Nikon D300 / D3 what effect on Canon?
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CYRN
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it's the significant improvements that wowed many of us, not the timing.
At expense of resolution though on the D3. It's offers flexibility but for those who might need to print big or the higher resolution, non-DX lenses would be preferred.
Sorry, clean ISO 6400 will be VERY nice if I want to shoot low light theater performances. Oh, accurate AF in low light is a MUST. These features will help me take better pictures under those circumstances. Technology moves forward and progress is inevitable.
What I think Canon needs to do to win the market:
Introduce 3 cameras in Feb 2008:
- 450D with 12 MP (not needed by me, but required by the market to preempt Nikon's update for the D40X/D80), live view with contrast based AF, flip-out 3" LCD with 900,000 pixels
- drop an 12 MP APS-H (1.3x) sensor into a 40D body with 45 pt AF sensor, 7 fps, ISO 12800, AF micro-adjustment, live view with contrast based AF, flip-out 3" LCD with 900,000 pixels, priced at the same level as the D300 to compete
- 16 MP 5D Mk II with all the necessary specs and lower price to destroy the D3
Actually, Nikon has supposedly caught up and surpassed Canon in high ISO performance. Note the D3 uses a FF CMOS sensor designed by NIKON (NOT Sony) engineers. From http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1187901361.html:
"The D3's high ISO is really impressive I'll remain at least somewhat skeptical until we can get a D3 back in the lab and test it under controlled conditions, but Nikon showed some incredibly impressive prints at the event. They had enlargements that must have been 30x45 inches or more in size, comparing identical shots taken with the D3 and Canon EOS-1D Mark III at ISO 3,200 and 6,400.
After the disappointment of the D2H, I have to say I was taking Nikon's claims of low noise at high ISOs with a rather large grain of salt. When I saw the aforementioned prints though, I was literally flabbergasted. The D3 didn't just surpass the 1D Mark III, it far surpassed it. Well, that may be a little strong; the Mark III is a fantastic camera, but the difference between its images and those from the D3 was anything but subtle. As I say, I'll remain a skeptic until we can test a production sample of the D3 ourselves, but if the images shown had any basis in reality (and Nikon would be foolish to have doctored them in any way), it looks like there's a new leader in the high-ISO / low-noise derby, and it's the D3."
CYRN
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yes, but 6MP is plenty enough for A4 sized prints. Dun think many need more than that.
But at least it's reassuring to those whom have invested in DX lenses that the can use it on pro body should they want to upgrade, 1 less obstacle compared to Canon ef-s strategy. Furthermore, DX lenses IQ are superior to ef-s series so far.
CYRN
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I don't think Canon will relent just yet.
Look at the 20D-30D pathetic "improvements" and got trounced in sales by the D200.
Now, again, they severly underestimate their competition and hold back features and intro 40D only to be trounced AGAIN, this time their glory lasted only 2 days before major anti-climax hits.
Someone mentions Nikon really listen to their users, I doubt Canon listen as hard.... else we wouldn't have that print button and have micro AF adjustment instead in ALL their cams (noticed 1Ds3 also no micro AF adjustment too).
Just an intermediate step. Preference will still be to use equipment that make the full use of the camera, resolution and otherwise, e.g. a pro landscape shooter would probably prefer a full-frame ultra wide than a DX ultrawide.
There're some DX lenses that are better than some EF-S and some EF-S which are better than some DX lenses and both companies also have unique DX/EF-S lenses (e.g. DX VR 18-200, DX 10.5mm fisheye, EF-S 60mm macro, EF-S 17-55 IS). This is usually reflected in the prices (higher grade lenses having higher prices).
I do hope the price for canon's camera will dip significantly. 1DsM3 @ US$8999 vs D3 @ US$4999 both full frame, just a diff in res. D3 is like a merge of 1DM3 and 1DsM3. User can chose which mode to use! Cool :thumbsup:
I wonder who will buy the FF from Canon now? Other then those who want high res.
I wonder who will buy the FF from Canon now? Other then those who want high res.
with no weather seal, 3fps, ISO 3200 max, non 100% viewfinder, 9AF point.....:think: plus US$2999 which is not that cheap.....
CYRN
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lets just hope Canon dun upgrade 5Dm2 like 20D to 30D. :sweat: Canon head might still be very inflated. :bsmilie:
EGO you mean ... I hope the D3/D300 has punctured that big ego of theirs...
Another sleeping giant i'd like to see reveal their products is sony. (but their pricing really sucks...)
sebastiansong
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Maybe so now with Nikon announcement but do remember that 5D was released close to two years ago and had been then the only "cheap" FF solution for many photographers.
I think US$4999 is a sweet spot for pro FF camera, and 9fps FF capture! Most people who are willing to throw $4K plus for 5D will serious consider the D3 with all the additional solid features! Shutter life, and a 3" VGA screen is something really cool! My PDA phone which show full VGA is giving me so much more details compare to one that display 320 by 240.
Yup. Also, Canon has the first full frame 5 years ago and Kodak had theirs 13 years ago..... good to see that Nikon finally have one with such good specs and not disappoint the Nikon users who waited....
Interesting to see what Canon would come up with though to replace 5D and 1D series though.
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