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DCA, I do not think that you are a malignant bloke, and I will try to clarify what you do not understand regarding what I wrote.

I can understand your inability to understand this "@#@*&s!!!!!!"

This is a word which I do not want to spell out for fear of getting an unnecessary infraction;p . This word summarised by reaction to the comments made in this thread before me.

Why did I write this? Right from the beginning, starting with yours, and with people subsequently joining in to ridicule Narloke, if is inevitable that you guys had put Narloke into a negative frame of mind. In substance, your questions are not inappropriate, but the deliverance and thought given to it (ie the deliverance) is sure to get a negative response. And I do not think it is your intention to get a negative response. But it will. And hence, your intention to help will fail. Therefore the purpose of giving a "critique" will not succeed. Maybe not your post per se, but with the rest joining in (in the manner of your "Y"), mocking in, the end result is assured. Therefore I wrote "@#@*&s!!!!!"

Now tell me exactly what in the second quote you do not understand. I will try to clarify.

i was using short forms, if its mockery then i guess everyone is entitled to their views... the rest hopped in for other reasons i do not know, but i do say, with every critique i wrote, i did not just look at it blindly, i looked at it more than once, at least 5 times every single details i will take note then i write them down. end of the day, only i know that what i did is not based on other influences, i write and solely responsible for myself. I dun get it why others say i am influenced by DP... The way i write, is entirely different from him. And i believe DP is also a unique character by himself, like you... we think differently... we perceive differently, and we deliver differently, but to start a flame here about one another is wrong... all of you digress to a state where i dun even know if this is a gallery section...

anyway, if i wanna mock a person, i'll do it 10 times worse... and in other sections. no point doing it here when i am to share, y think so much before u mock? correct?
 

The posted photos sucked. Big time. I would flush it down the toilet if I had shot those. You guys needed 15 pages to determine that. LOL.
 

As I mentioned elsewhere, I do not think you are a malignant person, and I can discuss things with you. Now let us dissect things in order

Student, my personal opinion of u is that u always jump to conclusions abt certain things.

Can you tell in precise terms and examples how I "always jump to conclusions about certain things. Do not make sweeping statements unless you can substantiate your statement.

I am waiting eagerly for the examples for these instances.

creaxion said:
... method of delivery becomes impt. Method of delivery differs from person to person. It can be harsh, soft, etc, etc when coming to criticisms. If the office practises an open culture, harsh criticisms is ok cause the environment is safe and u know that the deliverer meant good. I practise diff methods of delivery as a manager and leader. Depends from person to person really.

I fully accept that different situations call for different manner of delvery styles. But this is exactly what I was talking about, isn't it?

Are you not agreeing with me that the method of delivery is important?

creaxion said:
To TS, I am not asking you to accept all the pts made. Be selective but dun reject all the pts made. Reflect and sieve thru the comments.

Again what you are saying is in full agreement with me!

That one should be selective!


So when did I jump to conclusions?
 

They were just being nice. Basically, they were/are asking you to shut up.
 

i was using short forms, if its mockery then i guess everyone is entitled to their views... the rest hopped in for other reasons i do not know, but i do say, with every critique i wrote, i did not just look at it blindly, i looked at it more than once, at least 5 times every single details i will take note then i write them down. end of the day, only i know that what i did is not based on other influences, i write and solely responsible for myself. I dun get it why others say i am influenced by DP... The way i write, is entirely different from him. And i believe DP is also a unique character by himself, like you... we think differently... we perceive differently, and we deliver differently, but to start a flame here about one another is wrong... all of you digress to a state where i dun even know if this is a gallery section...


I do not think for a moment that you were trying to mock narloke. As I said, your questions have merits. And I believe you meant well. But I could see that the manner of your delivery will invite the sort of rersponses from narloke and others that followed. And in the end, you did not achieve what you intended to do. But even before the other jumped in the band wagon, using your "Y ", I could see it coming. Look at the posts after yours, they all used your "Y".

As for DP, there is something I know about him that you do not know. Leave it at that.

Now I am still waiting for you to tell me what in my second post here that you do not understand.
 

I do not think for a moment that you were trying to mock narloke. As I said, your questions have merits. And I believe you meant well. But I could see that the manner of your delivery will invite the sort of rersponses from narloke and others that followed. And in the end, you did not achieve what you intended to do. But even before the other jumped in the band wagon, using your "Y ", I could see it coming. Look at the posts after yours, they all used your "Y".

As for DP, there is something I know about him that you do not know. Leave it at that.

Now I am still waiting for you to tell me what in my second post here that you do not understand.

would it be any different if i used Why?
 

I think DP makes better sense than you. If I had a photo to show, I would prefer to read what DP says than what you have to offer.
 

I think DP makes better sense than you. If I had a photo to show, I would prefer to read what DP says than what you have to offer.

eh sis, or u bro... aiya, either way... can use quote bo... u like attack me liddat...
 

Not referring to you DCA bro. I was referring to bigmouth.
 

would it be any different if i used Why?

I will not be dogmatic on this. But I feel that if you had phrased your questions something like this (I am not going to write the whole thing!)

"Can you please explain why you pose the model this way with her head looking up, hands on her knees etc and created a perspective distortion with a wide angle lens."

Then what you wrote will unlikely be used as a platform for others to launch their mockery on narloke. They may still mock, and I believe they will, but they will not be jumping on your bandwagon.

In your post, you used 10 "Ys".

Just say it loud what you wrote to narloke, to someone else, and see the response.

Better still, say the "Y" with different accentuation, and see the difference.
 

I will not be dogmatic on this. But I feel that if you had phrased your questions something like this (I am not going to write the whole thing!)

"Can you please explain why you pose the model this way with her head looking up, hands on her knees etc and created a perspective distortion with a wide angle lens."

Then what you wrote will unlikely be used as a platform for others to launch their mockery on narloke. They may still mock, and I believe they will, but they will not be jumping on your bandwagon.

In your post, you used 10 "Ys".

Just say it loud what you wrote to narloke, to someone else, and see the response.

Better still, say the "Y" with different accentuation, and see the difference.

maybe so... but thats how i tell my frens who show me their pics... i'll go... Y u do tis... y dun crop tis, y dun u change position... then they go... ya hor... guess its darn tiring to give critic, have to think of the picture, think of how to comment and now language and delivery... maybe if i'm paid to give comments, i'll do it again, else those who are out to mock others will have another go at shooting me down again... sick ********
 

maybe so... but thats how i tell my frens who show me their pics... i'll go... Y u do tis... y dun crop tis, y dun u change position... then they go... ya hor... guess its darn tiring to give critic, have to think of the picture, think of how to comment and now language and delivery... maybe if i'm paid to give comments, i'll do it again, else those who are out to mock others will have another go at shooting me down again... sick ********
bro, ok lah i think you've made it quite clear that you didn't intend to mock or insult the TS and really wanted to help.

but in this case i think it's really not obvious. internet not like face to face, cannot see the other guy's expression, cannot hear the tone of voice. i know when i first read your comment i also thought you were trying to be funny. just... call it a misunderstanding?
 

maybe so... but thats how i tell my frens who show me their pics... i'll go... Y u do tis... y dun crop tis, y dun u change position... then they go... ya hor... guess its darn tiring to give critic, have to think of the picture, think of how to comment and now language and delivery... maybe if i'm paid to give comments, i'll do it again, else those who are out to mock others will have another go at shooting me down again... sick ********

Look at the post above by creaxion, one have to have different ways of expressing things to different people.

Your friends know you. My friends know me, and they will tolerate my nonsense and mannerisms. Simply because they know me and what I stand for.

Speaking to your friends is different from speaking to a "stranger". The reactions from strangers and others will be different from your friends.

And hey! I am seriously waiting for you to tell me what in my second post that you cannot understand! No hidden agenda meant!
 

bro, ok lah i think you've made it quite clear that you didn't intend to mock or insult the TS and really wanted to help.

but in this case i think it's really not obvious. internet not like face to face, cannot see the other guy's expression, cannot hear the tone of voice. i know when i first read your comment i also thought you were trying to be funny. just... call it a misunderstanding?

ya lah bro... if i wanna mock, i do it in kopitiam... in this gallery section, its all about sharing, i just wanna share how i feel, and in simplest way possible... guess have to go the long way...

ppl who start war or flame, ought to be kicked from this section... nothing to contribute but misery...
 

errr excuse me.

can i now abuse my useless title as miss singapore, jump out, wave the white flag and call for some World Peace here?

some people are overly sensitive, some are itching for a fight.
some just want to increase their posts while some just scratching their backside.

love,mia
 

Hahahahaha.....itchy backside.....Mia is right. This is getting nowhere.
Too many egos in the room already. Best suggestion is that, lets all walk
outta here. And never look back. And close this thread.
 

Look at the post above by creaxion, one have to have different ways of expressing things to different people.

Your friends know you. My friends know me, and they will tolerate my nonsense and mannerisms. Simply because they know me and what I stand for.

Speaking to your friends is different from speaking to a "stranger". The reactions from strangers and others will be different from your friends.

And hey! I am seriously waiting for you to tell me what in my second post that you cannot understand! No hidden agenda meant!

End of the day, i'll still prefer to be truthful, i mean, take a look at the pic, dun think, just the 1st look, how would you feel about this picture... Thats all i am emphasizing... after that, if have time, sit down, note how to improve this pic, then i start to write comments... simple as that... maybe i'm too harsh... maybe i'm even blunt... but those who agree with my post, will agree that, thats how they felt too... nothing bias, nothing against the TS, its the picture... its all along about the picture... those who are mocking, why dun u guys tell them, if they can't provide any other help, y bother? mocking those who is helping as well... all their fun is to fill up their sadistic emptiness...

since u wan my analogy ... well...

here goes...

To the TS, allow me to make some comments

#1

Frankly I prefer your image to those "technically and politically correct" images that one sees in this subforum. I find those images that your critics like to be absolutely boring and "soul-less". This image has the same distortion as "Shower accident" (actually SA has more distortion). But everybody loves that image. Why not this? I have my opinion on why they like SA, but not this one. Give a thought on this and make your own conclusions.

- can u show me the pic about SA? i've not seen that...
- by being technically & politically correct, by definition should be refering to my post... how would you have liked this image instead of a beautiful image without knowing the story of this image? this pic does not have a story, neither the technicality behind it, its as simple as a snapshot and with a bad composition. so if u were to prefer, maybe you could tell me where exactly u prefer? even an image as a whole, have their viable points. do list them without being vague.


#2

You do not have to seriously take into account the opinions that were in CS (Of course this include mine!). In my opinion, much of what were said were nothing but regurgitation of vomitus from those of the same feathers. Listen to all, but BE SELECTIVE about what were said. To be unselective is to show one to be a fool. There are just too many "those who know not they know not, but pretend to know a lot, and then confuse others who really know not with their know-nots".

- I'm wondering, do you think mine was vomitus, or was mine an original comment? cos i took about 10 mins to view, examine, then write... if i just regurgitate it, it will look more like a standard form, and u can hit me just about anything that i write.
- selective or not, depends on recepient, but its unselective like a sponge that makes a fool more knowledgable than a genius who only knows 1+1=2... its about accepting all, and digesting them, and from there make a new form. thats evolution.
- u are still very biased, i dunno who u refering to, so i think u keep refering to me... but overall, i find that u are trying to lead a war against somebody else, y not be direct... no point pointing fingers at blank air...


Frankly, in trying to have your own voice, you should be worried if many like your images.

- ya, be very worried...

BE SELECTIVE! BE HIGHLY SELECTIVE!

I laugh at what were offered as "critiques". What a load of bull! There are people who think they are trying to "educate" others (but I know of one who also made very acid remarks here who spoke against another member when that member talk about "educating" younger members). I will not question their motives. But you think ANY CS member has what it takes to "educate" another?

Anyone can offer their opinion on an image. But anyone can educate another?


- who is the other people? anyway, do u think that u have the capacity to educate? i think everyone have the capacity to comment, to pass a comment about the pic, is to tell how it feels, the delivery process differs from one another, unless everyone need a phD in english before making a comment, else i guess everyone with sound mind could. If everyone could not educate, then there is no point in having kids, since no one could educate another...


#3

I assume you are a relative "newbie". Actually, in "studio" work, I think you already know more than me! But let me say something about "learning".

The traditional way is "to know the basics" - what some people also paraphrased as "learn to walk before one learns to run". This is a valid approach to learning photography ( and other things such as kung-fu!)

However, there are other approaches to learning. One such approach is to "run before walking". Impossible? Well from the perspective of using the human baby as an example, it is impossible. But why not chose the foal as an example? Anyway, we are digressing.

It is the true ignoramuses who insist that one must "learn to walk before one runs". Let me assure you that there are teachers (not half-baked photographers in CS) which did just the opposite! Teaching the students to learn to express right from the beginning, and only offering technical assistance when such technical issues are required. Meaning, learn to swim when you are in the water. No need to learn the basics of water dynamics and muscle kinesiology before you jump into the pool.

I will warn you that if you are not selective about whom you take advice from, you will make images like everybody else. Unless you are one very special individual, you WILL make images like everybody else - technically and politically correct. You will be welcomed into their community because you make images like them. In other words, you have become a clone.

Do not believe me? Just look at the images in this subforum.

- from what i understand, like rules of thirds, seriously, i dun even know what the hell is it, i only read it once, but an image, if its nice, its nice, no need rules of thirds or anything else, even break rules make a nice image correct? but if its not a nice picture, no point argue about creativity, and anything else... i dun think i need my clones, hence i only give them advices based on what i felt is lacking... if that makes them my clones... then i think its a scary world...

#4

You mentioned that you have different opinions of depicting ideas. This is great! This is excellent! Do not lose this at any cost even if this means gettiing ridiculed from a thousand quarters!

But of course, no image is perfect. And you will always find faults with any image.

The important thing is that YOU should like your image. Be your own most severe ctitic. Look intently at your image again and again. At different times of the day. When you are tired. When you are depressed. When you are happy etc. See how your emotion and your mind react to the image. Make your images from your heart. Use only your mind when analysing your image.

Obviously, I am not interested in those and their images who insist on total control -meaning the mind comes into play at full force at the time of making the image. (well there are exceptions to this - but the exceptions are not in CS - these exceptions are people who are true artists, with a strong ability to write great stories photographically).

With exceptions, most of these images (made with the mind at full and total control) are sterile. Make them if you wish to make images like these.

- There is nothing wrong about liking a picture... i have pics i like, but i dun post them... cos i know that most will not like it... i just dun post... simple enuff... if i do post them, i'll be prepared to get comments... thats how i felt.

Overall, i find that this post u write, u did not have the TS in mind, instead, another hidden slashing on others... trying to rally TS to join your side and bash others... thats how i felt. No point asking others to take the knife while you're still the mastermind... I'm blunt & i know it...
 

I love the way Bigmouth tries to be diplomatic about the way we deliver our comments in this forum. Wasn't he the one that called others "idoits" and F***heads when things don't go his way?
 

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