Higher cost for Photographer or Lower margin for Organiser
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Maybe what we can do as members is to round down our bank account each week to the nearest dollar, by transferring those extra cents to a kitty for CS.
Even if its 99 cents for a week, it costs us only approx $52.
If its 1 cent each week, then its only $0.52
With the number of members here, we could probably get one of the people here elected to MP for the next election, that is, if we can ever agree on the candidate, the mandate, or even the platform, in the first place.
However, its good to hear all views, even the not so popular ones.
Even if its 99 cents for a week, it costs us only approx $52.
If its 1 cent each week, then its only $0.52
With the number of members here, we could probably get one of the people here elected to MP for the next election, that is, if we can ever agree on the candidate, the mandate, or even the platform, in the first place.
However, its good to hear all views, even the not so popular ones.
I can say for sure, this is not gonna work... its just too much trouble, and if it really happen, people who seldom visit CS will complaint, making all the complaint endless.
my 2c,
Well at least it keeps such organisers out... - http://forum.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=252694
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Long Thai Bean
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Link NOT working or GONE already ... So what was it about ????
Think the thread was annhiliated... :bsmilie:
The thread was asking for people to email the org at a certain email address to be entered into a mailing list for future updates by the org for model shoots. :bsmilie:
She doesn't want to pay :bsmilie:
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Here's another one :bsmilie: http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=246932
Why is it good for a system to deter people from makeing a quick buck? What is the difference between a quick buck and a slow one?
If organisers are not allow to make a profit, how can we incentify organisers and potential organisers to go through the trouble to bring shoots/workshops to us?
The inevitable is here. Brace for a price increase from the organisers. I don't blame them. But what irks me is that, a small percentage of CSers, mainly portrait photographers, is asked to pick up the slack.
Ogenkidesu
Member
The cost will need to be either absorbed by the organiser or passed on to the participants. I was wondering why can't we just let the market regulate itself. Fly-by-night, crappy organisers will get less "business" over time anyway. If really need to charge, then a yearly flat fee for organisers may be administrative less taxing and encourage these organisers to organise more shoots to "earn" back their "fees". just 2c of thoughts.
AncientMariner
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Whether to charge for using the site to promote the shoots is the prerogative of the site administration. However, I am most unhappy about the administration's move without notification to the general "populace" of CS.
If the admins thinks it is fit to charge organisers for posting announcement of their shoots on CS, so be it. Similarly, I think members have equal rights not to post any pics from such shoots unless CS pays for them, lousy as they may be. So whilst I am willing to pay towards the organisers cost of having to advertise their shoots at the same time I think every particpant has the right to withhold posting pics from such shoots on CS (after all it is their IP) and post them somewhere else, unless CS is willing to pay for the pics since it has now become a commercial issue.
As such, I propose those against CS changing their position from a website promoting photography for all to an income generating organisation should also withhold posting their pics on CS.
Thank you, and in case I am barred after this post, goodbye.
If the admins thinks it is fit to charge organisers for posting announcement of their shoots on CS, so be it. Similarly, I think members have equal rights not to post any pics from such shoots unless CS pays for them, lousy as they may be. So whilst I am willing to pay towards the organisers cost of having to advertise their shoots at the same time I think every particpant has the right to withhold posting pics from such shoots on CS (after all it is their IP) and post them somewhere else, unless CS is willing to pay for the pics since it has now become a commercial issue.
As such, I propose those against CS changing their position from a website promoting photography for all to an income generating organisation should also withhold posting their pics on CS.
Thank you, and in case I am barred after this post, goodbye.
Instead of asking the members organizing, why don't CS Admin think about how much they can get from this exercise monthly?
Is the EFFORT = TROUBLE = $$$ ?
You need to monitor, enforce, collect, and all this for how much?
Maybe if its $ XX needed, let's have another membership subscription drive for the CS Gallery isn't it better?
Member introduce member, lucky draws with prizes sponsored by Nikon/Canon, etc. ? ?
With occassional exceptions, I have enjoyed membership privileges here, for free!
I have never had any restrictions on the number of posts I can submit in any day. While there is some restrictions in the number of images that I can store in the gallery, the restrictions is of no consequence to me (right now I have no personal images in the gallery. In any case I have a habit of editing my images anyway).
In another website I frequent, as a nonpaying member, I am limited to one post a day. And I am limited to a certain number of images (very few!).
Personally, I do not think it is my business to ask the admin to disclose the financial aspects of keeping this forum running. But money must come from somewhere. One of the ways is to charge a advertisement cost. This is not unreasonable.
However, DP do have a point. There are all kinds of photography interests among members, such as nature, night photography, streets, video, and even B&S. But the members who are asked to pay are those who are interested in photographing people, particularly models. So members who are interested in model photography are asked to contribute to the running cost of the forum, while others ride free. Of course my assumption is that the cost of participating in model shoots will go up.
I think the admin may not have considered this discrepancy to certain members of the forum. I understand the need to raise money. But I would urge the admin to go back to the drawing board to think of a more equitable solution.
I don't see anything wrong with charging. We can't expect things to be free all the time. If you just want to share the cost of the shoot and not making any money out of it, why can't the cost of advertising be part of your cost to be shared? You pay the studio, MUA, model, why can't you pay for advertising?
My biggest problem is that portrait photgraphers are asked to take an unequal share of the burden. Nearly all, if not 100%, of the shoots and workshops are portraiture oriented. IS THAT FAIR?
My second biggest problem is, as you said, "...why can't you pay for advertising?" Ofcourse, I can, or have to. But for the occasional organiser, of first and last time organiser, is the cost justified? I heard something like $75/month. Can I fully expect to add that onto the one and only shoot I am organising?
Back to those joining model shoots, for the prolific organisers, the cost is probably justifiable, and they may actually be able to bare the cost. For those organising now and then, they will diasppear. Do we want that to happen?
I can understand what you're trying to put across. $75/-mth is a little high if you're just org a one off event. Perhaps the admins can consider a lower fee for those one off event, they did after all said that this thread will be kept opened to get feedback.
At the same time, and I'm speaking from a personnal point of view, if I want to org a one off shoot, I'll most likely do it with my friends and others I know personnaly here. After all, if I'm not making any money out of this, why should I open it to just anyone? For this I'll most likely do it through PM, phone or emails.
Cheers!!!
If the admin wants to, they can do it. It's their site, just that for every action, there'll be a recation from the CSers here. If one day, CS become one big money making machine, than the people here will have to relook at their membership to see if it's worth their time and money to stay here. Just like the other site that you mentioned, of which you're a nonpaying member, there must be something about that site for you to "frequent" but perhaps not enough for you to consider becoming a paying member.
Cheers !
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