Look at the post above by creaxion, one have to have different ways of expressing things to different people.
Your friends know you. My friends know me, and they will tolerate my nonsense and mannerisms. Simply because they know me and what I stand for.
Speaking to your friends is different from speaking to a "stranger". The reactions from strangers and others will be different from your friends.
And hey! I am seriously waiting for you to tell me what in my second post that you cannot understand! No hidden agenda meant!
End of the day, i'll still prefer to be truthful, i mean, take a look at the pic, dun think, just the 1st look, how would you feel about this picture... Thats all i am emphasizing... after that, if have time, sit down, note how to improve this pic, then i start to write comments... simple as that... maybe i'm too harsh... maybe i'm even blunt... but those who agree with my post, will agree that, thats how they felt too... nothing bias, nothing against the TS, its the picture... its all along about the picture... those who are mocking, why dun u guys tell them, if they can't provide any other help, y bother? mocking those who is helping as well... all their fun is to fill up their sadistic emptiness...
since u wan my analogy ... well...
here goes...
To the TS, allow me to make some comments
#1
Frankly I prefer your image to those "technically and politically correct" images that one sees in this subforum. I find those images that your critics like to be absolutely boring and "soul-less". This image has the same distortion as "Shower accident" (actually SA has more distortion). But everybody loves that image. Why not this? I have my opinion on why they like SA, but not this one. Give a thought on this and make your own conclusions.
- can u show me the pic about SA? i've not seen that...
- by being technically & politically correct, by definition should be refering to my post... how would you have liked this image instead of a beautiful image without knowing the story of this image? this pic does not have a story, neither the technicality behind it, its as simple as a snapshot and with a bad composition. so if u were to prefer, maybe you could tell me where exactly u prefer? even an image as a whole, have their viable points. do list them without being vague.
#2
You do not have to seriously take into account the opinions that were in CS (Of course this include mine!). In my opinion, much of what were said were nothing but regurgitation of vomitus from those of the same feathers. Listen to all, but BE SELECTIVE about what were said. To be unselective is to show one to be a fool. There are just too many "those who know not they know not, but pretend to know a lot, and then confuse others who really know not with their know-nots".
- I'm wondering, do you think mine was vomitus, or was mine an original comment? cos i took about 10 mins to view, examine, then write... if i just regurgitate it, it will look more like a standard form, and u can hit me just about anything that i write.
- selective or not, depends on recepient, but its unselective like a sponge that makes a fool more knowledgable than a genius who only knows 1+1=2... its about accepting all, and digesting them, and from there make a new form. thats evolution.
- u are still very biased, i dunno who u refering to, so i think u keep refering to me... but overall, i find that u are trying to lead a war against somebody else, y not be direct... no point pointing fingers at blank air...
Frankly, in trying to have your own voice, you should be worried if many like your images.
- ya, be very worried...
BE SELECTIVE! BE HIGHLY SELECTIVE!
I laugh at what were offered as "critiques". What a load of bull! There are people who think they are trying to "educate" others (but I know of one who also made very acid remarks here who spoke against another member when that member talk about "educating" younger members). I will not question their motives. But you think ANY CS member has what it takes to "educate" another?
Anyone can offer their opinion on an image. But anyone can educate another?
- who is the other people? anyway, do u think that u have the capacity to educate? i think everyone have the capacity to comment, to pass a comment about the pic, is to tell how it feels, the delivery process differs from one another, unless everyone need a phD in english before making a comment, else i guess everyone with sound mind could. If everyone could not educate, then there is no point in having kids, since no one could educate another...
#3
I assume you are a relative "newbie". Actually, in "studio" work, I think you already know more than me! But let me say something about "learning".
The traditional way is "to know the basics" - what some people also paraphrased as "learn to walk before one learns to run". This is a valid approach to learning photography ( and other things such as kung-fu!)
However, there are other approaches to learning. One such approach is to "run before walking". Impossible? Well from the perspective of using the human baby as an example, it is impossible. But why not chose the foal as an example? Anyway, we are digressing.
It is the true ignoramuses who insist that one must "learn to walk before one runs". Let me assure you that there are teachers (not half-baked photographers in CS) which did just the opposite! Teaching the students to learn to express right from the beginning, and only offering technical assistance when such technical issues are required. Meaning, learn to swim when you are in the water. No need to learn the basics of water dynamics and muscle kinesiology before you jump into the pool.
I will warn you that if you are not selective about whom you take advice from, you will make images like everybody else. Unless you are one very special individual, you WILL make images like everybody else - technically and politically correct. You will be welcomed into their community because you make images like them. In other words, you have become a clone.
Do not believe me? Just look at the images in this subforum.
- from what i understand, like rules of thirds, seriously, i dun even know what the hell is it, i only read it once, but an image, if its nice, its nice, no need rules of thirds or anything else, even break rules make a nice image correct? but if its not a nice picture, no point argue about creativity, and anything else... i dun think i need my clones, hence i only give them advices based on what i felt is lacking... if that makes them my clones... then i think its a scary world...
#4
You mentioned that you have different opinions of depicting ideas. This is great! This is excellent! Do not lose this at any cost even if this means gettiing ridiculed from a thousand quarters!
But of course, no image is perfect. And you will always find faults with any image.
The important thing is that YOU should like your image. Be your own most severe ctitic. Look intently at your image again and again. At different times of the day. When you are tired. When you are depressed. When you are happy etc. See how your emotion and your mind react to the image. Make your images from your heart. Use only your mind when analysing your image.
Obviously, I am not interested in those and their images who insist on total control -meaning the mind comes into play at full force at the time of making the image. (well there are exceptions to this - but the exceptions are not in CS - these exceptions are people who are true artists, with a strong ability to write great stories photographically).
With exceptions, most of these images (made with the mind at full and total control) are sterile. Make them if you wish to make images like these.
- There is nothing wrong about liking a picture... i have pics i like, but i dun post them... cos i know that most will not like it... i just dun post... simple enuff... if i do post them, i'll be prepared to get comments... thats how i felt.
Overall, i find that this post u write, u did not have the TS in mind, instead, another hidden slashing on others... trying to rally TS to join your side and bash others... thats how i felt. No point asking others to take the knife while you're still the mastermind... I'm blunt & i know it...