Higher cost for Photographer or Lower margin for Organiser

[Deadpoet]

yqt, my biggest objection is the fact that one small group is baring a larger portion of the burden.

Of corse, CS can do whatever they want. We as member can also do whatever we want, by not coming here. We like it here, so, we want this place to contineu to thrive. But targetting a small group to take on disproportionately large burden in something we should have second thoughts.

 

[Caspere]

yqt, my biggest objection is the fact that one small group is baring a larger portion of the burden.

Of corse, CS can do whatever they want. We as member can also do whatever we want, by not coming here. We like it here, so, we want this place to contineu to thrive. But targetting a small group to take on disproportionately large burden in something we should have second thoughts.

I seem to recell that the CS Admin targetted the commercial sellers on B&S first. Those that sells NEW local and NEW Grey items were required to register and pay for the advertising, were they not?

Similarly, the CS Admin are thus just expanding the programme to include "commercial" organizers or people who organize for "gain" or "profit".

I think the question here should be the possibility/ability to distingush between "commercial" and fun/free/irregular organizers.

 

[Caspere]

I strongly agree that CS Admin should target those who use CS for commercial gains to pay. :thumbsup:

 

[Deadpoet]

I seem to recell that the CS Admin targetted the commercial sellers on B&S first. Those that sells NEW local and NEW Grey items were required to register and pay for the advertising, were they not?

Similarly, the CS Admin are thus just expanding the programme to include "commercial" organizers or people who organize for "gain" or "profit".

I think the question here should be the possibility/ability to distingush between "commercial" and fun/free/irregular organizers.

You are right. We do have quite a few "commercial" sellers here in CS. They are paying, I have no problem with.

However, with photoshoot/workshop organisers, I do not see any distinction made between commercial and non-commercial organisers.

 

[Canonised]

I strongly agree that CS Admin should target those who use CS for commercial gains to pay. :thumbsup:

What if a "commercial" seller is willing to make "monetary losses" selling his wares to the CS members here .... say if his item is sold in public at $10 but he is willing to sell to CS members here for, say $7 .... (possible reason is that he may want to promote his brand/item here, or maybe he sincerely likes the "brothers" here, etc) .... and I am sure if he is asked to pay for his MO here, he will definately stay away, or maybe force to make less losses by increasing the offer price, thereby depriving CS members of some benefits ....:think:

 

[vince123123]

Actually the distinction was already made in the MO section. Even occassional MO or not full-time business folks who used to conduct MOs fall under the purview of the revised rules.

 

[CYRN]

For those who does business here... such charges are just extra cost (akin to Taxation on profit)

For who occasional / one-off organisers, they have to take it increased service cost (akin to GST and it's increment)

For those who dun wan to pay GST, can always go to M'sia or Batam....hahaha... it juz means that there are already a few other similar forums around liao...

 

[student]

Just like the other site that you mentioned, of which you're a nonpaying member, there must be something about that site for you to "frequent" but perhaps not enough for you to consider becoming a paying member.

Actually I am totally prepared to be a full paying member!

I am just lazy to do so, that's all!

 

[Long Thai Bean]

Similarly, I think members have equal rights not to post any pics from such shoots unless CS pays for them, lousy as they may be. So whilst I am willing to pay towards the organisers cost of having to advertise their shoots at the same time I think every particpant has the right to withhold posting pics from such shoots on CS (after all it is their IP) and post them somewhere else, unless CS is willing to pay for the pics since it has now become a commercial issue.

I find this a rather amusing if not illogical line of argument .... almost like tit for tat ... :bsmilie:

 

[Darren]

The discussion here has been largely academic and, as it was based on information which we had hoped to discuss and finetune with the organisers but was "leaked" out, for better or for worse, has now taken the a different tangent, and we believe, blown out of proportion.

Nevertheless, we have taken very seriously the feedback contained here, as well as in messages and discussions with others (organisers and members alike), and we can now publish the proposed subscription plan that will take effect February 1st and which we have now published in the Workshops/Shoots section.

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With effect from 1st February 2007, the Workshops, Studio/Model Shoots section will require a subscription to gain access and create new threads. Workshops and Shoot Organisers can select from one of the following subscription options:

Access to create threads in Workshops, Studio/Model Shoots Section
- S$15 for a single thread*; or
- S$165 for 3 months; or
- S$300 for 6 months
- PM mailbox size increased to 300 PMs.**
- Updated Member Title to reflect status as "Workshop/Shoot Organiser".**

One Sticky Thread in Workshops, Studio/Model Shoots Section and access to create threads
- S$195 for 3 months; or
- S$375 for 6 months
- Includes ability to create threads in Workshops, Studio/Model Shoots Section.
- PM mailbox size increased to 300 PMs.*
- Updated Member Title to reflect status as "Workshop/Shoot Organiser".*

** Only for monthly subscriptions.

Note:
* For single thread subscriptions, member will have access for 48 hours to create a thread. Members who opt for the single thread subscriptions will not enjoy the enlarged PM mailbox sizes nor the updated member title. Enlarged PM mailboxes and updated titles will only be given to the monthly subscribers.

Instant activation of access rights via online Paypal subscription is available by clicking here and selecting the appropriate subscription option.

In addition, we are increasing the maximum number of threads allowed per Organiser to 8 active threads with effect from 1st February 2007.

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Please take some time to go through the above and as the cost information is now public knowledge, members can calculate the nett effect of the subscription charges which, based on our calculations and observations from past shoots, works out to be between $1-$1.50 per participant per shoot if the organiser is subscribed to a monthly option.

 

[Canonised]

Please confirm whether the rates above are inclusive of GST .... :think:
If inclusive, will the rate change when the new GST rate kicks in ...?

 

[xziredmp]

from what i see, its fairly reasonable. expensive or not. i think its ok for now.

but like from what i see in the workshops segment. people are offering 17yr olds up for shoots !

i personally believe there should be some guidelines being placed to prevent getting the photographers into trouble.

:nono:

 

[blazingflames18]

from what i see, its fairly reasonable. expensive or not. i think its ok for now.

but like from what i see in the workshops segment. people are offering 17yr olds up for shoots !

i personally believe there should be some guidelines being placed to prevent getting the photographers into trouble.

:nono:

unlikely..... 17yr olds think they can make some easy money out from some of you :devil:

 

[xziredmp]

unlikely..... 17yr olds think they can make some easy money out from some of you :devil:

why not take it as they are trying to make a quick buck before having to pay to start creating a thread on the 1st feb onwards ??

personally from what i see. they are taking this last chance to earn a quick buck before the mods swop in and delete all those threads that do not belong to the subscribers.

well.. i have been here for long, but from previous searches, there has been discussions on shooting models who are underage.

but then again. i DO consider 17yr old to be underage. i do not care if they have potential for miss singapore or etc etc.

i am considering what image it will give to others who surf CS and do not register themselves as member.

or worse. influence other kids who think that they can be model and start thinking that they can make a quick buck by saying that they are "upcoming / new / young sweet" models.

 

[Deadpoet]

why not take it as they are trying to make a quick buck before having to pay to start creating a thread on the 1st feb onwards ??

personally from what i see. they are taking this last chance to earn a quick buck before the mods swop in and delete all those threads that do not belong to the subscribers.

well.. i have been here for long, but from previous searches, there has been discussions on shooting models who are underage.

but then again. i DO consider 17yr old to be underage. i do not care if they have potential for miss singapore or etc etc.

i am considering what image it will give to others who surf CS and do not register themselves as member.

or worse. influence other kids who think that they can be model and start thinking that they can make a quick buck by saying that they are "upcoming / new / young sweet" models.

wrong thread and serious OT here.

 

[Caspere]

why not take it as they are trying to make a quick buck before having to pay to start creating a thread on the 1st feb onwards ??

personally from what i see. they are taking this last chance to earn a quick buck before the mods swop in and delete all those threads that do not belong to the subscribers.

well.. i have been here for long, but from previous searches, there has been discussions on shooting models who are underage.

but then again. i DO consider 17yr old to be underage. i do not care if they have potential for miss singapore or etc etc.

i am considering what image it will give to others who surf CS and do not register themselves as member.

or worse. influence other kids who think that they can be model and start thinking that they can make a quick buck by saying that they are "upcoming / new / young sweet" models.

Start another thread please. Not appropriate here.

 

[inthepink]

From an organiser's point of view, the subscription option isn't necessarily a bad thing. It does tend to weed out the newbies who are out to make a quick buck, and that in turn gives the rest of the organisers more breathing space.

On the other hand, with less competition around, is the quality of organised shoots going to go steadily downhill? I don't think so, because we have to constantly seek to improve or in the very least maintain a consistency in standard or word will get around. And, will the increasingly monopolistic nature of shoot organisers translate to higher fees for participants? I don't think so either, because as Darren has already mentioned, the extra costs work out to be very minimal when you divide per participant.

Only one problem for me as far as I can see... what am I going to do with the 8 threads that I'm allowed to start each month? At my current rate, I'm only organising two threads a month, and the other organisers perhaps 4 threads a month. Is this going to give rise to a new flood of organised shoots that compromise quality for quantity?

I hope I'm not too incoherent here. It's hard trying to think about money when your head is all heavy and you're on MC!

 

[Deadpoet]

With fewer organisers, it becomes a supply and demand thing. Prices for model shoots and workshops will go up. It's economics, it's business, it's life.

 

[vince123123]

I'm not sure why people are giving out false scares with issues of underaged. There is no such thing as being underaged for a photography shoot, so spare us the false voodoo hunts.

 

[yqt]

Actually I am totally prepared to be a full paying member!

I am just lazy to do so, that's all!

Lazy? that's one word I find hard to associate with yourself :bsmilie: :bsmilie:

If the site is worth your time and money, I'm sure it have something good to offer you. I won't mind knowing what is the site