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i've tried ISO 100 or 200... photos become abit blur though..

In order to take "not so blur" picture, the shutter speed must be at least 1/25, sometimes 1/20 for steady hand. Therefore, if you are taking photo at low ISO, there must be enough lighting so that the shutter speed is not so low.

If you don't want the camera to decide for you, then you need to observe the speed that is display on the LCD before every shot, if the shutter speed is too low, you need to bring up the ISO. This is the compromise between "Less blur vs Less noise" for low light shooting, off course if you are shooting at bright outdoor, all shots will be good. The points is; you want to have as fast shutter speed as possible in order not to have "blur picture", and you want to have as low "ISO" as possible to have low noice picture.

But if you need to compromise one of then due to situation, noisy pic is better than blur pic.

Just my 2cents contribution.

I have Nikon D80 as well as FujiZ3, Z5. I carry the Z5 with me most of the time for obvious reason, and when I need to take serious pictures, I use my D80 to overcome the limitation of Z5.
 

wow u really have so many cameras... actually where do i check the shutter thing?? 1/25 or 1/20??

here are some photos i took .. with and without flash... still like it without flash

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See the photo below, when you half press the shutter button, there will be 2 numbers appear at the left bottom of the LCD, the left one is the shutter speed and the right one is the apperture setting. 100 means 1/100 second.

Yes, the first picture looks good, and that is most likely the size that you are going to print out. But alots of people forget about the purpose of P&S camera, they start to look at the picture at 100% size and them they claim that the picture is not good.:bsmilie:

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This one you can reshoot but this time at ISO400 or even ISO800. The shutter speed will then be able to go up. Currently it's too slow, so blurness could occur.
 

hmmmm how should i change the shutter speed?? hmmm wat's the ISO for ? some said if i use higher ISO.. the photo will turn out to be blur... and wat's P&S camera?? so what sld i use for normal photo taking ?? for now i'm using either the manual mode..
 

Hi chery08,

From the exif data of the pictures you posted:

Pic 1 (keyboard): f/3.5 1/85s, iso1600. The pic looks grainy due to the noise induced by high iso. The lighting condition is very poor.
Pic 2 (pink piggy): f/3.5 1/20s, iso200. As you can see the noise level (grains) are much lower due to lower iso setting. However, 1/20s shutter speed is very low, again due to the poor lighting. The lighting condition is also very tricky as you have very bright window as background which could fool the camera's metering.
Pic 3 (orange pig?): f/3.5 1/10s, iso800. For this picture the shutter speed is too low and the iso is again quite high, due again to the poor lighting. The pic looks blur due to camera shake.
Pic 4 (teddy bear): f/3.5 1/8s, iso800. Same as pic 3 where the shutter speed is too low and the iso is high, again due to poor lighting.
Pic 5 (living room without flash): f/3.5 1/5s, iso200. The shutter speed is too low, resulting in blurness due to camera shake. Poor lighting condition.
Pic 6 (living room with flash): f/3.5 1/60s, iso200. The pic is now sharper due to higher shutter speed (see the tv buttons). However, the flash is the limiting factor now as it is not powerfull enough to cover the entire wide angle frame at this distance, resulting the center of the pic brighter then the edges.

As you can see, the poor results of your shots are all due to very poor lighting condition, forcing the camera to use either very hight iso, or very low shutter speed when you override the iso setting. The results will be more or less the same even if you use other brand of cameras. Try shooting again in well lit areas.

Hope that helps. :)
 

higher ISO number (eg. 1600) means the more sensitive your camera to light
lower ISO number (eg. 100) means the less sensitive your camera to light

BUT

high ISO number (eg. 1600) will result more noise
low ISO number (eg. 100) will result less noise

for a sample and further explanation on noise you can refer to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_noise

normally blurness is the result of (if you relate it to camera speed (normally called shutter speed)) :
- your camera speed is slower than the moving object speed, or
- if your object doesn't move, your camera speed is slower than your handshake/camera shake movement.

and blurness (intentionally blur, bokeh) also can be the result of your aperture setting or the type of the lens of your camera,
but usually these are not the case for point and shoot camera (such as your Fuji Z5).

as on how to set your camera ISO or camera speed, you can refer to your camera user manual
(http://www.fujifilm.co.uk/technical/download/Z5fd_manual.pdf).
 

hmmmm how should i change the shutter speed?? hmmm wat's the ISO for ? some said if i use higher ISO.. the photo will turn out to be blur... and wat's P&S camera?? so what sld i use for normal photo taking ?? for now i'm using either the manual mode..

In Manual mode, did you set your AF to Center or Multi? You can play with both to see which one best suited you. I always set it to Center.

As for the F-Mode, you can choose auto, or individual ISO settings. It's a pity that Z5fd doesn't have the auto(800) etc, this will leave the camera to adjust itself accordingly but capped to the max ISO that you wanted.

Read your manual and try out whatever examples they list inside, you will get to know your camera more and thus nicer pictures can be achieved.

Keep shooting.
 

Thanks for all the replies
i does help in understanding but as someone new and someone who doesn't like to read the manual... i'm still kind of confused about it but felt more comfortable with this camera now .... guess i just need to keep playing with this cam and get comfortable with it..
 

Thanks for all the replies
i does help in understanding but as someone new and someone who doesn't like to read the manual... i'm still kind of confused about it but felt more comfortable with this camera now .... guess i just need to keep playing with this cam and get comfortable with it..

You can check out some z5fd galleries in pbase. see their exif and their photos. you can see how others use their cameras.

http://www.pbase.com/varacolaci66/springbreak_07

http://www.pbase.com/andy0305/z5

http://www.pbase.com/jimutino/2007
 

Thanks for all the replies
i does help in understanding but as someone new and someone who doesn't like to read the manual... i'm still kind of confused about it but felt more comfortable with this camera now .... guess i just need to keep playing with this cam and get comfortable with it..

good :thumbsup: .. one step at a time .. the links from cpuer is a good start :thumbsup:

happy shooting ;)
 

thanks cpuer.. i see those numbers below but still not too sure about how to set them.. i only know how to use the manual mode to set the ISO for now... :p
Now i'm confused again.. when i'm in the manual mode, i can't change the AF...btw.. wat's AF?? there's another thing that keep popping up when i take photos ... it's the '!AE' in red by the side of the screen.. and also '!(hand sign)' i wondered what it means..
 

you can find the meaning of that warning in your manual book page 131 .. also what AF is .. :bsmilie:
 

thanks cpuer.. i see those numbers below but still not too sure about how to set them.. i only know how to use the manual mode to set the ISO for now... :p
Now i'm confused again.. when i'm in the manual mode, i can't change the AF...btw.. wat's AF?? there's another thing that keep popping up when i take photos ... it's the '!AE' in red by the side of the screen.. and also '!(hand sign)' i wondered what it means..

LOL, please read the manual, these are all there.

z5fd is a pure point and shoot with almost everything auto mode. You cannot adjust much, except the usual ISO, Exposure Compensation and Whitebalance. I am not definitely sure, these adjustment are all mentioned in the manual, so again, read them up.

These camera come with lot's of scene modes, try them out one by one. Transfer them to your pc and review them.

Even when you are not in the designated environment. Like try out sport mode on your young nieces etc etc. There are so many scene modes that you can use, I am sure there should be one that will suit your shooting environment well.

After much experiments, you will come to grasp the strengths and the weaknesses of your camera. From then on, exploit the strengths and avoid its weaknesses.

Happy shooting.
 

thanks cpuer.. i see those numbers below but still not too sure about how to set them.. i only know how to use the manual mode to set the ISO for now... :p
Now i'm confused again.. when i'm in the manual mode, i can't change the AF...btw.. wat's AF?? there's another thing that keep popping up when i take photos ... it's the '!AE' in red by the side of the screen.. and also '!(hand sign)' i wondered what it means..

Hi chery08,

Very good, you have found the problem. :)

The red '!AE' (Auto Exposure warning) is a warning from the camera telling you that the current exposure value is beyond the limit of the camera (can be above or below the limit, but in your case it is below). What this means is that, the camera cannot achieve a proper, good exposure, due probably to very bright or very dark scene. Hence your picture will either turn out too bright (under very bright scene) or too dark (under very dark scene).

The 'hand sign' is a warning telling you that the current shutter speed is too low and will cause camera shake, resulting in blur pictures. This is a tell tale sign that the lighting condition is too dark for your current iso setting.

Here are some fundamentals regarding exposure:
  • 3 settings on your camera control the exposure of a picture by your camera: iso, shutter speed, aperture. For a picture to 'look good' (properly exposed) the camera (or you) will need to adjust these 3 to achieve proper exposure.
  • the iso value sets the sensitivity of the camera's sensor to light. The lower the value, the less sensitive and lower noise it is. The higher the value, the more sensitive but with higher noise (e.g. iso100 is less sensitive and lower noise then iso800). In very dark condition you'll need high iso (hence high sensitivity), but the side effect is higher noise. If left at 'auto' the camera will try to raise this value in dark condition.
  • shutter speed determines how long the camera's sensor is exposed to light when you press the shutter release button (the button to snap a picture). This is indicated by the camera on the lower left of the lcd screen as shown in the picture posted by poh6702 (the value '100'). The higher the value, the faster the shutter speed and hence the shorter the exposure time, because what this actually mean is 1/100s (e.g. 100 => 1/100s is slower then 250 => 1/250s). In very dark condition, the camera will try to lower the shutter speed to allow more light in to achieve proper exposure, but if the shutter speed is too low, the camera will give you the 'hand sign' warning. This is because if the shutter speed is low, any movement of the camera will also be captured onto your picture, resulting in blur image.
  • aperture determines how big the aperture blades are opened up to allow light into the camera. This is indicated by the camera on the lower left of the lcd screen as the value 'F3.5' in the pic above. The smaller the value, the bigger the aperture opening and hence more light hitting the sensor (e.g. F5.6 lets in less light then F3.5). In dark condition, the camera will try to open this up as much as possible, but there is a limit how big it can open.

Now let's see how the camera makes use of these 3 settings. The camera has a build in light meter to measure the amount of light hitting the sensor. This measurement is used to determine whether your picture will be properly exposed. In very dark situation, the camera will detect that the light is insufficient, and will try to compensate by (i) opening up the aperture, (ii) lowering the shutter speed, and (iii) raising the iso (if set to auto mode). If after doing this, the exposure is ok then all is well. If the exposure is ok, but the shutter speed drops too low, it will give you the 'hand sign' warning you the possibility of camera shake which causes blur picture. If after adjusting all 3 and yet the camera is still unable to achieve proper exposure, it will give you the red !AE warning, and if you force the camera to take a pic by pressing the shutter release button, it will turn out dark.

What if you set the iso setting manually? In this case, since you are forcing the iso to be a certain value, the camera will only have aperture and shutter speed to play with, and you'll have higher chance of getting !AE if the iso is set too low.

Of course under very bright condition you can also get !AE warning. In this case it means that the camera had tried lowering the iso, raising shutter speed, and closing up the aperture to their limit and yet unable to achieve a proper exposure. If you force the camera to take a pic, it will turn out too bright.

So in order to take good, sharp and properly exposed picture, you'll want to avoid seeing the '!AE' and 'hand sign'. In situation where it is too dark, you can always turn on the flash (add more light), or use a tripod (reduce camera shake).

Oh, almost forgot. AF means Auto Focus. In a point and shoot camera like the Z5, there is no manual focus function and hence you can't override the focusing.

Hope that helps. Cheers. :)
 

wow ziploc! thanks alot of the long explanation~~~ i kind of understand the meaning now ... :p
Will keep trying to use this cam now... if still doesn't work... guess i'll just use my bro's cam when i go overseas :p
Thanks for everyone help
 

Kowtow to all those who made the effort to do so much explaining.

For threadstarter, read the link below and soon you will be able to get the exposure setting to get the picture quality you want ........ of course within the limits of this small camera. Fujifilm cameras handle noise at high ISO better than most (if not all) other brands (including all the major ones like Sony, Panasonic, Canon, Nikon etc.) and your problem of noise will be be solved by switching to other brands.

Read the topics on Aperture, Exposure, Noise and ISO to understand the exposure relationship between aperture, shutter speed and ISO and how they affect exposure and picture quality.

http://www.photoxels.com/digital-photography-tutorials.html
 

thanks...
some photos i tried out today... still ok.. but color is lacking..
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How much is a Z3? I paid 450.....looks like gana chopped liao!!
 

Hi chery08,

I find it strange that your 2 photos above looked underexposed. Had looked through the exif data but didn't spot any abnormality. I'm guessing that the camera might have some problems. You might want to consider taking it to Fuji service center to have them take a look...
 

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