17-35mm f2.8 VS 17-55mm f2.8
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longkangman
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N-user said:
This new toy too waiting for you
longkangman
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N-user said:okie, poison me... where to get and how $$........... no not the wimberly, the LSPJ something.... :devil:
cheaper now. TSM
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Tetrode said:
Tetrode:
Nothing about the IQ(Image Quality) being bad, just that compared to the new users, as long as the IQ is good, AF is good, even w/o an aperture ring, they dont miss it. My point is that the G lenses being "crippled" is plain due to your needs not being satisfied and only in your views that it is "crippled".
Differences can go beyond more than just the few points that I have pointed out. Some just find the controls different, some just dont like the wheel. They dont like the shape, the shutter slap etc etc... How people prefer their systems is up to them.
This whole hoohaa is just a matter of differences in needs and opinions.
longkangman
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N-user said:
one ball not balance two balls better.:thumbsup: :lovegrin: :devil:
jOhO
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yeap, right indeed on the technology part, if i hadn't needed it, i wouldn't have spent that much on high end equipment.Tetrode said:
however, when a bride can almost break out in tears of joy looking ar her wedding photos right in front of me, she's not wondering if it was a nikon or a leica that shot the image. but that's another topic altogether.
no i haven't shot, or even TOUCHED a leica b4. if/when i do, i'm sure i'll be intrigued. but until then, status quo.
One uses the equipment he/she is comfortable and confident with, not because of status symbol or because it's expensive.jOhO said:yeap, right indeed on the technology part, if i hadn't needed it, i wouldn't have spent that much on high end equipment.
however, when a bride can almost break out in tears of joy looking ar her wedding photos right in front of me, she's not wondering if it was a nikon or a leica that shot the image. but that's another topic altogether.
no i haven't shot, or even TOUCHED a leica b4. if/when i do, i'm sure i'll be intrigued. but until then, status quo.
Eeee.. why you think along that line... I won't know if you comfortable with your "equipment" :embrass:jOhO said:
What I was saying is that, you may use a D2HS, AF-S 17-35, AF-S 70-200VR G for a wedding shoot, it's all about being comfortable with the equipment and knowing what it can do. What's the point of using a Brand XXX model YYY camera because it's a loved camera by others?
I don't see the relevance of the challenge of ditching gears that I'm comfortable with to go for something just because that person feels the gears prove what a person is capable of.
jOhO
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actually the 70-200 is only used for church now.. which is i think maybe only 20% of the weddings i shoot. if no church it stays at home. something much lighter has replaced it, yeah it HAS an aperture ring.. :bsmilie: :bsmilie:
but yes of course i get ur point. actually i've researched into canon too, the 1.3 crop on the 1d2/n being something i could like very much. but back to it lor, sell 30k worth for 15k, and start over, i think abit tough.... not to mention being UNcomfortable with the system for a while until i get used to it.
as for my other "equipment" how am i to know which one u referring to... remember, assumption is the mother of all....
ahah u know the rest.. :bsmilie:
but yes of course i get ur point. actually i've researched into canon too, the 1.3 crop on the 1d2/n being something i could like very much. but back to it lor, sell 30k worth for 15k, and start over, i think abit tough.... not to mention being UNcomfortable with the system for a while until i get used to it.
as for my other "equipment" how am i to know which one u referring to... remember, assumption is the mother of all....
ahah u know the rest.. :bsmilie:
TMC said:
That is why advice given here should be made with more consideration for the new user. Not just BBB bec it's expensive so it must be good or bec it is a Nikon that's why or you don't have legacy equipment so you won't miss it. Why is it good? And what is out there that is just as good if not better for a lower price? What if they decide they want to try mf cameras down the road? (I'm sure as a newbie they would want to experiment)
Do they know the limitations of the G lenses?
Do they know what not having the aperture ring means i.e. limiting their access to certain type of equipment in the range?
What do they want to do with the equipment?
Can an older lens be just as good at a lower price?
Do they really need an SB800 when an SB600 will suffice?
Do they really need VR?
Tetrode said:
With all due respect (I hold no grudge), people come in here asking questions and people come in here to offer their viewpoints (which they, including you, are entitled to do). Your dismissal of other people's viewpoints (and personal attacks) do not help the people with questions in their decision-making process.
Your questions above are reasonable. But in the end, what others decide to buy will be based on their own budget, and hopefully taking into account the opinions and feedback given by contributors to this thread (whether it is Nikon, Canon, VR, G, etc). When people buy Nikon, it does not mean that they are blinded by brand or have deep pockets (there are many reasons why people buy Nikon or Canon). Ultimately, people have the choice to buy what they want depending on their budget. They spend the money, they bear the consequences of their decision (whether it is right or wrong). What is right for you may not be the best fit for others....
Jimbotan said:With all due respect (I hold no grudge), people come in here asking questions and people come in here to offer their viewpoints (which they, including you, are entitled to do). Your dismissal of other people's viewpoints (and personal attacks) do not help the people with questions in their decision-making process.
Actually the personal attacks came about because others started criticising/belittling my greviences regarding the introduction of G lenses. If I am entitled to an opinion, why can't I express that alternative view albiet negative to the majority? (actually this dislike of G lenses is not uncommon amongst established Nikon users)
My dismissive attacks were in retaliation to ones launched first by others regarding my opinion that G lenses are crippled in another thread a few months ago.
You have said that it is an opinion I am ENTITLED to express no?
So I am expressing my OPINION that G lenses are crippled and have given my reasons so. However, it seems that some people had taken offence to what I have said. So what if I use the word 'crippled', In my opinion and experience they are crippled.
Even if my views are not held by the majority of this forum, they have some merit and may actually be of use to someone (newbie). At least my views highlight the limitations of G lenses no matter how insignificant they may be to many here. e.g. limits the use of these lenses on legacy equipment.
What is the difference in my 'forcing my viewpoint down people throats' and these people who lambast my opinion? Isn't it a case of the pot calling the kettle black? Aren't these attacks on my opinion a form of censorship? hence my statements regarding sheep and brainless kawtowing to the status quo.
You say and I quote" Your dismissal of other people's viewpoints (and personal attacks) do not help the people with questions in their decision-making process." Likewise, these attacks on my opinions are the same. They don't help the people with questions in their decision-making process. You are only pushing your own biases.
And writing things like "BBB" and "KRW rocks" and "I love godknowwho" helps these people even less so!
jOhO
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ok lar.. let's single out ONE person.
how come i've always heard of espn being fxxked up becos of his bullsh!t of bbb and krw and all that, but seldom a word of appreciation for the help and advise he has given? u mean to say his 20k (or watever the amt is i didn't even take note) posts are all ABOUT bbb?
get with the culture of CS or leave. he and anyone else has a serious side, and a playful side. it is evident in this thread alone. espn has given serious advise from what he knows, and has also played and joked around IN THIS THREAD, no need to go search the rest of his posts....
so he sux for joking around too much, but doesn't UNsuck for giving good advise? it doesn't take a 3yo to realise that he doesn't expect or insist that you buy all pro equipment becos he says BBB. u think he gets a commission from nikon? (espn, if you do, you better go eat sh!t) :bsmilie:
take note i'm just using him as an example. it's not becos we are bosom buddies or watever. quite honestly we don't know each other that well except for crapping on CS. he has given me advise on the odd occasion too.
my point for the above is that u gotta take the good with the bad. i could agree that all that bbb and krw sh!t is not helping, but then u CONVENIENTLY forget (or perhaps don't even know about) all the other things he's helped with.
as far as i feel and see, you, tetrode, have contributed LESS to this community than he has. so in that light, you should ease up.
come to think of it, i really dunno when where how and why all this KRW crap started, and yes it's all full of crap, but you don't see me bursting a blood vessel. what makes you and i so different that you do?
as for ur personal vendettas and how it started from which thread, the rest of us DO NOT CARE. don't bring it to this thread when the rest of us don't know wat's happened. take it in private if you hate him that much. (this last paragraph applies to espn too.)
how come i've always heard of espn being fxxked up becos of his bullsh!t of bbb and krw and all that, but seldom a word of appreciation for the help and advise he has given? u mean to say his 20k (or watever the amt is i didn't even take note) posts are all ABOUT bbb?
get with the culture of CS or leave. he and anyone else has a serious side, and a playful side. it is evident in this thread alone. espn has given serious advise from what he knows, and has also played and joked around IN THIS THREAD, no need to go search the rest of his posts....
so he sux for joking around too much, but doesn't UNsuck for giving good advise? it doesn't take a 3yo to realise that he doesn't expect or insist that you buy all pro equipment becos he says BBB. u think he gets a commission from nikon? (espn, if you do, you better go eat sh!t) :bsmilie:
take note i'm just using him as an example. it's not becos we are bosom buddies or watever. quite honestly we don't know each other that well except for crapping on CS. he has given me advise on the odd occasion too.
my point for the above is that u gotta take the good with the bad. i could agree that all that bbb and krw sh!t is not helping, but then u CONVENIENTLY forget (or perhaps don't even know about) all the other things he's helped with.
as far as i feel and see, you, tetrode, have contributed LESS to this community than he has. so in that light, you should ease up.
come to think of it, i really dunno when where how and why all this KRW crap started, and yes it's all full of crap, but you don't see me bursting a blood vessel. what makes you and i so different that you do?
as for ur personal vendettas and how it started from which thread, the rest of us DO NOT CARE. don't bring it to this thread when the rest of us don't know wat's happened. take it in private if you hate him that much. (this last paragraph applies to espn too.)
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