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yes... I agree.. Shanghai 100 is little bit flat.
But, I am not sure if it is the developing process (temperature) ? or is it the film that is the cause ?

I am almost done with my first 25 shots... now left with another box to play with :)

Looks like time to visit that place. They sell 4x5 film too right?
After 20 sheets im kinda sick of shanghai. Comes out very flat
 

yes... I agree.. Shanghai 100 is little bit flat.
But, I am not sure if it is the developing process (temperature) ? or is it the film that is the cause ?

I am almost done with my first 25 shots... now left with another box to play with :)

They are that flat. The best way is not in the developing but the taking. Try to take subject with more extreme lighting in the zone rather than evenly diffused lighting. Developing your film with a bit of additional hydroquinone helps in making it better. (Don't underestimate shanghai 100 grey level, but careful of developer PH when adding hydroquinone)

Hope it helps :)
Vege Bird
 

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They are that flat. The best way is not in the developing but the taking. Try to take subject with more extreme lighting in the zone rather than evenly diffused lighting. Developing your film with a bit of additional hydroquinone helps in making it better. (Don't underestimate shanghai 100 grey level, but careful of developer PH when adding hydroquinone)

Hope it helps :)
Vege Bird

Also special thanks to a friend of mine who visited Japan few months ago to help me bring back such nice film "cosmetic" powder :). I am running low in hydroquinone and local chemical supplier is asking me if I am getting 1KG from them. -_-"
 

Also special thanks to a friend of mine who visited Japan few months ago to help me bring back such nice film "cosmetic" powder :). I am running low in hydroquinone and local chemical supplier is asking me if I am getting 1KG from them. -_-"

I still got the half from the last time.. if you want i can sell you. :)
 

I still got the half from the last time.. if you want i can sell you. :)

I saw the Shanghai processed in China all have very nice shades and certainly not flat.
Is it because they use a higher dose of Hydroquinone?
 

I saw the Shanghai processed in China all have very nice shades and certainly not flat.
Is it because they use a higher dose of Hydroquinone?

Vege Bird never tried processing from China before and cannot comment on such. But it can say that shanghai has a very wide grey level and potential to record high level of detail. (Newbie's knowledge) Thus, it is suggesting to take photos in wide zone level. Hydroquinone are know to increase contrast for film developing. While it prefers lower contrast and wider zone level developing as that will allows better darkroom print, a higher contrast will be prefer for direct film viewing or scanning as it don't think that high detail will be display from the monitor as most will be lost in the mid and end process. :)

Vege Bird...
 

For your information:

测试目的:评估上海GP3 120 胶片的真实感光度,正确的显影时间,及其特性曲线。
测试方法:参考亚当斯《论摄影〉及蒋载荣《黑白摄影精技〉中的胶片测试方法,并作出少许优化。
测试器材:

1、哈苏照相机一台,A16后背
2、镜头:80mm
3、ILFORD ID-11显影液(等同D-76),1:1 稀释,ILFORD 快速定影,1:4稀释,定影5分钟。
5、X-Rite 密度计
6、Jobo 1520 显影罐,电机控制定速旋转冲洗。


测试结果:

1. 感光度测试:
感光度测试的方法是以不同的感光度,按照I区曝光,以厂商提供的标准显影时间冲洗,达到0.1净密度的为真实感光度。
GP3提供的参考显影时间为D76原液6-10分钟,跨度太大,简直不知所云。经广泛搜索,依据网上众多网友的经验,以D76 1:1稀释显影14分钟作为参考。

ID-11 1:1稀释,显影时间14分钟得到各个不同感光度在 I 区曝光的胶片密度

感光度: 片基(无曝光) 100 50 25 12
密度: 0.05 0.06 0.08 0.15 0.24
净密度: 0.01 0.03 0.10 0.19

可见,上海GP3 120 胶片的真实感光度在25度。

2. 正确显影时间的测试
正确显影时间的测试方法,是以已经测试得到的感光度(ISO 25),依次按照I至VIII区曝光,以I区净密度0.1,VIII区净密度1.25的显影时间为正确显影时间。

ID-11 1:1稀释,显影时间14分钟得到的I至VIII区的胶片密度

区域: 片基(无曝光) I II III IV V VI VII VIII
密度: 0.05 0.15 0.25 0.39 0.55 0.75 0.94 1.15 1.31
净密度: 0.10 0.2 0.34 0.50 0.70 0.89 1.10 1.26

由此可见,14分钟的显影,正好可以使I区保持0.10的净密度,同时使VIII区达到1.26的净密度(理想值为1.25),此即正确显影时间。

由测试数据,我们可以得到胶片的曝光-密度曲线
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总结:

1、可能是最便宜的120胶卷。
2、为获得完美暗部影调,真实感光度须低至25,实用性很差。
3、有低感光度高反差倾向,类似Kodak TMAX。理由为若以ISO 50 拍摄,其I区净密度仅为0.03-0.05,即使控制显影时间确保VIII区密度,整体反差仍然很大。
4、片基通透,比公元135和4x5胶片强,表现为片基密度很低(0.05),接近Kodak TMAX和Fuji Across的水平。片基很薄,强度很差。
5、确认不含防光晕层,因显影或水浴倒出的液体没有变色(含防光晕层的胶片,水浴后倒出的液体一般呈深墨绿色)。
6、做工极其低劣,开封及拍完后密封的纸条超烂,完全没有档次;且不说洋胶卷,比乐凯都差一大截;不知道上海人怎么想的,胶卷都造出来了,那一小条密封纸能值几分钱!
7、颗粒度尚未测试,好在其只有120胶卷,好像也有4x5页片,还是经得起放大的。

How I used it before :

Exposed at ASA 100
Water soak 30 seconds
D76 developer 1:1
Develop 20C 9min 30second
Acetic acid 1000:1 stop bath
Fixer 7 minute
Water bath 30 min
 

My Chinese not that good lea, most are learn from Dragonball and random reading of Chinese material.;)

From experience, point 4 is very true.

片基很薄,强度很差

As for the chart, I am guessing that's the range of the film level. But I think I bring to OP boss when free to have him explain to me. I don't know what film density, EV chart and other stuff are called in Chinese as I talk stuff like D, D-level, EV to him in English and he understands :)
 

bro,

my guess is the temperature difference.
The film and chemicals reacts differently at different temperature. Will try with bucket of ice next time ;)

Billy
 

Recently my exposures were made in the late afternoon after the rain so the light is very very soft.

Kinda hard to get out recently due to the weather

My rusty grasp of the chinese language; The real ISO of shanghai 100 is 25? Its recommendable to expose it as if its 50 iso.

Oh wootsk If you getting some Hydroquinone powder, Can i get some from you to try?

How exactly do you use it? Add a few grams into your diluted developer?
 

bro,

my guess is the temperature difference.
The film and chemicals reacts differently at different temperature. Will try with bucket of ice next time ;)

Billy

Can try for testing purpose, but temperature different hardly affect greyscale level. They affect more of developing level like chance of getting uneven developing and other stuff.
 

Recently my exposures were made in the late afternoon after the rain so the light is very very soft.

Kinda hard to get out recently due to the weather

My rusty grasp of the chinese language; The real ISO of shanghai 100 is 25? Its recommendable to expose it as if its 50 iso.

Oh wootsk If you getting some Hydroquinone powder, Can i get some from you to try?

How exactly do you use it? Add a few grams into your diluted developer?

Depending on your developer (I uses HC110 and D76 for most testing), you will need to test PH level to check how much increase in PH there is. Layman method will be an increase in 10- 25 percent. That will be around 2-4G and see any difference first. I find it pain to see a good print film like Shanghai 100 critic just because it doesn't looks that good for scan. Hope Vege Bird provide some help. :)
 

that is very interesting... can try...
expose based on ISO-50 ( meaning over-expose ), then while developing, under develop the film ;)

let me try to do this.... haha.


Recently my exposures were made in the late afternoon after the rain so the light is very very soft.

Kinda hard to get out recently due to the weather

My rusty grasp of the chinese language; The real ISO of shanghai 100 is 25? Its recommendable to expose it as if its 50 iso.

Oh wootsk If you getting some Hydroquinone powder, Can i get some from you to try?

How exactly do you use it? Add a few grams into your diluted developer?
 

That means I have been overexposing it by 2 stops? O.O
No wonder people say B&W negatives are forgiving!!

Anywhere to get light box locally thats calibrated?

Interest check guys, anyone up for shoot on mon 7 nov? Public holiday!
 

Ops.. yes... 2 stops it is.. sorry, my bad.

I was looking at the developing chart again :
For 28 deg C, developing time is 7 mins
For 20 deg C, developing time is 14 mins
For 14 deg C, developing time is 21 mins.

in other words, for the same chemical concentration, the developing time doubles every 7 deg change ( approximately ). This also means that this developer of the coating on the film is very sensitive to temperature.

If we further expose the film , and then play with temperature during developing. I am quite sure that we should be able to see some differences here :)

That means I have been overexposing it by 2 stops? O.O
No wonder people say B&W negatives are forgiving!!

Anywhere to get light box locally thats calibrated?

Interest check guys, anyone up for shoot on mon 7 nov? Public holiday!
 



First 3 slides done with Fujihunt chemicals! Will scan them in tomorrow! 2 Velvia 50 sheets and 1 Ektachrome sheet!
 

mann... this is cool. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:



First 3 slides done with Fujihunt chemicals! Will scan them in tomorrow! 2 Velvia 50 sheets and 1 Ektachrome sheet!
 



First 3 slides done with Fujihunt chemicals! Will scan them in tomorrow! 2 Velvia 50 sheets and 1 Ektachrome sheet!

gorgeous one! Imaging viewing these through light box!!
 

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