Nikon D300 / D3 what effect on Canon?

[victorianmedia]

u see, u dun really know wat canon has in stored. dun be upset, dun be disappointed.

something is coming out soon.

dun we jus love tech-chasing?

Of course, which was the point I was talking about in the first place, in case you do fail to understand.

 

[Cheesecake]

Of course, which was the point I was talking about in the first place, in case you do fail to understand.

of cos i understand. i do understand the tech-race very well, thank you.

i'm jus correcting some glaring mistakes from u.

 

[Cheesecake]

which film PnS? it did take a while for Nikon to implement the technology into the lenses though. Have to say I like to see competition among the companies, cos the consumers stand to gain the most

pls go and run a search. its been discussed before in the CS Nikon thread i belif.
recently someone is selling the same camera in BnS i belif.

the VR is implemented in the lenses of the film PnS. jus that for some reason back then, Nikon did not push it into their SLR lenses. ha! i do not know why! :bsmilie:



it is us consumer that benefit from all these! :thumbsup:

 

[Cheesecake]

The release of D3 and D300 only prove that Canon stragety is the way to follow: Full frame, multi point focusing, ultrasonic motor, image stabilising, high fps, high megapixels, weather proofing in lenses and body, CMOS sensor etc. All these use to be nonsense in the view of Nikon users. On the other hand, i feel that Nikon has definitely done a good job in the new line for Canon to think about: large vga screen, HDMI port, 51 focusing point, low cost etc. Either way its good for consumer.

i jus want LOW NOISE!!! ;p

 

[Scaglietti]

Some history and info on Nikon VR:

http://nikonimaging.com/global/technology/scene/16/index.htm

BC

 

[Cheesecake]

Nikon VR PnS Camera

The very well received and highly rated TW Zoom 150 QD of 1992 was selected to give a serious upgrade in 1994 as Nikon Zoom 700 VR - where I thought it should be called "105VR" to be more appropriate. However, the US version was more accurate to its spec. as it was referred as Zoom-Touch 105 VR). On a technical note, Nikon's VR (Vibration Reduction) technology was used to assist the new 38-105mm f/4~f/7.8 Nikon zoom to reduce chances of blurry images caused by unsteady hands during picture shootings.

Note: the lens has a slightly smaller maximum aperture than the earlier 37-105mm f/3.7~f/9.9 used in the Nikon TWZ105 model where Nikon seemed confident with the aid of the VR in this model. This relatively quite a sizable Nikon compact model has an alternate Quartz Date version as consideration. The QD model came with a few extra benefits in data print functions and has a built-in Panorama format feature.

Source from mir.com.my

Here

 

[SFS]

....but Canon incorporated IS on more lenses and that's how they won the sports photography market. ...

well, Canon has really perfected her IS lenses...so well tat the EF-S 18-55 and 55-200 have inherited it! :bigeyes:

 

[Cheesecake]

At the end of the day, it's not about who brings out what first. It's about who can sell the sexiness of the idea best. :bsmilie: It's also about implementaion. Nikon may have come out with the first VR, but Canon incorporated IS on more lenses and that's how they won the sports photography market. Also, witness Minolta: first to come out with autofocus & sensor-shake, but where's the company now?

not that interested in who comes out first.

pretty redundant. the main thing is that consumer benefit.

and as for why Canon call the roost in sports fotography...

1). their AF is good.
2). their marketing is good. need i say more?

 

[thw]

not that interested in who comes out first. pretty redundant. the main thing is that consumer benefit.

Fair enough. BUT, consumer benefit may NOT be immediate. That's why the current debate about who came out with what first.

For example, Nikon released their 17-55 f/2.8 DX (crop lens) way before Canon had their equivalent. BUT, BUT the Canon lens IMO has better value: IS and at a lower price. (I will also like to point out lower weight, but I know many people prefer heavy (they call this better built) lenses.) In fact, if Nikon has a VR version at the same/lower price than Canon, I will consider switching to Nikon. As it is, such a lens is not present in their line-up. They are also missing out on the 10 mm end of their ultrawide DX offerings (don't even talk about Sigma) etc etc... but I digress. :bsmilie:

and as for why Canon call the roost in sports fotography...
1). their AF is good.
2). their marketing is good. need i say more?

Nikon AF is just as good, if not better... at least for their prosumer and pro DSLRs. They just have fewer AF points (at least before the D3/D300).

Nikon is just as aggressive in their marketing. BUT before the 400/500/600 VR lenses were released, they had NOTHING to go against Canon's equivalent. Otherwise, why do you think Nikon bothers to release those lenses recently?

 

[chopper]

One thing I notice is the difference is strategy on product announcement between the two company.

Canon seems to keep their introduction very close to product readiness to ship. From the point they announce 40D till they are available on shelf, < 1 weeks !

For Nikon, they announce the D300 & D3 a full 3 months before they even ready to ship.

Some may think that this is really smart move from Nikon, I personally feel that this is quite desperate & may not be the smartest move from Nikon. It simply kill their own D200 & D2X/D2H sale for the next 3 months, and risk writing off a huge amount of old inventories. Either they are not selling much of these anyway, or they are so worry about ensuring they disrupt Canon market share, they are betting their farm on this. Any delay or technical disruption to D300 & D3 intro is going to hurt them badly (1DIII lesson for them?).

Plus, 2 months after they actually started shipping D300 & D3, Canon 5D II is ready for intro & ship. And likelyhood of 5D II threatening Nikon D300/D3 in either features or pricing is high rather then low.

The other angle to look at it, maybe Nikon announcement on D300 & D3 had not been about D300 & D3 afterall, it's to position itself as the technologically leading company, and hopefully help them to sell more D40/D40x ?? Somehow a bit of a complicated marketing strategy that may or may not really pay off in real $$.

 

[Cheesecake]

Fair enough. BUT, consumer benefit may NOT be immediate. That's why the current debate about who came out with what first.

aiya, they fight it out, we stand by and watch lor. pretty interesting to see the new tech gizmos and all.

For example, Nikon released their 17-55 f/2.8 DX (crop lens) way before Canon had their equivalent. BUT, BUT the Canon lens IMO has better value: IS and at a lower price. (I will also like to point out lower weight, but I know many people prefer heavy (they call this better built) lenses.) In fact, if Nikon has a VR version at the same/lower price than Canon, I will consider switching to Nikon. As it is, such a lens is not present in their line-up. They are also missing out on the 10 mm end of their ultrawide DX offerings (don't even talk about Sigma) etc etc... but I digress. :bsmilie:

this kind of thing, each will take the lead once a while. it's like passing the baton. nothing is infinite.

again, we stand one side and watch them slug it out.

Nikon AF is just as good, if not better... at least for their prosumer and pro DSLRs. They just have fewer AF points (at least before the D3/D300).

hmmm... no comments. both haf their own strength. can AF, i happy.

Nikon is just as aggressive in their marketing. BUT before the 400/500/600 VR lenses were released, they had NOTHING to go against Canon's equivalent. Otherwise, why do you think Nikon bothers to release those lenses recently?

lately they are more aggressive in their marketing but still cannot match Canon's.

those lenses, the 400/500/600 range, are pretty specialised lenses and its been donkey years since Nikon last had an update on them. and the VR is added inside, oh well, the intention is pretty clear!

not only sports, but wildlife fotographers are targeted.



but then again, Canon's marketing is beyond advertising.


sponsorships.

 

[calebk]

...
For Nikon, they announce the D300 & D3 a full 3 months before they even ready to ship.

Some may think that this is really smart move from Nikon, I personally feel that this is quite desperate & may not be the smartest move from Nikon. It simply kill their own D200 & D2X/D2H sale for the next 3 months, and risk writing off a huge amount of old inventories. Either they are not selling much of these anyway, or they are so worry about ensuring they disrupt Canon market share, they are betting their farm on this. Any delay or technical disruption to D300 & D3 intro is going to hurt them badly (1DIII lesson for them?).
...

Yes! The worst thing is some customers have long predicted the trend. I heard a couple of them talking about the D300.

"Oh, you gonna upgrade ah?"
"Yeah, but then November's a long wait man"
"Ya lor. As per normal...In fact I won't be surprised if it turns out to be shipped in December!"
:bsmilie:

 

[chopper]

Yes! The worst thing is some customers have long predicted the trend. I heard a couple of them talking about the D300.

"Oh, you gonna upgrade ah?"
"Yeah, but then November's a long wait man"
"Ya lor. As per normal...In fact I won't be surprised if it turns out to be shipped in December!"
:bsmilie:

Worst still, by the time the ready to ship in December, Sony who is making the sensor for them had already staff the channel with 'Alpha' version of D300 & D3, with sensor base image stableliser, 20% cheaper. Sony nipping at their tail, while they busy chasing Canon...

Better send Sun Tze art of War book to Nikon CEO... The best victory is not to wage a war.

 

[CYRN]

Worst still, by the time the ready to ship in December, Sony who is making the sensor for them had already staff the channel with 'Alpha' version of D300 & D3, with sensor base image stableliser, 20% cheaper. Sony nipping at their tail, while they busy chasing Canon...

Better send Sun Tze art of War book to Nikon CEO... The best victory is not to wage a war.

manufacturer of D3 sensor is unkonwn, guesess are they are not from Sony.

Even Canon is more weary of Sony.

Sun Tze AOW says best victory is winning without waging a war.

 

[victorianmedia]

Fair enough. BUT, consumer benefit may NOT be immediate. That's why the current debate about who came out with what first.

For example, Nikon released their 17-55 f/2.8 DX (crop lens) way before Canon had their equivalent. BUT, BUT the Canon lens IMO has better value: IS and at a lower price. (I will also like to point out lower weight, but I know many people prefer heavy (they call this better built) lenses.) In fact, if Nikon has a VR version at the same/lower price than Canon, I will consider switching to Nikon. As it is, such a lens is not present in their line-up. They are also missing out on the 10 mm end of their ultrawide DX offerings (don't even talk about Sigma) etc etc... but I digress. :bsmilie:

Canon may not always be the first to introduce a new technology (indeed, no other manufacturer is); but it does state that it tries to refine the technology so that it is the best in the market.

Nikon AF is just as good, if not better... at least for their prosumer and pro DSLRs. They just have fewer AF points (at least before the D3/D300).

Nikon is just as aggressive in their marketing. BUT before the 400/500/600 VR lenses were released, they had NOTHING to go against Canon's equivalent. Otherwise, why do you think Nikon bothers to release those lenses recently?

I concur. It took them long enough, as I said. Nevertheless, their marketing efforts in Singapore are, I would say, just as aggressive or even more aggressive than Canon's. Look at how many TV shows they sponsor, look at how many print ads they put into our newspapers and magazines, look at the amount of competitions they do up (more than Canon, as I last checked).....

 

[John Tan]

although i agree that more sports photogs use canon, but where did u get the 80% figure from?

post one of the images I saw...almost all r 1Dmk2...photo before mk2n launch...
See it for yourself...hardly see any Nikon cam around...

Wonder how it really affect on Canon when D3 launch???

 

[John Tan]

I concur. It took them long enough, as I said. Nevertheless, their marketing efforts in Singapore are, I would say, just as aggressive or even more aggressive than Canon's. Look at how many TV shows they sponsor, look at how many print ads they put into our newspapers and magazines, look at the amount of competitions they do up (more than Canon, as I last checked).....

Once u see the image I upload before this thread then should know why Nikon do that...

 

[FuKiE]

make it simple... either lens or body with DX tag, follow DX (multiply 1.5x)

Only when both non DX (ie FX/FF) then no multiply.

If u use the 12-24DX on a D3, u need to multiply by 1.5x and u get max of 5.1MP (i.e. getting less than half of the entire sensor). if u use the 14-24FX on d70, d50, d300, etc, u have to multiply by 1.5x.

So if we use DX lenses on D3, can we use the FF function or only half of the sensor? or there's an option to choose?

 

[FuKiE]

manufacturer of D3 sensor is unkonwn, guesess are they are not from Sony.

Even Canon is more weary of Sony.

Sun Tze AOW says best victory is winning without waging a war.

I remember seeing somewhere tt D3 sensor is Nikon-based made+design, but not the same for D300. Also D300 sensor i heard is kinda derived from the D3 sensor.

Anyway, the John Tan's image, who's cams are those on the floor ones? ... if its one person/group, really covering all angles :sweat::sweat::sweat: hahas

but still lose out to the broadcasting cameras, 25fps zoom in and out, wide aperture! hahaa :sticktong

 

[Kit]

post one of the images I saw...almost all r 1Dmk2...photo before mk2n launch...
See it for yourself...hardly see any Nikon cam around...

Wonder how it really affect on Canon when D3 launch???

Did you know this picture was taken with a Nikon?