Budget ROM Photographer
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projectdzaki
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I may not be a pro, but I'm learning a lot. And I'm very sure that I'm taking a lot of lessons from this, from both sides - the client and the photographer's point of view, both good and bad... I'll just remain neutral on this.
But anyway, I hope all goes well for the ROM and the shoot. And I hope whoever's doing the shoot takes something valuable home - the salary and more importantly, the experience, both good and bad (if any).
But yea... as far as this goes, I remember what my lecturer in poly used to advise me regarding the business of photography.
Something along the lines of a photographer can never afford to be labelled cheap.
And I agree, though I have to make exceptions when it comes to shooting for friends and family or charity, when the time comes.
But I think maybe we all can take a step back and look at things from the bigger picture, and resist that temptation to be too harsh. I've read the thread and know how you guys feel. It's amazing to see such passion! I respect you guys (my fellow friends in Clubsnap), but sometimes, sarcasm and insults really can get very low and very, very personal...
So chill...
Just my two cents worth =)
But anyway, I hope all goes well for the ROM and the shoot. And I hope whoever's doing the shoot takes something valuable home - the salary and more importantly, the experience, both good and bad (if any).
But yea... as far as this goes, I remember what my lecturer in poly used to advise me regarding the business of photography.
Something along the lines of a photographer can never afford to be labelled cheap.
And I agree, though I have to make exceptions when it comes to shooting for friends and family or charity, when the time comes.
But I think maybe we all can take a step back and look at things from the bigger picture, and resist that temptation to be too harsh. I've read the thread and know how you guys feel. It's amazing to see such passion! I respect you guys (my fellow friends in Clubsnap), but sometimes, sarcasm and insults really can get very low and very, very personal...
So chill...
Just my two cents worth =)
I see a lot of unnecessary sarcasms here towards the TS.
How much she had budgetted for other things is really none of anybody's business.
She made a simple proposition to get a photographer who is willing to cover her wedding for $200.00.
If any photographer thinks that this is below their rate and "self-worth", then do not take up this offer.
Leave it to others who are willing, for whatever reasons, to take up this offer.
How much she had budgetted for other things is really none of anybody's business.
She made a simple proposition to get a photographer who is willing to cover her wedding for $200.00.
If any photographer thinks that this is below their rate and "self-worth", then do not take up this offer.
Leave it to others who are willing, for whatever reasons, to take up this offer.
Doc, if only it were as simple. This simple proposition is a manifestation of the phenomenon of Clubsnap earning the infamour reputation of being the hunting ground for free and under-cutter's market for photography. You may say it's a willing buyers and sellers market, but such a phenomenon does have negative repurcussions on photography in Singapore, if you're willing to adopt a global perspective of this issue and see beyond one case..
Del_CtrlnoAlt
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dunno y... i seem to feel its a attack fetched from the model section... :think:
glennyong
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yes.. this is a proven fact.
i once met up with a client. who was introed by my previous clients.
he ask if i could cover his wedding for $3XX
i said... who on earth will cover an AD for like $3XX.
he asked if i cant, den he will get the other photographer who could do it for $3XX+
i said ok.. where did u get the photographer from.
guess wad he said.
"CLUBSNAP!"
his package was 200 prints with album + CD.... for a $300.....
so how ? i also cannot do anything he want to pay peanuts for monkeys wad.
i once met up with a client. who was introed by my previous clients.
he ask if i could cover his wedding for $3XX
i said... who on earth will cover an AD for like $3XX.
he asked if i cant, den he will get the other photographer who could do it for $3XX+
i said ok.. where did u get the photographer from.
guess wad he said.
"CLUBSNAP!"
his package was 200 prints with album + CD.... for a $300.....
so how ? i also cannot do anything he want to pay peanuts for monkeys wad.
attack? model section? sorry bro, i'm lost. haven't been coming in lately coz it's a bz mth. let me know via pm if it's OT?
glennyong
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haha... when u said attack fetched from model's section, it reminds me of ZecksonChow and Constance's incident..
for those who lurked here long ago should know wad i am talking about.. :bsmilie::bsmilie:
Del_CtrlnoAlt
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eh OT liao... but den, anybody know where 2603 go? :think:
projectdzaki
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Hmmm very unfortunate that Clubsnap is known as a place where people can get budget photographers. I think these people are misinformed.
How about we educate instead of insult? I think this can resolve some problems...
-i'm still a young padawan who needs a jedi master to teach him the ways of the force-
How about we educate instead of insult? I think this can resolve some problems...
-i'm still a young padawan who needs a jedi master to teach him the ways of the force-
I am afraid I do see things as simply as that.
What is wrong about people going around looking for the cheapest photographer they can find?
Photographers go to different shops, places, countries to look for the cheapest price, and that is OK? And when a client tries to look for the cheapest photographer, that is not OK?
What negative repercussions do such "phenomenon" have on photography in Singapore?
It is precisely because of a global perspective that I do not see this as a problem.
The problem only exists to those who felt threatened because of potential business being taken away elsewhere. The strength of such market economies such as willing sellers and willing buyers, demand and supply, can only lead to better and higher quality services. You do not necessarily have to drop your price (although sometimes you may have to), but you will have to show that you will really give value-for money.
Del_CtrlnoAlt
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Hmmm very unfortunate that Clubsnap is known as a place where people can get budget photographers. I think these people are misinformed.
How about we educate instead of insult? I think this can resolve some problems...
-i'm still a young padawan who needs a jedi master to teach him the ways of the force-
I am a R2 Unit who needs a Protocol Droid to relay message... :bsmilie:
Well, simply because, this current phase will be a passing one. And when it passes, the standard of photography will not be better off. The prospects of professional photography will not be enticing for anyone who aspires to be a full-timer (think sports, think arts) for starters. This will be a passing phase by the sheer fact that the amount offered by exploiters, sometimes nothing, is insufficient to cover to the cost of the service provided. But desperate seekers who cannot see beyond the immediate assignments at hand will grab at them until they realise otherwise, and give up altogether.
I've seen very talented photographers who tried to take up a career in photography but starting off freelancing, then give up on photography altogether. And there are many I'm talking about.
I'm sorry we cannot agree on this issue. There's no right or wrong is this issue. Merely different perspectives. Just as much as one side cannot see the sarcasm, the other side cannot tolerate the exploitation, which the other party didn't see exist.
projectdzaki
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:thumbsup: That sums up everything here. OK. I think the thread can end here?
Arguing with each other also kinda makes Clubsnap look bad, no?
reminiscence
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Somehow clubsnap already has a rather bad reputation already... oh well.
Ken, we appear to be talking about different things.
You are approaching this issue from the perspective of a professional photographer. As I mentioned, the price is for the professionals to maintain. Nobody needs to drop their price. But you will have to improve your products and services to persuade the clients that it is to their interest to get the services of such professionals, even though the price is higher.
But there will always be those whose primary concern is not quality, but price. Why take issues with these? It is their perogative to chose what they want.
Professionals stick to their standing as true professionals.
And I do feel it is a shame if the standard of one's photography is dependent on how much one is paid. (I am not talking about expensive albums versus cheap albums etc)
Well, not exactly different things. Because it's not all "pro" vs "non-pros". But you're right about what you said about the ideal attitude of pros. But we're digressing.
'Non-pros', contrary to popular believe, has costs to cover too, if they're going to shoot for money. Don't believe me? Why not try doing a few shoots for money, and we start a discussion somewhere again? That way we'll be able to establish a common lingo more easily.
On bridal consumer view, CS has a good reputation of getting cheap (may be good as well) photographers :bsmilie:
snowspeeder
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I respect your diplomatic perspective and foresight on this issue along with some of the bros here. Yes it is important to refrain from personal attacks and words too harsh. We can simply advise the client/public accordingly.
From a macro pespective, this is merely a request for service thread. No harm done. But at the same time I've to recognize the growing trend on the kind of requests received here in CS that feeds the assumption that cheap services can be found here.
Yes its a buyers and sellers willing arrangement after all. However, many here are addressing a far bigger issue at hand which goes beyond this case. This can happen to any industry. So let's look at it with proper perspective and reasoning.
canongrapherL
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dont know why the big hoo ha from the many defensive professionals around here.
One can choose to pay $200 or $2000 for his photography depending on his budget.
Just like ...
One can either choose to pay $10 for a haircut or $200 at another salon. Pay less just need to expect less.
The TS did not state that he/she wants 500 prints for $200 anyway. Neither did the TS demanded the photograher to be a real pro with 20 years experience.
So in the first place, why be so defensive and upset?
BTW, making money from photography is not going to be easy in time to come. Ppl are now better trained in photography due to the popularity of digital photography. Some of the young enthusiasts I have seen are almost as good as the old birds and even pros if not better (in fact more arty and creative than the old masters).
Anyone thinking of a career in photography hoping to make big money? Wake up your idea! Try videography perhaps.
One can choose to pay $200 or $2000 for his photography depending on his budget.
Just like ...
One can either choose to pay $10 for a haircut or $200 at another salon. Pay less just need to expect less.
The TS did not state that he/she wants 500 prints for $200 anyway. Neither did the TS demanded the photograher to be a real pro with 20 years experience.
So in the first place, why be so defensive and upset?
BTW, making money from photography is not going to be easy in time to come. Ppl are now better trained in photography due to the popularity of digital photography. Some of the young enthusiasts I have seen are almost as good as the old birds and even pros if not better (in fact more arty and creative than the old masters).
Anyone thinking of a career in photography hoping to make big money? Wake up your idea! Try videography perhaps.
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