let's close down critique corner

[Chris Lim]

i think the critique corner is a good place for ppl to learn. But such a place for ppl to voice their opinion will introduce clashes in mentality, viewpoints and opinions as well as technical and artistic views.

If u ask me. To close it down or not. I'd say No. Cos it deprives alot a chance to learn, even me. I say let it run ungoverned for a period of time and see wat happens. Let people fight it out in opinion rather then critique. Let it get so messy that ppl stop using it like a place to show off and stuff. Then form a system to try and make it work.

CS since the day i joined has been getting more and more complicated as well as dirty. Maybe its time for a major clean it and let everything restart with firmer rules and restrictions?

Eikin has been one of the best moderator ive seen so far making sure that his subforum is governed in as close as possible to the guidelines and i see the reason why. Even most competitions requires u to do a write up before submission. I think he deserves a break.

Not much point in continuing a thread like that as well. Cos its not gonna get you anywhere if the admins aren't looking or trying to hopefully resolve this learning opportunity booboo. Even if the task is too huge to handle, there will be ppl willng to put up ideas to try and make CS a better place to be in.

Anyway.. eikin..:thumbsup: thanks for trying to make critique a good learning ground.

 

[schon]

i think eikin is a great critic. from his work, his critique and such, i actually think before i shoot.

perhaps like a few has suggested here, having critique-seekers to read the guidelines followed by a form (a la buy & sell style), then finally upload a picuture would improve upon the situation.

if the bugger refuses to follow, simply delete the thread as he or she has already agreed to the guidelines.

 

[Kit]

see the thread title?

So what about it? The outcome of this poll isn't going to make the situation any better for sure. If you think its not serving its purpose, then recommend its closure to the admin. If not, you can leave it and let it rot or flourish. Or, you can think of something to salvage it.

 

[eikin]

So what about it? The outcome of this poll isn't going to make the situation any better for sure. If you think its not serving its purpose, then recommend its closure to the admin. If not, you can leave it and let it rot or flourish. Or, you can think of something to salvage it.

up to you to think what you like. i've done what i see necessary, but like i said, i'm not the decision maker.

 

[Deadpoet]

if i were to consider from your position, of course it is a dumb idea. but from where i see, it's meaningless to continue a semi-raw, half-baked project given the amount of effort and time invested by those who contributed meaningfully. my position may look like an extreme one to many of you, a few will know why i think so and i appreciate that. i want to see from the postings and poll what people think, and end of the day i do not hold the power to close critique corner, decision doesn't come from me. i'm only tasked to help with the maintenance of that section, but because of my own involvement in the postings in the section, i decided that i do not want to make any more critiques. call me selfish, thanks.

Maybe you got it right, you are selfish, you want a very high standard for the Ctitique Corner, and it is getting there very slowly, perhaps too slowly for you.

Have you considered wheter CS is better off with a "semi-raw" and "half-baked" Critique Corner than having none?

Maybe it's time to pass the baton. We all need time out, that is call a "vacation"!

 

[Sjourn]

i forgot to add, IMHO opinion Ekin has done a good job. Its never easy to moderate anything.

I think we are having this discussion coz he's doing his job. Not many many of us would have the guts or commitment for that. Me included if i ever reach superuser..hee hee.

Cheer up Ekin.

 

[Deadpoet]

i forgot to add, IMHO opinion Ekin has done a good job. Its never easy to moderate anything.

I think we are having this discussion coz he's doing his job. Not many many of us would have the guts or commitment for that. Me included if i ever reach superuser..hee hee.

Cheer up Ekin.

I am not disagreeing that eikin had been doing a great job. However, there is also a fiduciary duty to keep the forum running, going, and ultimately growing.

If one becomes tired, hopefully there is someone to step up and step in.

Maybe, the Critique Crner needs a larger group of volunteer to run?

 

[Sjourn]

I am not disagreeing that eikin had been doing a great job. However, there is also a fiduciary duty to keep the forum running, going, and ultimately growing.

If one becomes tired, hopefully there is someone to step up and step in.

Maybe, the Critique Crner needs a larger group of volunteer to run?

Ha...Mr. DP, just to let u know I was not pointing to your post before mine, i think we were posting the same time. It's a continuation from mine earlier post in page 2, i think.

I agree that the show must go on too. My vote was NO to closing the thread.

It's like saying to close a country if there is no garment. It still has to run somehow.

So I suggest we give Eikin a pay of 3.1 mil for his commited services.:devil:

 

[Sjourn]

Ha...Mr. DP, just to let u know I was not pointing to your post before mine, i think we were posting the same time. It's a continuation from mine earlier post in page 2, i think.

I agree that the show must go on too. My vote was NO to closing the thread.

It's like saying to close a country if there is no garment. It still has to run somehow.

So I suggest we give Eikin a pay of 3.1 mil for his commited services.:devil:

oh..and i do mean 3.1 mil post counts or peanuts whichever is more affordable.:angel:

 

[night86mare]

So I suggest we give Eikin a pay of 3.1 mil for his commited services.:devil:

:sticktong Great, now also drag gahment in. :bsmilie: :bsmilie:

 

[binbeto]

Ekin, the thread that cause your unhappiness has been deleted. So, can't see how it causes you to have this idea in the first place.

I remember a few users wanted so hard for a critque section and now you wanna close it just becos of 1 or 2 incidents? I know I dun really post much much I do view the pic posted and what others feel about it.

Helps me a lot of my photo too.

I will have to vote no.

 

[Sjourn]

oh..and i do mean 3.1 mil post counts or peanuts whichever is more affordable.:angel:

:sticktong Great, now also drag gahment in. :bsmilie: :bsmilie:

Not me...not me....wat does 3.1mil post counts and peanuts got to do with garment? seperate anology la..:bsmilie:


(Disclaimer: Me deny anything and everything)

back to the topic....

 

[1911]

Eikin's frustration is understandable. He wants to tell others the right things to do, or do things right the 1st time. However, ppl are just ignorant. I know someone who likes to shoot group photos with a low shutter speed such as 1/15s, always ends up with blur photos when viewed at 100%, yet he still does it everytime. What can you do? You can advise, but if he does not listen, then it is his problem. He will end up with blurred photos, not you.

Relax and take it easy. Things will improve, although at a very slow pace.

 

[Deadpoet]

I agree that the show must go on too. My vote was NO to closing the thread.

...

This comment maybe a bit harsh to eikin, actually, it's probably hasher than any of my "sucks" commentry, but cie la vie.

As Sjourn said, THE SHOW MUST GO ON.

The show will go on with or without anyone of us, and that includes eikin. I believe the show will be that much more vibrant with eikin on board, but the show will go on with or with out him.

What he needs to do is decide if he is on board. What we need to do is to show him that his contribution is valued.

 

[yanyewkay]

5 page thread.. i didn't read all the pages.

I suggest making C&C into something like B&S.. when you click on new post, you MUST fill in a form with the following fields (lifted from guidelines)

==================================================
1. in what area is critique to be seek?
2. what one hopes to achieve with the piece of work?
3. under what circumstance is the picture taken? (physical conditions/emotions)
4. what the critique seeker personally think of the picture
5. link to picture
6. extra/other comments

Simple rules of C&C (lifted from darren's sticky, to be kept short and sweet)
a) Members are only allowed to post ONE image PER week. This is to allow enough time for critiques to be written.
b) Please keep your image dimensions to a comfortable size to facilitate easier viewing. We recommend the width to be no larger than 800 pixels.
c)..etc...

A box at the bottom, "I have read and understood the rules and regulation for C&C..etc.."

==================================================

Then the post will appear nicely formatted.

i feel many don't bother to read the guidelines, basically humans are lazy. By compelling them to fill up a form, they cannot say they didn't know of the guidelines.

providing a link to picture also prevents users (to some extend) from posting many shots.

 

[ortega]

i vote No as well
just as long as there are some ppl who benifit, it should stay open

Eikin is doing a great job, (much better than i can do)
shame on those who do not see that.

As stated b4, i also think eikin is burning out and needs a rest.
BTW is is tough work to be a admin/mod/superuser.

 

[Jason Ho]

Seeing how this thread and poll have progressed, I think its time for me to make a few points known.

1) Admins may not have the time to read all threads and posts on CS, but we definitely read all under this Feedback section.

2) Admins also need time to read and digest and discuss among ourselves. We have more interest and passion than anyone in this forum to make things running smoothly.

3) If we aren't responding, that doesn't mean we are not looking or reading. And that doesn't mean we are ignoring this issue raised. Since it started as a poll, I personally waited for members inputs and discussion before making a comment. Isn't this the right way? Or should I close off the thread right from the 1st page?

As I always asked from all members, patience patience patience. Things don't happen overnight. I welcome all inputs good or bad.

Quoting some of the members inputs here,

- Critique Corner was started upon members requests.
- Guidelines were put in place to make sure things are in order
- We have Mods and SUs to make sure things don't get too messy
- Standards in CC are improving, we just need to find ways to ensure members fully understand what does CC means.

To us (admins), it doesn't matter if its a top class CC or half baked trash corner, as long as there are activities that warrant its existence, we will keep the subforum ongoing. If theres any mess that needs to be clear up, we will do it. It doesn't matter if its going to be new guidelines or more SU and mods to delete/move/lock posts by members who dont read guidelines, we will keep up the efforts to improve it.

If I were to do anything to this thread, I will change the topic and poll to "Do you think we need to incorporate more changes likes guidelines to CC?" And the discussion can evolve around how and what needs to be improve. Elkins has been helping us with CC and his efforts are well recognized by members here. Likewise alot of members are contributing well to that subforum too. We just need to tweak and make changes to improve it.

Last but not least, CC is NOT going to close down. Like what I said, time and patience are needed. CS comes a long way and we aren't going to close down a subforum just because of one poll. Meanwhile keep those ideas and input coming. We are still reading this thread for sure.

 

[Gunbucker]

My personal observation on the CC is that, only two kinds of work (with a 95% to 5% ratio) goes there: poorly thought through work, and the highly thought through work. The in-between neither here nor there work (like for the most of us), but thankfully has figured out the genre it belongs to, goes to the respective sub-forums to get more indepth critique from other like-minded CSers (e.g., Portraits)

So this leads us to the question, is CC going to be a "drive-through" testing ground, or a place where seriously thought through, planned through, and meticulously executed work gets critiqued with equal effort, thought, and nurture?

If it's the former, Eiken, you can take a break, chill out, and let it be a cowboy town, where all comments take the form of "good shot bro!" with lots of thumbs ups and smileys.

If it's going to be the latter, then it needs to be a deliberate process, not an automated one. By a deliberate process, I refer to a process of the critique seeker submitting his/her work via a form that includes fields such as title, theme, concept, questions, etc, and be submitted to the admins/superusers. This deliberate process will at least discourage half-baked, half-a**ed "works", where it would just be too much for the joker to crack his/her head and fill up. In this way, the mods/admins won't have to deal with a load of forms.

Critiques take a lot of effort, so it is only fair for all that ONLY work that has been thought through be put up for critique. Critiques aren't a fast-food chain. It is a deliberate process, and should be so. If it takes a week to get a work critiqued, so be it. The critique seeker, if he/she is serious about his/her work, and he/she won't mind waiting for his work to be properly moderated, posted, and critique received.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[zaxh81]

So far till now,this thread did not start with problem of newbies who can't accept critics.
i have not came across any who said "my pic is the good,i don't need critiques"
While there maybe some who give reply like,Ooo...it was intentional.:bsmilie:

I ask everyone here.
A picture,a short writeup,exif information is all it takes to start critics on a picture.
Do you think is true or false?:dunno:

 

[Gunbucker]

So far till now,this thread did not start with problem of newbies who can't accept critics.
i have not came across any who said "my pic is the good,i don't need critiques"
While there maybe some who give reply like,Ooo...it was intentional.:bsmilie:

Fair point. I didn't intend to target newbies either. More towards poorly thought through work.

My previous post as such will be edited accordingly.