offer "average" body, certain % of Canonians will do the same and jump ship back to Nikon. The 1Dxxxx will only move if the price can't compete when both cameras are on par or Nikon over take.
victorianmedia
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It seems to me that the huge backlash of negative publicity generated against Canon in the release of the new Nikon cameras are simply because NO ONE expected Nikon to unleash such a fine piece of engineering.
Why? Because Canon has always led the pack in terms of releasing new technologies. (Please, it is far from my intentions to release a Canon vs Nikon catfight here)
Canon's USM (ultrasonic motor) was way ahead of its time, Nikon later followed by their so-termed SWM.
Canon's lens-based IS technology was also a first.
Canon's Fluorite lenses were a first as well. (Although Nikon claims that they apparently experimented with the technology before Canon did, and subsequently came out with their ED lens element (which is not as effective as calcium fluorite in removing CA))
Canon's decision to move to a entirely new mount. (the EF mount)
Canon's Diffractive Optics technology (DO)
Canon's first foray into the DSLR field with the EOS DCS3, in 1995...etc.
It thus comes as a surprise that Nikon has suddenly led the increasingly competitive DSLR realm, ahead of the pack with dazzling specs such as ISO25,600, 9fps FF, 51 point AF engine....
But it took Nikon long enough to catch up. Do you all not think that Canon will not? Do you not think that perhaps Canon might have the available technology? I have confidence that Canon will rise to the occasion. In the technological world where every latest development is a frantic rat race by manufacturers to appease consumers, the manufacturers simply cannot afford to rest on their laurels.
Why? Because Canon has always led the pack in terms of releasing new technologies. (Please, it is far from my intentions to release a Canon vs Nikon catfight here)
Canon's USM (ultrasonic motor) was way ahead of its time, Nikon later followed by their so-termed SWM.
Canon's lens-based IS technology was also a first.
Canon's Fluorite lenses were a first as well. (Although Nikon claims that they apparently experimented with the technology before Canon did, and subsequently came out with their ED lens element (which is not as effective as calcium fluorite in removing CA))
Canon's decision to move to a entirely new mount. (the EF mount)
Canon's Diffractive Optics technology (DO)
Canon's first foray into the DSLR field with the EOS DCS3, in 1995...etc.
It thus comes as a surprise that Nikon has suddenly led the increasingly competitive DSLR realm, ahead of the pack with dazzling specs such as ISO25,600, 9fps FF, 51 point AF engine....
But it took Nikon long enough to catch up. Do you all not think that Canon will not? Do you not think that perhaps Canon might have the available technology? I have confidence that Canon will rise to the occasion. In the technological world where every latest development is a frantic rat race by manufacturers to appease consumers, the manufacturers simply cannot afford to rest on their laurels.
ikilledversace
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Why is Nikon considered Darkside?? Nikon has been the biggest name in photography for many many years and there are tons of pros who use nikon (and canon as well N&C are like Man United and Liverpool.
Nikon vs Canon isn't much of a debate really. the last thing a photographer should worry about are the functions the newer models/brands have to offer and worry about your own skill/creativity. imho lots of ppl who are switching here and there for better functions are lousy or low self-esteemed photographers who blame their current cams for their in-abilities. honestly 1Dxxx is the best DSLR in the market with many 999fps but so what? fps is for sports journalist or fast moving photogs which i am pretty sure 90% of the "switchers" are not. they only need lots of fps to shoot landscapes (which stays very still trust me) or shoot their pets and babys etc. Sensor very good and gd noise reduction iso 25,000 or 90,000 why would you need so high iso for? the only valid reason i can think of is for Private Investigators etc who need to shoot night and visible photos. whereas "switchers" shoot their gfs? With good lighting skills, and good lenses noise is not really an issue whereas if quality is an issue and you need better sensor please go Medium Format (which is the industry minimum standard). All fashion photography magazines use medium format. The reason why some ppl use DSLR 1Ds2 etc is u save money for the longer run no need to keep dev slides and portabillity. easy to bring out shoot outdoor also.
Why are other camps more peaceful and happy with what they have? Pentaxians are happy, Sony ppl are happy, Olympus are happy, heck even Nikonians are happy but Canon peeps are worked up and worry about others... they buy 10D shoot lousy photos, blame the cam, buy 20D. never ending. for e.g on flickr you can see lots of great photos all taken by 350D, and compacts. try comparing with the photos by 1D,5D,D2X, etc. i almost laughed. really. Take my advice, buy what you need, dont worry about what you dont need. worry less about the newer cams and do more research on photography sites and see why are other peoples' photos better than yours, learn, go out shoot more and explore with what you have.
just my 2cents. sorry if i offended anyone.
N&C are like Man United and Liverpool.Nikon vs Canon isn't much of a debate really. the last thing a photographer should worry about are the functions the newer models/brands have to offer and worry about your own skill/creativity. imho lots of ppl who are switching here and there for better functions are lousy or low self-esteemed photographers who blame their current cams for their in-abilities. honestly 1Dxxx is the best DSLR in the market with many 999fps but so what? fps is for sports journalist or fast moving photogs which i am pretty sure 90% of the "switchers" are not. they only need lots of fps to shoot landscapes (which stays very still trust me) or shoot their pets and babys etc. Sensor very good and gd noise reduction iso 25,000 or 90,000 why would you need so high iso for? the only valid reason i can think of is for Private Investigators etc who need to shoot night and visible photos. whereas "switchers" shoot their gfs? With good lighting skills, and good lenses noise is not really an issue whereas if quality is an issue and you need better sensor please go Medium Format (which is the industry minimum standard). All fashion photography magazines use medium format. The reason why some ppl use DSLR 1Ds2 etc is u save money for the longer run no need to keep dev slides and portabillity. easy to bring out shoot outdoor also.
Why are other camps more peaceful and happy with what they have? Pentaxians are happy, Sony ppl are happy, Olympus are happy, heck even Nikonians are happy but Canon peeps are worked up and worry about others... they buy 10D shoot lousy photos, blame the cam, buy 20D. never ending. for e.g on flickr you can see lots of great photos all taken by 350D, and compacts. try comparing with the photos by 1D,5D,D2X, etc. i almost laughed. really. Take my advice, buy what you need, dont worry about what you dont need. worry less about the newer cams and do more research on photography sites and see why are other peoples' photos better than yours, learn, go out shoot more and explore with what you have.
just my 2cents. sorry if i offended anyone.
ikilledversace
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The reason why i settled with Canon is because all my friends use Canon and its easy to borrow lenses etc. and my confidence in Canon as they have FF expensive 1D and FF affordable 5D and a good foundation and strategy as they didnt forget the mid-range market and made FF available for us. with this correct mind-set i trust they will maintain this even with future releases. half my heart with nikon also. they take care of their supporters and they're supporters seem to be very happy with what nikon is giving them 
Stay happy guys
Stay happy guys
Dithiolium
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All my friends are Nikon users :bsmilie:
Most of us are amateurs and enthusiats, are we gonna switch brands just cos of 2 new cameras that test our faith?
Only switch to Nikon if it allows you to earn more $$.
Competition is sweet. Better gadgets are available every few months.
Nikon is winning this competition for now. New users go Nikon cos of the cheap D40, tempting them to upgrade to D300 since they have already bought into Nikon. Meanwhile Nikon uses $$ from D40 sales back to product development.
These 2 new Nikon cams and uber zoom lenses were probably released with the 2008 olympics in mind.
Cheesecake
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Nikon did introduce the D1. Canon got a shock then. so did the rest of the other companies.
perhaps Canon has other plans... of which u'll know and see at a later date this yr?
maybe recently, but not always. i think Kodak was a leader at one stage, then Nikon then ... Canon. the point is, the 'leader' role gets rotated from time to time. perhaps now, Canon is winning the MP race.
i guess u're right.
this is wrong. Nikon used VR(equivalent to IS-in a way or 2) way before in one of the point n shoot film cameras.
can't really say which is beta but i do know that Nikon's lenses went to outer-space! haha
oh yeah, it caused a stir back then. Nikon remains faithful to the F-mount all these years.
hmmm... not sure abt this but i know Canon do haf it.
u do mean Canon's own foray into the digital imaging field, don't u?
some of Nikon's earlier venture.
ISO25? u got this wrong. as for the rest of the specs, well.... it does look much more impressive than Canon's.
perhaps at a later date, Canon will announce a new DSLR. it's a cat and mouse game. i don't see why anyone should b upset or disappointed. not happy with one system, jump to the next then. u're the consumer and u call the shots as it is ur money afterall.
like intel and amd ... sometimes the small guy manages to leapfrog ahead. good for everyone to drive prices down and urgency up. i believe canon will be back with a vengeance. then much later, nikon will come back. get used to it. life is long.
victorianmedia
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Point and shoot film cameras? So those have interchangeable lenses? And those are lens-based? Care to enlighten me on this technology?
If I'm not wrong, it is extendable to ISO 25,600. Under Hi-2.0?
at least Dpreview says so:
ISO 200 - 6400 (with boost up to ISO 25,600)
as I said earlier:"Do you all not think that Canon will not come up with something? Do you not think that perhaps Canon might have the available technology? I have confidence that Canon will rise to the occasion. In the technological world where every latest development is a frantic rat race by manufacturers to appease consumers, the manufacturers simply cannot afford to rest on their laurels."
I wasn't disappointed. Nor was I upset. I'm confident and quite optimistic that Canon will rise to the occasion.
Cheesecake
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wat r u talking abt? the VR has been used on a PnS film camera with lens on it! thus, the concept of the i.s or VR in nikon's instance, isn't GROUND-BREAKINGLY new or in ur sense, Canon's first and foremost!
u typed it urself, ISO25. oh, i get it, ur 25600 is seperated by a comma. thus, i mis-read ur 25600. hahahaha
u see, u dun really know wat canon has in stored. dun be upset, dun be disappointed.
something is coming out soon.
dun we jus love tech-chasing?
which film PnS? it did take a while for Nikon to implement the technology into the lenses though. Have to say I like to see competition among the companies, cos the consumers stand to gain the most
gooseberry
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which film PnS? it did take a while for Nikon to implement the technology into the lenses though. Have to say I like to see competition among the companies, cos the consumers stand to gain the most
VR came out in the Nikon 700VR compact film camera released in 1994 I think - it was the first lens based image stabilisation in a camera - Canon came out later with the first IS interchangeable lens. Apparently the camera (700VR) itself didn't sell as much as expected, and speculation was that this is the reason Nikon didn't bring VR technology to their interchangeable lenses until later - because they thought that it wasn't a big selling factor.
At the end of the day, it's not about who brings out what first. It's about who can sell the sexiness of the idea best. :bsmilie: It's also about implementaion. Nikon may have come out with the first VR, but Canon incorporated IS on more lenses and that's how they won the sports photography market. Also, witness Minolta: first to come out with autofocus & sensor-shake, but where's the company now?
The release of D3 and D300 only prove that Canon stragety is the way to follow: Full frame, multi point focusing, ultrasonic motor, image stabilising, high fps, high megapixels, weather proofing in lenses and body, CMOS sensor etc. All these use to be nonsense in the view of Nikon users. On the other hand, i feel that Nikon has definitely done a good job in the new line for Canon to think about: large vga screen, HDMI port, 51 focusing point, low cost etc. Either way its good for consumer.
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