let's close down critique corner

[Sjourn]

I think there are 2 schools of thoughts.

While there are guidelines for the critque corner, in reality nobody really reads them. So while newbies wants comments on thier pics they are not prepared to accept harsh comments.

for other posters, they welcome as harsh comments as good as they get, coz they will be humble enough to hear and discern what viewers think. This ppl will improve as they go.

Ekin, seems like you need to split into 2 sub forums:

Critque corner: The REAL DEAL: Please hurt me bad, I want to learn.

and

Critique corner: The Flower treatment: My heart is weak, please be nice

anywayz, these are my 2 cents, I pray that everyone here is tactful whether posting or reading. No hard feelings and may more pictures come out of our expensive cameras.

 

[Errz]

Yes close down, but have it a weekly critique gathering.

Print out / laptop to show the photos u wan people to critique. heh.

:thumbsup:

 

[eikin]

Sometimes, inaction will nurture a solution the fits in. Not everything has to be regulated. Its a hobby and people should be given the opportunity to learn at their own pace if they chosed to. I'm not being cynical but I have been around long enough to know that intervention will not work out always. If you think you've failed, you can jolly well call it a day now. You don't have to wait till the successor comes along.

i believe you've been in CS long enough, and been in singapore long enough to know that inaction only nurture complacency. inaction only nurture a solution when someone decides against it. yes everyone learns at different pace, but alot of people do not stop to think if they are ready enough for critique, they expect critique to be ready for them. i've called it a day in making critiques, i'm staying only to help glennyong with the maintenance since we've not heard concrete decisions yet.

 

[surge]

please...because of just a few who cannot take critique then close down?

how about the tons of good photos that have helped ppl learnt and see that each time you think thats it and someone else comes up with a good composition or idea to shoot?

keep it going. i have learnt alot from it.

even the really bad ones can be use as a bad example...

 

[eikin]

Critque corner: The REAL DEAL: Please hurt me bad, I want to learn.

and

Critique corner: The Flower treatment: My heart is weak, please be nice

i love your description :bsmilie: they sound so wrong, but so funny

 

[eikin]

Yes close down, but have it a weekly critique gathering.

Print out / laptop to show the photos u wan people to critique. heh.

:thumbsup:

i support your idea :thumbsup: too bad i won't be of any help since i'm not in singapore :bsmilie:

 

[Kit]

i believe you've been in CS long enough, and been in singapore long enough to know that inaction only nurture complacency. inaction only nurture a solution when someone decides against it. yes everyone learns at different pace, but alot of people do not stop to think if they are ready enough for critique, they expect critique to be ready for them. i've called it a day in making critiques, i'm staying only to help glennyong with the maintenance since we've not heard concrete decisions yet.

So you've just became part of the statistics.

I'll re-prahse what I said earlier..... inaction might just be the strongest action to deal with the problem.....

BTW, nobody will know for sure if they are ready for critics until the meet one. I thought of all people, you should know best.

 

[night86mare]

Cool down, eikin.

There will always be coconuts in this universe, for example, when I state on my Buy/Sell threads that the item is reserved, I still get calls asking me if the camera is for sale. People just don't read sometimes, and you can't really blame them, if they're rushing for time.

Just let it rot, fester, whatever. Guidelines are guidelines. You can only guide, not enforce overtly, or you'll spoil the spirit of the whole thing by turning it into some elitist mumbo-jumbo where only people who put in effort into their Critique photo and writeup will be allowed to post?

You can't stop people, you can only control yourself. So let all the cute little squirrels who love their photos and only look for CP (c-pump, not Cathay Photo) gather their little nuts of I LURVE YOUR PHOTO even when it sucks.

Don't need to be so worked up, and I can't stand all the people who are saying that you shoot one question etc. If the question hits the problem in the guy's thread in the first place, then? And also the stupid comments about him being in Japan. Even if eikin lives in Timbucktoo he is still a photographer, better than a lot here, thankyew very much, and a lot more mature and cordial than what he's getting.

How would you like it if I posted up a photo of FHM cover for your critique, eh? =D A bit boh liao right.

 

[Pablo]

well. obviously people do not read stickies despite their colour and the mods still get comments like "close" and "good job"

well.... obviously these are the ones who give the moderators extra jobs to prune out such useless comments.

Your reply is exactly why I made the suggestion in the first place.

People wont read a bunch of stickies.

But they may read one simple one if that is all there is.

Ok. Another suggestion.

Since a person has to register first to be able to post.

Why not have them read a short form of rules and tick each before registration is complete ?

As I underlined, "A short form". Simple-to the point.

If you want to make it register in the minds of members; follow the "short form" with a line....

Disregard of these requests can suspend your account for 24 hours.

Any comment :dunno:

 

[eikin]

So you've just became part of the statistics.

I'll re-prahse what I said earlier..... inaction might just be the strongest action to deal with the problem.....

BTW, nobody will know for sure if they are ready for critics until the meet one. I thought of all people, you should know best.

part of which statistics?

i'm loving this, this is so oxymoronic, where's the action in inaction? :bsmilie: so some problems are best dealt with without doing anything, they are still problems, but it's alright.

of course no one knows for sure. but it does seem that alot of people are not ready. i.e. there's no need for a critique corner. people still get helped in the other galleries minus the anxiety they get in posting in critique corner, isn't that better?

 

[night86mare]

Suggestion:

Why not let the Mods and SuperUsers review the Critique Corner threads before they are allowed to be put up?

Generates a lot more work, that's for sure, but at least a whole load of people looking for CP and nothing else would be removed from the picture. And thus, the quality will be improved, and people will actually bother to try to make an effort.

 

[eikin]

Suggestion:

Why not let the Mods and SuperUsers review the Critique Corner threads before they are allowed to be put up?

Generates a lot more work, that's for sure, but at least a whole load of people looking for CP and nothing else would be removed from the picture. And thus, the quality will be improved, and people will actually bother to try to make an effort.

will you pay a fee for that?

 

[night86mare]

will you pay a fee for that?

Pay fee to post up Critique?

Hell no, the last few times I put up any Critique things I didn't quite get enough Critique, imagine if I pay $5 and then 2 people comment!

Can always recruit more voluntary SuperUsers to do the job. =/

 

[Kit]

part of which statistics?

i'm loving this, this is so oxymoronic, where's the action in inaction? :bsmilie: so some problems are best dealt with without doing anything, they are still problems, but it's alright.

of course no one knows for sure. but it does seem that alot of people are not ready. i.e. there's no need for a critique corner. people still get helped in the other galleries minus the anxiety they get in posting in critique corner, isn't that better?

So that's where your inaction become action isn't it? Let nature takes it course. Those who are willing to learn can ask for critics anytime, anywhere they want to. For those intolerant to criticisms, I just tag them as they are and they will not hear a word from me ever. Compared to a regulated environment, I don't see how this is not going to work. Talking about complacency...... do we not live in a highly regulated environment? And you didn't think regulation nutures complacency as well? Come on....

 

[pai]

i think this has been suggested before... can it be done like buy and sell forum?

need to read the guidelines before starting a thread, then need to fill in a form to create it? with a few guiding questions.

yes sure, some ppl will just click past the guidelines. and others will just ignore the questions. but it may get the attention of new users who didn't read the sticky. and it may guide newbies towards what critique givers look for when reacting to a picture.

yes, it'll become more troublesome to post pix for c&c. but if can't even take time to click 'have read guidelines" and fill in a form, then maybe the person isn't so interested anyway. no loss right?

as for the not so helpful critique posts... why not just live with them. they don't cancel out the other comments in the thread. more important to encourage ppl who care to give useful comments than to stress over the "good job!" stuff in between...

 

[eikin]

Pay fee to post up Critique?

Hell no, the last few times I put up any Critique things I didn't quite get enough Critique, imagine if I pay $5 and then 2 people comment!

Can always recruit more voluntary SuperUsers to do the job. =/

well, if we charge a fee, the number of critique seekers will probably drop as well, so you'll probably be given the attention you deserve, isn't that right? :angel:

btw $5 looks alittle low ... oh well, things you do which people think are worthless :bsmilie:

 

[allsmilez]

Critque corner: The REAL DEAL: Please hurt me bad, I want to learn.

and

Critique corner: The Flower treatment: My heart is weak, please be nice

To build on what Sjourn is thinking, along the lines of 2 subforums, maybe a "newbie critique corner" and the other a "members critique corner" can be established.

In all honesty, many of the pics at critique are like from people trying out their camera for the first time, just getting into photography, the thought process is not really there and i guess they're excited at posting something up regardless of quality. These guys who are just picking the hobby up (myself included) need a different kind of guidance, and this can be served by having a newbie critique corner, just like we've got a newbie's general subforum. Those who comment will then adjust their criticisms with the photographers skill level in mind.

On the other hand, there are some smashing good pictures on CC. These will definitely benefit from the more nit-picky comments like...this part distracting, contrast needs tweaking etc etc...Posters here will be more experienced photographers and with that, *cross fingers* more mature in receiving criticism.

 

[eikin]

So that's where your inaction become action isn't it? Let nature takes it course. Those who are willing to learn can ask for critics anytime, anywhere they want to. For those intolerant to criticisms, I just tag them as they are and they will not hear a word from me ever. Compared to a regulated environment, I don't see how this is not going to work. Talking about complacency...... do we not live in a highly regulated environment? And you didn't think regulation nutures complacency as well? Come on....

when the regulated environment becomes problematic, inaction by it's inhabitants only allows the environment to continue it's course of development.

action can't be oneway, which is why the critique corner isn't going anywhere anyway. action has been performed in attempt to correct the inaction in the forum, by informing the uninformed, but the informed remained in inaction.

 

[night86mare]

well, if we charge a fee, the number of critique seekers will probably drop as well, so you'll probably be given the attention you deserve, isn't that right? :angel:

btw $5 looks alittle low ... oh well, things you do which people think are worthless :bsmilie:

"Attention I deserve"? 0.o

Attention I seek! =D Deserve or not, don't know.

Wa, but I poor leh, so end up I also won't post. =( $5 too low? But I take about 5 minutes to write my sort of "critique".. That's $60/hr rate for an online job!

Somebody start up one of those Online Critique work from home companies then! =D :bsmilie: :bsmilie:

 

[Kit]

when the regulated environment becomes problematic, inaction by it's inhabitants only allows the environment to continue it's course of development.

action can't be oneway, which is why the critique corner isn't going anywhere anyway. action has been performed in attempt to correct the inaction in the forum, by informing the uninformed, but the informed remained in inaction.

So how do you inform the uninformed? The problem stems from lack of regard to regulations which will be enforced by the moderators. So who are the informed ones that remain in inaction?