D600 Do You Have Spot/Oil Issue?
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hmm i wonder will changing the shutter make matters worst since they didnt replace it with the d610 shutter....
right now i get loads of dust on mine but easily fix with rocket. so far i only tio 2 times super stubborn dust/oil mark which requires cleaning from nikon.
what if change shutter then end up even worst lol more spots....anyway my shutter count is on the high side for 1 year usage....16k shutter count.
dont change like very wasted
right now i get loads of dust on mine but easily fix with rocket. so far i only tio 2 times super stubborn dust/oil mark which requires cleaning from nikon.
what if change shutter then end up even worst lol more spots....anyway my shutter count is on the high side for 1 year usage....16k shutter count.
dont change like very wasted
4spots after how many shutter clicks bro?
any lens switching?
i just send mine for cleaning today, when i got it back. i fired 2 shots and it was clean at f16.
went home did 1500 shots and only a super faint spot at f16 but did not appear at the same spot before cleaning.
so far so gd i think. dust i dont mind if i can just rocket blow it away myself. but if it is stubborn i get very annoyed since i do time lapse often
any lens switching?
i just send mine for cleaning today, when i got it back. i fired 2 shots and it was clean at f16.
went home did 1500 shots and only a super faint spot at f16 but did not appear at the same spot before cleaning.
so far so gd i think. dust i dont mind if i can just rocket blow it away myself. but if it is stubborn i get very annoyed since i do time lapse often
ageha
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From what you can read on the Internet a new shutter usually doesn't fix the issue and sometimes makes it even worse. Either you have a clean D600 or you have not but changing the shutter isn't a solution. Because you have only two stubborn specs after 16,000 shots I would rather let Nikon clean the sensor without replacing the shutter. I had about 5 spots but they were just dust specs, I could easily blow them off with an anti-static blower. Did you check if yours are dust specs are lubricant spots?
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Approx after 200-300 shots after shutter change. Think end Nov then go clean.
ageha
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Just read the quote below Roger Cicala. Interesting LensRentals didn't notice any lubricant splashes either:
"David, there are reports from a number of people that they had oil on their sensor like the D3x had. We didn’t see oil on our 60 copies of the D600, we saw dust – or at least dry particles – the majority of the time since we could blow or brush them off. We very rarely had to resort to a wet clean, which oil would have required."
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/11/d610-initial-dust-assessment
"David, there are reports from a number of people that they had oil on their sensor like the D3x had. We didn’t see oil on our 60 copies of the D600, we saw dust – or at least dry particles – the majority of the time since we could blow or brush them off. We very rarely had to resort to a wet clean, which oil would have required."
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/11/d610-initial-dust-assessment
I doubt it was dust because when i look at the sensor with my bare eyes, it look like a wet spot, dry up stains or something along the line. When i was taking my company's camera to camera hospital the dude there told me mine looks like oil and told me go change shutter since it is free. The technicians at NSC told me is dust not oil(i dont trust them)
I actually have alot of dust appearing in each of my timelapse. like 8 or 9. each time i manage to blow it off, only 2 super stubborn which i think is oil...
guess its better i change since pretty sure it is oil
ageha
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You should be able to tell if it's lubricant, dust or debris by the nature of the spot in your images.
if i m not wrong, dust spot is circle dots and translucent while oil/lub is solid dark dots right?
According to the NSC technicians, solid dark circular spots are called 'dust particles', the very fine dark circular spots are called 'micron dust particles'. They are always known as 'environmental dust', never 'internal dust' from the camera mechanics coz the new shutter replacement that is touted to be the same as that of the D610 is supposed to solve the 'internal dust' problem. For oil/lubricant stains, they should be seen as transparent blobs in your images, not dark circular spots. Coz oil diffracts light away, while dust particles block light from entering the affected part of the sensor.
Anyway, the D600 dust/oil issue seems to be a matter of lucky draw. For my previous D600 model I went down to NSC 6 times within 2 months of purchase, once to replace shutter, 5 other times to clean sensor. Apparently, that particular D600 model 'grows' dust out of nowhere. There was once the NSC technician cleaned for me, he checked and there was no spots at all at f/8. I put the D600 in my dry-cabinet and after 3 days of non-usage, I found 2 dust spots at f/8. I managed to get Nikon Singapore to replace the D600 model for me, and my current D600 with a different serial number, I only found a single dust spot at f/16 and below after 2 weeks of usage.
Of course NSC will never admit that the dust/oil issue is localised within that very D600 unit that you own. Some D600 units 'grow' dust from nowhere and nothing can be done to stop the 'growth', some only show spots before/after a certain mileage of usage, some units are totally unaffected. So conclusion: cleaning sensor or changing shutter may not be the best solution for your D600 unit. Got to react according to how your D600 behaves in the dust/oil issue.
ageha
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I'm not sure on that because I always had only the typical tiny dust specs on my sensors and I could always simply blow them off, yes they were all evenly transparent. I think lubricant spots have a dark border and are more translucent in the center. Solid dark specs might be some sort of debris [or as some say larger dust particles]. There is a good guide on the internet how to tell the different kinds of spots apart, you can google it.
I think it is remarkable LensRentals doesn't wet clean their 60 D600 because their units can be cleaned with a blower and a brush. I guess lots of people with sticky particles on their D600 sensor think it's oil just because they can't blow it away.
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ageha
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According to the NSC technicians, solid dark circular spots are called 'dust particles', the very fine dark circular spots are called 'micron dust particles'. They are always known as 'environmental dust', never 'internal dust' from the camera mechanics coz the new shutter replacement that is touted to be the same as that of the D610 is supposed to solve the 'internal dust' problem. For oil/lubricant stains, they should be seen as transparent blobs in your images, not dark circular spots. Coz oil diffracts light away, while dust particles block light from entering the affected part of the sensor.
Anyway, the D600 dust/oil issue seems to be a matter of lucky draw. For my previous D600 model I went down to NSC 6 times within 2 months of purchase, once to replace shutter, 5 other times to clean sensor. Apparently, that particular D600 model 'grows' dust out of nowhere. There was once the NSC technician cleaned for me, he checked and there was no spots at all at f/8. I put the D600 in my dry-cabinet and after 3 days of non-usage, I found 2 dust spots at f/8. I managed to get Nikon Singapore to replace the D600 model for me, and my current D600 with a different serial number, I only found a single dust spot at f/16 and below after 2 weeks of usage.
Of course NSC will never admit that the dust/oil issue is localised within that very D600 unit that you own. Some D600 units 'grow' dust from nowhere and nothing can be done to stop the 'growth', some only show spots before/after a certain mileage of usage, some units are totally unaffected. So conclusion: cleaning sensor or changing shutter may not be the best solution for your D600 unit. Got to react according to how your D600 behaves in the dust/oil issue.
I don't think at this point it's clear the D600 will get the D610 shutter, many say that's not the case because new D600 replacement shutter still has the same part number as last year.
So did NSC give you a brand new D600 or a refurbished one?
Apparently NSC technicians say that the D600 shutter replacements are the new shutters that the existing D610 uses (with this point Nikon Singapore refused to allow me a D610 for replacement as they say a D600 fitted with the new shutter mechanism is equivalent to getting a D610)
. If I remember correctly, there was a period of time when shutters for D600 went out of stock (prob in June this year) rite? So probably they may (or may not) have shipped in the new improved shutters. Anyway this argument goes 2-fold: if the D600 replacement shutters are not the D610 shutters, then the shutter issue is to be blamed for the dust/oil issue. If the D600 replacement shutters are the exact ones D610 uses, then the oil/dust issue is due to some mechanical fault in the D600 body. I highly believe it is the latter, which Nikon refuses to admit, fearing a D600 recall and loss of profits. Think about it: if it were really just the shutter mechanism issue, would Nikon have to roll out a new DSLR like the D610? I believe that the D610 has some improvements made to the mechanics and the internal functionality of the camera, which Nikon doesn't publicise for fear of backlash from D600 users.And yes, my D600 replacement is a brand new one. This is judged from the new aesthetics look of the unit (unless Nikon Singapore can do a fantastic refurbishing job, you can easily tell between a new and a used camera), and the shutter count (which was at 0 when I first received, and Nikon Singapore counter staff told me that this is a brand new unit with the original shutter).
ageha
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Sounds a bit fishy but let's hope it's true.Apparently NSC technicians say that the D600 shutter replacements are the new shutters that the existing D610 uses (with this point Nikon Singapore refused to allow me a D610 for replacement as they say a D600 fitted with the new shutter mechanism is equivalent to getting a D610)
And yes, my D600 replacement is a brand new one. This is judged from the new aesthetics look of the unit (unless Nikon Singapore can do a fantastic refurbishing job, you can easily tell between a new and a used camera), and the shutter count (which was at 0 when I first received, and Nikon Singapore counter staff told me that this is a brand new unit with the original shutter).
i somehow doubt they will replace it with the new d610 shutter. just 2days ago i was there and was talking to the nsc guy. he told me they will still replace it with d600 shutter not d610.
its either the techies try to smoke you to please you or the nsc guy dont like me and give me old shutter or not allowed to tell me they replace it with new d610 shutter.
anyway is there a way for us to check what shutter they replace us with without tearing the dslr open.
Doesn't really matter, as long as the acknowledge this issue internally and off the books, and keep changing the shutter, I think it's good. I can at least, get another new shutter after I'm through abusing the current one.
ageha
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People in the US who got an invoice said the shutter still has the same old part number [and for most it still doesn't solve the issue].
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It doesn't really matter what shutter they use. As long as they solve the dust/oil problem. I'd rather be contented with a D600 "old" shutter replacement and shoot comfortably than have a "new" D610 shutter replacement and still get haunted by the dust/oil issue whilst shooting. But I find the dust/oil issue goes beyond just shutter mechanism problems, there seems to be some internal mechanics that is 'contributing' dust to the sensor. Environmental dust shouldnt be allowed to 'leak' into the sensor so easily, as their previous DSLR models such as the D700, D800, D90, D90 , D5200 etc (D600 being an FX camera hence the dust issue is just Nikon's excuse to get around this issue) showed no such symptoms. Only the D600 and the previous model D7000 showed such problems.
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LensRentals says their D3x bodies are the worst.
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