5D II Specs
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bernstein1234
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Yep, saw in the straits times about the D700 advert. And next to it there's the lenses advertisement. Seems like they've a lot of FX lenses. 14-24 is $24XX. Slurpz.
Opps why am I talking about Nukon in this 5DII thread:what:
Redsun
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bernstein1234
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coz we're pretty disappointed with Canon?
Opps. ;p
Redsun
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I think its should be called "how to milk the last drop of juice from each camera model released even though it could be 3 years old." :bsmilie:
... AND get cheap publicity mileage by making it into record books as the World's longest ever in-production DSLR! :sweatsm:
I think Canon underestimated Nikon and are restrategising. Now that Nikon are a good match for them, they are likely to stop crippling their cameras as much as they used to.
History lesson. 1970-80s - the days of Manual focus. What did Canon have and what did Nikon have? Nikon were leaders then with the F2s and F3s. Canon had the A-1 and F-1 but most pros were on Nikon. I bought a Minolta in 1978? Why, because the Nikon FE was significantly more expensive than the Pentax, Minolta and Canon models. In the 1980s Nikon went downmarket with the EM etc.
Then AF came along and Canon pissed everybody off by abandoning the FD mount in favour of a new EF (larger). Then the EOS-1 came along ..... after 10 years of EF mounts, Canon and Nikon were neck to neck. Nikon was more expensive (e.g. EOS 100 vs F601). Canon went downmarket with the EOS 1000, 5000 (888) and captured market share.
Then came digital and Canon's decision to go it alone and make its own sensors (I know I skipped the Kodak story) whereas Nikon relied on Sony. Very strategic and in the end Canon came up leaders. Nikon have now caught up and overtaken Canon .... but wait a while... does anyone here really think Canon will remain complacent?
Was Canon always the leader? NO. Why is everybody so dissappointed that Nikon has caught up? After all, Canon caught up with Nikon in the 1990s
From 1992 when I bought my EOS 1000F I have never switched systems.
If Nikon and Canon never did race the way they did, we would not have the bodies we have today. Look in the Nikon discussion 2 years ago when Nikon did not have any FF offering - and their high speed offering was a 2x crop at 5MP. It took a long time for them to catch up and overtake Canon (from the D1 days, I think almost 8 years). I doubt Canon will take more than a year to retake their position.
But the dominance is over, like in the old days. And it will be good for us.
I eagerly await the 5D II - even though I am happy enough with my 40D
History lesson. 1970-80s - the days of Manual focus. What did Canon have and what did Nikon have? Nikon were leaders then with the F2s and F3s. Canon had the A-1 and F-1 but most pros were on Nikon. I bought a Minolta in 1978? Why, because the Nikon FE was significantly more expensive than the Pentax, Minolta and Canon models. In the 1980s Nikon went downmarket with the EM etc.
Then AF came along and Canon pissed everybody off by abandoning the FD mount in favour of a new EF (larger). Then the EOS-1 came along ..... after 10 years of EF mounts, Canon and Nikon were neck to neck. Nikon was more expensive (e.g. EOS 100 vs F601). Canon went downmarket with the EOS 1000, 5000 (888) and captured market share.
Then came digital and Canon's decision to go it alone and make its own sensors (I know I skipped the Kodak story) whereas Nikon relied on Sony. Very strategic and in the end Canon came up leaders. Nikon have now caught up and overtaken Canon .... but wait a while... does anyone here really think Canon will remain complacent?
Was Canon always the leader? NO. Why is everybody so dissappointed that Nikon has caught up? After all, Canon caught up with Nikon in the 1990s
From 1992 when I bought my EOS 1000F I have never switched systems.
If Nikon and Canon never did race the way they did, we would not have the bodies we have today. Look in the Nikon discussion 2 years ago when Nikon did not have any FF offering - and their high speed offering was a 2x crop at 5MP. It took a long time for them to catch up and overtake Canon (from the D1 days, I think almost 8 years). I doubt Canon will take more than a year to retake their position.
But the dominance is over, like in the old days. And it will be good for us.
I eagerly await the 5D II - even though I am happy enough with my 40D
I suspect one of the Nikons may take that honour now.
phoakm
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Anyways to us consumers.. this fight will help lower the price down on the cameras due to competition and market dominance... so be HAPPY
But i also waiting very impatiently for the 5D MKII to come out:cry:
So fast looking for MK2 liao. :think:
Haha ya man bro... 5D is 3 yr ago technology liao.... Older than my D200... lol... time to have a DIGIC IV Image Processor ;p
phoakm
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I won't say Nikon has overtaken Canon. They are still crippled by their reliance on Sony for their sensors. Otherwise, the 1000D/450D/400D won't be bashing the D40/D60/D80 cameras in terms of high ISO performance. We'll see if the D80 replacement is going to feature the 12 MP CMOS sensor or the anqtiquated 10 MP CCD sensor.
At the professional camera front, the D3/D700 sensor has merely equalled the 1Ds3 camera in terms of quantum efficiency. Using the current technology in the 450D sensor, Canon can easily match the D3 sensor performance with a 12 MP FF sensor. But I doubt Canon will introduce another 12 MP FF sensor.
Regarding lenses, Nikon has introduced an excellent 14-24 f/2.8 lens as well as several decent entry level lenses. But still lacking in many AF-S primes as well as IS technology (absent in their 17-55 f/2.8 and more recent 24-70 f/2.8). And where is their 70-200 f/4 IS equivalent?
Overall, they have merely equalled Canon, but not surpassed them. And the gap, if there is one, is nowhere like the past decade.
At the professional camera front, the D3/D700 sensor has merely equalled the 1Ds3 camera in terms of quantum efficiency. Using the current technology in the 450D sensor, Canon can easily match the D3 sensor performance with a 12 MP FF sensor. But I doubt Canon will introduce another 12 MP FF sensor.
Regarding lenses, Nikon has introduced an excellent 14-24 f/2.8 lens as well as several decent entry level lenses. But still lacking in many AF-S primes as well as IS technology (absent in their 17-55 f/2.8 and more recent 24-70 f/2.8). And where is their 70-200 f/4 IS equivalent?
Overall, they have merely equalled Canon, but not surpassed them. And the gap, if there is one, is nowhere like the past decade.
Agree. Nikon can never surpass Canon. Canon not only make their own sensors, they make fax machines, camcorders and printers! How can Nikon fight? Somemore Canon's products like 5D can dominate the market for so many years still so solid. Also Canon 1Ds3 price so high, Nikon sure cannot surpass.
Agree - the D40-D80 series are a fair bit behind. Suspect they will have to put the 12MP CMOS sensor into the D80 replacement - and kill the D200 in the process in favour of the D300/700. As for the D40/60 - well, the 1000D should easily trash those.
Wait and see - Canon won't be doing nothing.
Nikon will surely release a 24 MP FF DSLR. The question is whether it goes into a D3-like body or a D700-like body. If the former, it'll probably cost as much as the 1Ds3. Most of the cost price goes into the sensor manufacturing anyway. Imagine making 24,000,000 pixels on a relatively large FF chip and not one pixel is allowed to be defective.
With Canon, the problem is not the lack of technology. The issue is whether they're willing to pack some of that cutting-edge technology into an affordable package for the man on the street. (Incidentally, Nikon still does not offer a single diffractive optic lens.) Or whether they feel those technology should only be made available to those who are willing to pay thru' their noses.
On a personal note, I still cannot get over the fact that they are not willing to include the lens microadjustment custom function on the 40D. That should NOT cost them a single cent. :angry:
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If that's your point of comparison, we can crown Sony the champion now!
Sony don't make fax machines and ink and standard printers....
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