Guidelines for posting for services wanted

[ortega]

as per title, i suggest some guidelines or form for posting of services wanted
around the same as the B&S treads

I have seen this being suggested by a few people
do consider

TIA

 

[Darren]

as per title, i suggest some guidelines or form for posting of services wanted
around the same as the B&S treads

I have seen this being suggested by a few people
do consider

TIA

Noted and working on it.

 

[ortega]

Noted and working on it.

that was fast

thanks, it should make things clearer for both photogs and TS

 

[roygoh]

Do bear in mind that once guidelines similar to B&S is applied for service wanted/offered, then there should be no more OT, open price bargaining, thread crashing etc. Anyone can ask for whole day event photography service offering just $1 or a bag of peanuts as compensation, and no one should go into that thread criticizing the ad poster.

 

[reflecx]

Do bear in mind that once guidelines similar to B&S is applied for service wanted/offered, then there should be no more OT, open price bargaining, thread crashing etc. Anyone can ask for whole day event photography service offering just $1 or a bag of peanuts as compensation, and no one should go into that thread criticizing the ad poster.

Can't wait for it to happen .... so many ugly threads previously.

 

[Deadpoet]

Can't wait for it to happen .... so many ugly threads previously.

Think before you jump on more guidelines, rules and regulations!

 

[ortega]

Do bear in mind that once guidelines similar to B&S is applied for service wanted/offered, then there should be no more OT, open price bargaining, thread crashing etc. Anyone can ask for whole day event photography service offering just $1 or a bag of peanuts as compensation, and no one should go into that thread criticizing the ad poster.

it would make the information provided clearer

can still go in and ups for them?
wish them well?

 

[satellitemh]

Hello.

I could not find the guidelines and am not sure what I am allowed to post.

I would like to get a group of photographers to take some pictures (I will provide the model etc) but they have to allow me to use the pictures for my online store. Is that allowed? Sorry, I am not sure how to send you a u2u.

Thanks

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

Hello.

I could not find the guidelines and am not sure what I am allowed to post.

I would like to get a group of photographers to take some pictures (I will provide the model etc) but they have to allow me to use the pictures for my online store. Is that allowed? Sorry, I am not sure how to send you a u2u.

Thanks

pics of model 1st, then how many pics do you want, how many photographer per session, any credits given to the photographer? etc etc...

 

[satellitemh]

Thank you.

I take it I can just post the details without going through anyone for approval.

 

[yqt]

Do bear in mind that once guidelines similar to B&S is applied for service wanted/offered, then there should be no more OT, open price bargaining, thread crashing etc. Anyone can ask for whole day event photography service offering just $1 or a bag of peanuts as compensation, and no one should go into that thread criticizing the ad poster.

I think this cuts both ways.
On the one hand we want to keep the thread clean while making sure that photographers are not exploited. If we have the same sets of rules as B&S than we may not be able to educate both the TSer and the respondent of what is the cost and practices in the actual market. Given that many "clients" either don't know the real cost of commercial photography and they want it as cheap as possible, exploitation, knowingly or not, will occur.
As the biggest photography website in SG, I think we, all of us, have a responsibility to at least try, to educate those who come here about the cost and practice in the market and not provide a platform for other to exploit photographers and in the long run, cheapen photography as a whole.

Just my 2 cts worth.

 

[student]

... while making sure that photographers are not exploited...

... Given that many "clients" either don't know the real cost of commercial photography and they want it as cheap as possible, exploitation, knowingly or not, will occur....

.....I think we, all of us, have a responsibility to at least try, to educate those who come here about the cost and practice in the market and not provide a platform for other to exploit photographers and in the long run, cheapen photography as a whole.

I beg to differ.

The "client" is entitled to decide how much he/she wishes to pay the photographer. To want to buy as cheaply as possible is not exploitation. It is good sense.

However, no photographer is obliged to accept this offer. Sellers do not have to accept cheap offers from buyers. Nobody is pointing a gun at your head to accept such offers. If no one takes up the offer, there is no exploitation.

If members here seriously want to protect fellow photographers from being exploited, then they should educate their fellow photographers, not the clients.

If no one accepts the clients' offer, then the clients will have to consider upping their offer.

 

[wildstallion]

I beg to differ.

The "client" is entitled to decide how much he/she wishes to pay the photographer. To want to buy as cheaply as possible is not exploitation. It is good sense.

However, no photographer is obliged to accept this offer. Sellers do not have to accept cheap offers from buyers. Nobody is pointing a gun at your head to accept such offers. If no one takes up the offer, there is no exploitation.

If members here seriously want to protect fellow photographers from being exploited, then they should educate their fellow photographers, not the clients.

If no one accepts the clients' offer, then the clients will have to consider upping their offer.

I agree with you, the problem isn't with the client, thats just good business sense, although they should be prepared and know what there money is going to get them (which many don't, they think they can get great professional results for only $20, for example). Photographers need to learn what is an acceptable offer and what is just ridiculous.

 

[student]

....although they should be prepared and know what there money is going to get them (which many don't, they think they can get great professional results for only $20, for example).....

I can agree with that as a principle.

Let me play the devil's advocate for the moment.

For certain professions, such as medicine, there are guidelines to fees set by the professional medical body. And professionals have to be accredited to be of a certain standing to be able to demand certain fees. For example, a medical officer and junior specialist cannot expect to charge the same amount as the senior consultant. And it is the rare patient who seeks to demand to pay MO fees to a senior consultant!

I am speaking from pure ignorance, but I do not know if there are accreditation standards for wedding photographers. And if there are none, how are costs determined? Supply and demand?

Photographers need to learn what is an acceptable offer and what is just ridiculous.

Knowing what the industry charges is always important. But some, for obvious reasons, may chose to accept ridiculous offers for whatever reasons of their own.

 

[wildstallion]

Knowing what the industry charges is always important. But some, for obvious reasons, may chose to accept ridiculous offers for whatever reasons of their own.

Which in a dog eat dog world is acceptable, people just need to be prepared for the outcome.

 

[ortega]

maybe CS should charge the cheapos some money for making the post
just as other forums charge photogs posting there?

another source of revenue for CS

 

[leotitude79]

Dunno setting a minimum post quoto will works or not. Say posting in services wanted minimum 200 posts to eligible to post......This way only active members can post and he also know the people.

Just some thought.

Cheers.

 

[ortega]

Dunno setting a minimum post quoto will works or not. Say posting in services wanted minimum 200 posts to eligible to post......This way only active members can post and he also know the people.

Just some thought.

Cheers.

sounds like a good idea, thanks

 

[ortega]

maybe, let the photogs post their services and portfolio
and the clients decide and contact the photog instead

i feel that this would give the photog more respect
instead of the client post a service wanted and the photogs
rush to pm/email the client.

 

[zcf]

Dunno setting a minimum post quoto will works or not. Say posting in services wanted minimum 200 posts to eligible to post......This way only active members can post and he also know the people.

Just some thought.

Cheers.

That may prohibit some genuine service seeking client (with reasonalble pay) from getting the service from CSer, and end up some of our CSers and the client lose out :sweat:

How about those who willing to work for free/very low just to gain experience/portfolio, so CS will deny their chance? Or they have to advertise themselves as "free/low pay" photographer available to build portfolio?

I thought CSer not only for the Pro/semi-pro photographers only, just my hobbyish thinking :sweat: