1D vs 1Ds

If you have an array of Canon lenses, and you have $15k, which will you buy?


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Originally posted by tomshen
We are talking about a dream here, aren't we? In reality I am satisfied with 3fps as well. But I think at least 5fps is sufficient for serious action shoot. Maybe the much faster AF on 1 series helps a lot, but my d60 is never good enough for any actions, nor is the 3fps.

tom, well the good news is your problem can be solved today with either the 10D or the 1D :D :devil: :cool:
 

Originally posted by Jed
The simple fact is personally I, and several others, think that listing equipment in the signature is a waste of time, or in some cases (I am not implying anything) merely a case of showing off.

100% AGREED!!!!! :thumbsup:
 

Originally posted by Jed
I'm not saying you're wrong, but in my experience, 5fps is not enough. If you're shooting 5fps you might as well be shooting 3fps, you are still better off taking the critical shot rather than shooting and holding.

If you're moonlighting for different people and need more shots then yes, 5fps will help, but if your basic aim is to get better sports shots, then something 8fps approximately and upwards will start to yield better results. Blindly shooting without hitting the critical moment with a 5fps camera is more miss than hit.
I know what u mean, and actually I often try to get peak actions, hit or miss. I don't burst often, partly because 3fps isn't that fantastic. Like what u said, pressing and holding would likely miss the moment. I found if can warm up myself then easier to predict the peak time. In other cases I may just take advantage of continuous mode. Certainly I am not experienced in this aspect. If I have a 1D, however, u bet that I will shoot more actions, both sports and nature. Not only because the 8fps, but the super fast AF that can always lock on the targets.
 

Originally posted by Red Dawn
tom, well the good news is your problem can be solved today with either the 10D or the 1D :D :devil: :cool:
u help my dream come true? :p
 

Originally posted by tomshen
1D... the super fast AF that can always lock on the targets.

Not always, unfortunately.
 

Originally posted by Jed
Not always, unfortunately.
:bsmilie: I should have realized that I was talking with a Nikon fan.
 

Originally posted by tomshen
:bsmilie: I should have realized that I was talking with a Nikon fan.

No. This has nothing to do with being a Nikon user. And I'm a big fan of Canon too when it comes to work.

This is just a collection of information from arguably among the top autofocus utilisers in the world. When I ask 1D users if they get frames dropping out in the middle of a sequence, the answer is always yes.

I remember a Henry goal and subsequent celebration. I had one sharp and then the camera got flummoxed by what I suspect was the goal post that did it. At any rate I had 1 sharp and 2 out of focus pictures. I looked at the Mac of a mate next to me, who uses 1D bodies, and he had 1 sharp and 6 out of focus pictures.
 

Originally posted by Jed
No. This has nothing to do with being a Nikon user. And I'm a big fan of Canon too when it comes to work.

This is just a collection of information from arguably among the top autofocus utilisers in the world. When I ask 1D users if they get frames dropping out in the middle of a sequence, the answer is always yes.

I remember a Henry goal and subsequent celebration. I had one sharp and then the camera got flummoxed by what I suspect was the goal post that did it. At any rate I had 1 sharp and 2 out of focus pictures. I looked at the Mac of a mate next to me, who uses 1D bodies, and he had 1 sharp and 6 out of focus pictures.
Serious? This is the first time I've heard about such comments. thx for yr info. I thought soccer is not THAT fast as F1 which might be hard to get sharp. But again, come to street actions, can I expect 1D/D1h not that bad?
 

Originally posted by tomshen
Serious? This is the first time I've heard about such comments. thx for yr info. I thought soccer is not THAT fast as F1 which might be hard to get sharp. But again, come to street actions, can I expect 1D/D1h not that bad?

OT, but for street, nothing beats a LEICA. :devil:

Regards
CK
 

Originally posted by tomshen
Serious? This is the first time I've heard about such comments. thx for yr info. I thought soccer is not THAT fast as F1 which might be hard to get sharp. But again, come to street actions, can I expect 1D/D1h not that bad?

Well tracking an F1 car full frame-ish with a long lens like a 300, 400, 500 or 600, possibly with converters, means that the rate of change is fairly small, because you're focusing at quite a distance.

Also as I've explained before, crashes aside, F1 cars tend to move in easily predictable motions, unlike the stop-start effect of football players. When you're focusing at about 10m away from you, the rate of change is also higher relative.

Lastly, motorsport tends to happen in ample light in the daytime, whereas more than half our work is done under floodlights at night.

Tracking an F1 car about 20m (approaching, not passing) would be more taxing than football probably, but otherwise, my experience is that football is more taxing. Yes I've shot enough motorsport myself to know, although not F1.
 

ok thx again for yr info, Jed.
 

Originally posted by Jed
Well tracking an F1 car full frame-ish with a long lens like a 300, 400, 500 or 600, possibly with converters, means that the rate of change is fairly small, because you're focusing at quite a distance.

Also as I've explained before, crashes aside, F1 cars tend to move in easily predictable motions, unlike the stop-start effect of football players. When you're focusing at about 10m away from you, the rate of change is also higher relative.

Lastly, motorsport tends to happen in ample light in the daytime, whereas more than half our work is done under floodlights at night.

Tracking an F1 car about 20m (approaching, not passing) would be more taxing than football probably, but otherwise, my experience is that football is more taxing. Yes I've shot enough motorsport myself to know, although not F1.

does the DSLR CF writing contribute some factors ? How does the D1x compared to 1Ds interm of CF writing ? Does the waiting time pose a problem for you ?
 

Originally posted by oceanxp
does the DSLR CF writing contribute some factors ? How does the D1x compared to 1Ds interm of CF writing ? Does the waiting time pose a problem for you ?

Not a very fair comparison, 1Ds files are quite a bit bigger! ;)

Regards
CK
 

Originally posted by ckiang
Not a very fair comparison, 1Ds files are quite a bit bigger! ;)

Regards
CK

:D sorry think i sway away from 1D vs 1Ds topic again...

maybe i should say, in general what are the CF writing performance on these two camera ? with respect to fast paced action like soccer ?

I would love to take up sport photography in future which are challenging and fun ... :D
 

Originally posted by oceanxp
:D sorry think i sway away from 1D vs 1Ds topic again...

maybe i should say, in general what are the CF writing performance on these two camera ? with respect to fast paced action like soccer ?

I can't speak for the 1Ds. But with the D1x I never run out of buffer space, nor have I bothered with the buffer increase option with Nikon. The fact is if you shoot the right way (I don't mean conservatively, I mean shoot to get the best possible results with a 3fps camera, see above) then the buffer isn't going to be a problem. I have maybe two or three times either hit the buffer point but then the action's settled down and the buffer clears, or I might be held up on 1 or 2 shots, but bearing in mind I must have shot 200k frames in the last one and a half years with this camera, that's too ridiculously low percentage to worth registering.

The 1D on the other hand does have a buffer problem. 8fps tends to yield a vaguely different style of shooting, which means that your 21 frames tend to dry up exceedingly quickly.

CF card write speeds are very good on modern cameras with a good card (Ridata, Lexar; D1h/x, EOS1D(s)). Generally as long as you're not shooting the same occurrence / piece of action, then by the time something else happens, you'll have a completely free buffer. In marked contrast to the D1 where you needed all 21 frames if not a lot more.

I would love to take up sport photography in future which are challenging and fun ... :D

Challenging yes, I have no earthly idea where you get fun from though.
 

Originally posted by Jed
I would love to take up sport photography in future which are challenging and fun ... :D

Challenging yes, I have no earthly idea where you get fun from though. [/B]

beside the sweat and running with the camera, it is fun to take shots that freeze that moment in the air ... :D
 

Just noticed this thread, directed from Adam's thread :p

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=321196#post321196

Can't poll in this thread at all, I don't find what I'm shooting justifiable for either the 1D or 1Ds. Not a pro, neither a self-declared sports photographer. Not refering to Jed tho, since I know what he's shooting.

It's a funny thing, everytime someone starts such a discussion topic, it always ends up with flames, cursings, etc etc. The funniest part is, most of the time, at least 1/3 of the posters doesn't even knows what and why they need it for.


It's all Ckiang's fault, flames in 2 thread. ;p

:kok:
 

Originally posted by Jed
And you think I'd managed to ignore that possibility? My original argument holds because as mentioned, you could change a 28-70L for a 17-35L for less than S$100 in the used market. If it matters that much to "brother Goldmemberry" then he would have done that, instead of keep his current lens setup and whinge.

brother dionk-Jed you still think changing lens is changing underwear? as a matter of fact i use both my lenses very often and have been with me for quite some time. got feeling 1 leh.:cry: do you change your wife very often?:bsmilie:
 

Originally posted by Jed
The simple fact is personally I, and several others, think that listing equipment in the signature is a waste of time.

that's your business.
 

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