1D vs 1Ds
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your topic is [1D vs 1Ds], why drag the 4x5 and above in? if you want to do so, you can appropiately change the topic to [1D vs 1Ds vs 4x5 vs larger format camera]. hmm but we are talking about 35mm kindda DSLR aren't we?
While we're on the subject of curiousities in this thread, I find your "i prefer 1Ds - 0% focal length multiplier" to be a very curious statement too.
Given that your current array of lenses don't exactly imply an urgency towards getting wide angles - the widest lens you have is a 45mm effective.
Canon D60... Canon 70-200L, 28-70L, 2x...
If no focal length multiplier is important to you, then you would think the reason being you want wide angle, but that hardly shows from your lens lineup at all.
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brother JED, you are sadly mistaken . please understand the word 'PREFER' in relation to this [topic]. Are you saying people who 'PREFER' to have 0% focal length multiplier should show urgency by owning a super wide angle lens before having any preference to 1D and 1Ds??? 28mm on 0% focal length multiplieris DSLR a wide angle lens, u remember? thats why i say i 'prefer'. i dun care what you comment about my comments but leave my equipment alone
, they are innocent that's all i can afford brother, me ain't no millionaire. lets get back to the topic.
, they are innocent that's all i can afford brother, me ain't no millionaire. lets get back to the topic.A tough choice indeed, wish to have both. 
Each caters a different shooting style. If only one to be selected, I'll go to 1D since seldom print big size files. After all, I only post my pictures on the web and all I want to do is to capture the MOMENT. 8fps would be great for my work. A day dream, wish the 2nd hand 1D price could drop below 3~4k by the end of this year, then... 
Each caters a different shooting style. If only one to be selected, I'll go to 1D since seldom print big size files. After all, I only post my pictures on the web and all I want to do is to capture the MOMENT. 8fps would be great for my work. A day dream, wish the 2nd hand 1D price could drop below 3~4k by the end of this year, then... Hi
actually, why is 8 fps so important, even for sports photographers? can't say i'm an experienced sports photographer but i did a soccer game this year with only 3 fps of the 1v (without booster) and i dare say i didn't miss not having the camera shoot faster.......
afterall, Jed too, has been shooting professionally with only 5 fps (?) of the D1x........... as has many other Nikon sports photographers.....
the key is to have a camera system that responds instinctively to shutter release with a minimum of lag and a quick return mirror that prevents long shutter blackout, coupled with a fast AF system that is able to track movement.
blasting away with a motor drive isn't going to help if u dun have the instinct for WHEN and WHERE things will happen. this applies to sports photography, as well as street, wildlife etc...
actually, why is 8 fps so important, even for sports photographers? can't say i'm an experienced sports photographer but i did a soccer game this year with only 3 fps of the 1v (without booster) and i dare say i didn't miss not having the camera shoot faster.......
afterall, Jed too, has been shooting professionally with only 5 fps (?) of the D1x........... as has many other Nikon sports photographers.....
the key is to have a camera system that responds instinctively to shutter release with a minimum of lag and a quick return mirror that prevents long shutter blackout, coupled with a fast AF system that is able to track movement.
blasting away with a motor drive isn't going to help if u dun have the instinct for WHEN and WHERE things will happen. this applies to sports photography, as well as street, wildlife etc...
no why should it even matter? I saw the SAF warriors' official photographer at the game i shoot (which btw is a Sinchi - SAF game) and he uses an EOS 3, a film body.
Digital will not help him make more money when film is not shot at his own expense
in fact, the EOS 3 does not even do 8 fps, come to think of it. And he's been at this for years......... the name of the game in professional photography is - watever gets the job done
I do. Preference is a fairly straightforward word to understand. You were expressing a preference for product A because of a certain factor A. I just commented that your factor A was highly curious.
Are you saying people who 'PREFER' to have 0% focal length multiplier should show urgency by owning a super wide angle lens before having any preference to 1D and 1Ds???
No, just that your given reason was flimsy.
The fact is a 17-35 costs about the same as a 28-70. If you really did have a problem with not having a wide angle on your D60 then you would have bought a 17-35 instead of the 28-70.
28mm on 0% focal length multiplieris DSLR a wide angle lens, u remember?
I never forgot.
i dun care what you comment about my comments but leave my equipment alone
[1] I am commenting about your comments. Your commented reason for prefering the 1Ds, that of having no focal length multiplier, looks more excuse than reason, bearing in mind that you have a 28-70 as your widest lens, with only a 1.5/1.6x FLM.
[2] People who insist on listing their equipment in every single one of their posts via their signature should take the good with the bad. You're broadcasting it to everyone as public knowledge at every available opportunity - I didn't criticise you for owning a 28-70 as your widest lens - you're perfectly entitled to do that, I'm just saying that your comment of prefering a 0% FLM is intriguing at best in light of your equipment list.
It's not. I can't imagine except for professional sports and wildlife snappers where it is an advantage. But not indispensible.
only 3 fps of the 1v (without booster) and i dare say i didn't miss not having the camera shoot faster.......
Nothing personal, but if you haven't missed not having faster than 3fps, then you haven't shot enough sport.
afterall, Jed too, has been shooting professionally with only 5 fps (?) of the D1x........... as has many other Nikon sports photographers.....
3fps, not 5. Yes, plenty are surviving with 3fps, some with screwdriver driven lenses. Oh my... given the amount of CSers who own AF-S and USM lenses... Heck every now and then the odd pro pops around with manual focus gear.
the key is to have a camera system that responds instinctively to shutter release with a minimum of lag and a quick return mirror that prevents long shutter blackout, coupled with a fast AF system that is able to track movement.
All correct except the last point. AF systems from Canon and Nikon today (no direct experience with Minolta and Pentax, but I have it on a Dynax 9 to Nikon D1 convert that there is a big improvement) are fast enough. Accuracy is the important thing. Raw speed is there already.
blasting away with a motor drive isn't going to help if u dun have the instinct for WHEN and WHERE things will happen. this applies to sports photography, as well as street, wildlife etc...
Correct.
It depends on what work you're doing. And what sport. In certain industries the crossover to digital takes longer - motorsport for example is still predominantly a chrome industry, although this too is rapidly changing. The last film users disappeared from the football market about a year ago. Tight deadlines and just all out competitiveness made the speed of digital absolutely critical. For (sports) magazine work the battle is turning digital's way, but they too resisted for a long time.
Good luck at Clickart.
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Brother Jed, i presume you are a millionaire, who can buy anything anytime without any worries. let me put it in another way. the lenses was bought before long before the camera. 28mm was the widest i needed for 35mm. D60 is currently what i can afford. 1D series? no way.
like what i have side, you are totally out of this topic, which is intended for. please get back to the topic again.
What part of "instead of" do you not understand. I'll wager you that on the second hand market you can swap your 28-70L for a 17-35L for less than a S$100 contribution from your pocket. For someone who owns the amount of gear you do, 2.8L zooms, and who is that concerned about wide angle coverage, that isn't too much to spend to sort out the problem. If it really was a problem.
like what i have side, you are totally out of this topic, which is intended for. please get back to the topic again.
Like what I have said, I was on topic.
And like I said, since you seem to like that phrase (although in your case it seems to be "like what i have side" *sic*), people who insist on listing their equipment in every single one of their posts via their signature should take the good with the bad.
Yes, my topic was 1D vs 1Ds. But that was made in reply to vince, who said "Probably because for us, image size and quality is more important than "getting that shot". Most of us have time to compose the shot properly instead of blazing away."
If you want all the time to setup and compose a shot, and want the best possible quality, then the ideal camera would be 4x5, agree? 1Ds should never be in the picture (pun intended).
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We are talking about a dream here, aren't we? In reality I am satisfied with 3fps as well. But I think at least 5fps is sufficient for serious action shoot. Maybe the much faster AF on 1 series helps a lot, but my d60 is never good enough for any actions, nor is the 3fps.
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