Never mentioned a 400mm lens so pls don't misquote. You are right in saying that the setup should be mounted on the lens collar and that you should be holding the lens instead of the body. However, try doing mf on a 300mm (for fine focusing) or basically having to manipulate any function on the lens and i think you will find that during that few moments, you are actually holding the camera body more than the lens. This of course only applies to hand holding shots. And before anyone asks, yes i do hand hold a 300mm f2.8 regularly when it is not convenient to mount up a tripod, monopod.
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icarus
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Gymrat76 said:
What are you waiting for??
Try getting these on digital (without doing any post processing)
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=129898
Get any film camera + slides and join us in our slides outing... abandon your DSLRs!
btw, Sensia 100 is going at 6.90 incl of processing at fotohub... this is a great op for u to try out slides at a minimal cost.
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icarus
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Gymrat76 said:
hehee... come join the REAL darkside....
Here are more to convince you :
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=133066 :devil:
Kimura_papaya
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Gymrat76 said:
here are some of my humble opinion..it only respresent my own point of view...just to share with u.
don go for too highend film body at the moment..it will takes u more learning curve time to familiarize with high tech feature....f80 is sitting in between low end to pro - series body like f5..there are lots of good feature inherited from f5 such as continuous framing shooting and mutiple burst in one frame...10 dynamics focus area metering....it is good enuff to play with...so not to worry abt super advance feature..
f80 metering consider a very solid, compact build medium class film SLR..even some senior photog still likes it today...responsive...yet hardly give problem...not much of big diff compare to F100...except for multiple burst contiuous shoot film advancing..and shuttle speed... i found a truth on film body is, essential point lies with the types of film u use...pick up one good brand and stick to it...feature wise...is only acting as tools that help u to form a good picture...
ultimately, composition of picture is still a counts, it determine skill level of every young photographer like us.....Be it a super or not super pro-series body...camera is only acting as a tools to photographer.....getting a very complicated body will only create more confusing to amatuer like us yet does not help us learn how to shoot a good picture.
perhaps after u really likes and fall in love with film shooting..then u start consider on F5..not too late...a brand new f5 only cost abt SGD3000..not too exp though.
Much has been made of the wonderful technology that goes into the pro bodies, but in my experience, putting the F80 on "Program" mode and matrix metering gets me the shots 99% of the time. Either in good light, or if light is iffy, on a dedicated Nikon flash, using D-type Nikkor lenses.
Unless you're shooting in a studio (in which case you have the variables worked out anyway and are in "Manual" mode), any of these cameras will be good enough, seeing that you have an awesome lens (70-200VR) to put in front of it. Focussing lag will likely not be an issue even on an F80.
I'm using an F100 because I sometimes do fast action (1 roll continuous) on a shoestring budget (80-200 f/2.8, 2nd edition). This lens is heavy and slow (though still not as slow as my 70-300ED).
My take :
1. F80 will be adequate for your needs for now. Add to it a sense of familiarity, as you're used to the D70.
2. F100 will be something that you will not need to upgrade. It's "pro" enough for most uses.
3. If you regularly get yourself into tricky shooting situations where you must make the shot or you lose your job, then get the F5. But then, if you reckon that shot is so critical, I'd use the money and buy 2 F100s ... just in case.
BTW, welcome to the world of slides ! Make the first roll Velvia 50, on colorful test subjects (not people !), e.g. landscapes, flora ... and watch yourself being hooked into a path of no return :bsmilie:
Unless you're shooting in a studio (in which case you have the variables worked out anyway and are in "Manual" mode), any of these cameras will be good enough, seeing that you have an awesome lens (70-200VR) to put in front of it. Focussing lag will likely not be an issue even on an F80.
I'm using an F100 because I sometimes do fast action (1 roll continuous) on a shoestring budget (80-200 f/2.8, 2nd edition). This lens is heavy and slow (though still not as slow as my 70-300ED).
My take :
1. F80 will be adequate for your needs for now. Add to it a sense of familiarity, as you're used to the D70.
2. F100 will be something that you will not need to upgrade. It's "pro" enough for most uses.
3. If you regularly get yourself into tricky shooting situations where you must make the shot or you lose your job, then get the F5. But then, if you reckon that shot is so critical, I'd use the money and buy 2 F100s ... just in case.
BTW, welcome to the world of slides ! Make the first roll Velvia 50, on colorful test subjects (not people !), e.g. landscapes, flora ... and watch yourself being hooked into a path of no return :bsmilie:
Gymrat76 said:
The matrix meter on the F5 actually "sees" the situation, recognizing the different hues and shades of colours (RGB sensitive) and comparing it to its database of over donno how many shot algorithms (forgot stats) to give u the correct exposure setting.
Though i do use the D70, i don't think that it has this function within its metering. Good qn though, made me think about it too. :think:
F5user said:
Hmmmm I thought D70 is supposed to have the same metering as the D2H and that should mean that it is supposed to be better than F5 metering. But In a nutshell, I do not really see a big diff in the matrix metering as they work equally well in "normal" situation. other than that I guess you have to switch to spot and do the usual tricks...
Anyways, regarding the film bodies, F5 and F100 are great bodies with very wonderful handling and balance. I used to be shooting with F100 and sometimes F5 and my Primary Film is Fuji Provia 100 RDP and have excellent results. My first DSLR is D70 and i can tell you from my experience after using F100 moving to D70 is a pain. Maybe it is just me.... I Just find that D70 does not have as good a feel and balance as compared to my F100. When holding the D70, I just felt that the camera is unbalanced with my lenses on it as compared to F100. Maybe I am just the Oddball. Anyways, I would recommend F100 but not F5 cos F6 is out and why buy F5 when F6 is the so called enhanced/bug fixed version of F5. Anyways, only problem I face with F100 is that it has no MLU but that is not a big deal to me. And 1 bad thing is that if you are using in a dusty enviroment, F100 film chamber is phone to dust. Somehow it is a design flaw.
After typing so much, all i wanna say is that F100 is a wonderful camera and the only thing to beware is that buy a pro film body and you will hate the feel of D70...
Welcome to the dark side..... :devil:
Ok... i just came off the phone from tech dept at my company who deals with nikon's consignments...
For film bodys, the F5 and F6 are currently the only bodies who use the RGB based sensor for its meter.
As for Nikon's DSLRs, yup, the d70 has the same rgb based meter, but its algorithm count is around 60% less than of the F series meters, BUT the D2h and the D2x all have this same sensor (as the F5), but with 3 times the database for meter reference, crucial for its digital exposures.
Honestly, this meter makes a big difference especially when shooting chromes in my opinion, and shouldn't really matter much on digital bodies as all you have to do is hit the "delete" button. :bsmilie:
For film bodys, the F5 and F6 are currently the only bodies who use the RGB based sensor for its meter.
As for Nikon's DSLRs, yup, the d70 has the same rgb based meter, but its algorithm count is around 60% less than of the F series meters, BUT the D2h and the D2x all have this same sensor (as the F5), but with 3 times the database for meter reference, crucial for its digital exposures.
Honestly, this meter makes a big difference especially when shooting chromes in my opinion, and shouldn't really matter much on digital bodies as all you have to do is hit the "delete" button. :bsmilie:
icarus said:
Just sharing some memories of mine.
I remember hanging out at TCW a year back talking to Daniel, and watching some youngsters in JC uniform, duking it out over their D70s and 300ds, saying which one looks/feels more professional.
Daniel took out the F100 and plonked it on the table. Their first remark: "WAAAAAA... this one HOW MANY MEGAPIXEL AHHHH??"
He then took out the F5 and showed it to them, and said this one:" more mp than you can even think."
But seriously... these 2 film bodies were built to withstand almost anything. From the normal whether elements, to using it as self defence. (yup) In fact, one of my film colleagues used his F5 to Hantam some wild dogs who were chasing him back in his kampong at Port dickson, malaysia. 1 dog was knocked out cold, the other bit his camera grip, and BROKE its teeth.....
After that, he used the camera to take the picture of the 2 dogs, one on the ground, the other running away.
:bsmilie:
Gymrat76 said:Wow, thanks for that bit of useful information! So the F5's sensor is somewhere between that of the D70 (lower) and D2h/D2x (higher)..
I would say that the F5's sensor was the first in its class, and the first in ANY film body to incorporate that kind of technology.
Anything else was built around this, using the F5 as a bench mark including the D2 series of bodies....
Amongst the digital and film bodies i use, including the 2h and x, i still LOVE the metering on my F5, and use it as a bench mark for EVERY single new body i receive from my department as a benchmark for calibration before any outfield assignment i go for.
heehehehe..
just to make you more gian, here's a small little shot i took with my cheapo webcam.
http://gallery.clubsnap.com/showphoto.php/photo/22295
I put the other body there as a reference to size, to show you the size of Canon's top Film body too, and well, as you can see, they're roughly the same in size.
All in all, both excellent cameras with features far beyond any other film camera.
:devil:
just to make you more gian, here's a small little shot i took with my cheapo webcam.
http://gallery.clubsnap.com/showphoto.php/photo/22295
I put the other body there as a reference to size, to show you the size of Canon's top Film body too, and well, as you can see, they're roughly the same in size.
All in all, both excellent cameras with features far beyond any other film camera.
:devil:
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espn said:
nightpiper said:
All F/N80 user can just download the custom setting pocket cards (PDF file) to be paste inside the lens cap...
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