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Well, i guess those supposingly go to the me is on the way to the others :bigeyes:
u want to c Shower Accident pic, here it goes, but maybe another one you don't like, so maybe u prepare something to prepare your eyes:bsmilie:
Del_CtrlnoAlt
Senior Member
Well, i guess those supposingly go to the me is on the way to the others :bigeyes:
u want to c Shower Accident pic, here it goes, but maybe another one you don't like, so maybe u prepare something to prepare your eyes:bsmilie:
Actually, this shot have the right ingredient, the right look, the right ambience, the perfect expression. Cos ppl will just be drawn into her expression automatically. Its a shot that ppl will automatically say WOW... cos its more of an expression piece of art than a technical piece...
as compared to the 1st shot, the 1st shot pales in the expression, her look just doesn't seem right. The pose is weird, then slowly it makes me wanna find the problem entirely, which goes on the entirely wrong. Creativity is 1 thing, the theme does not fit the pose, and so on and so forth. There is no drawing point except for her b**bs... sorry for the bluntness... in every shot, there is sure to be something that attracts you, maybe you could explain which is the part that attracts you, and we could share some ideas.
btw who shot tis? u?
Nobody else of course, since the girl in this pic is my gf. :think:
Del_CtrlnoAlt
Senior Member
time to go shopping with my gf liao...
u haven say which part of the 1st pic attracts u to post... wanna understand from your point of view. :sweatsm:
If i say the truth, u may not believe me. I've never tried to anatomize a shot like you did on either mine or other's. To me, the "click" resides in the feeling... the mood that a pic brings to me, no matter it's a muted blurred image by a mobile phone or a super sharp image with highly saturated colors, as long as it resonates my soul, that's enuf. So i just can't give you the type of answer you want, since it's even much harder for me to analyle than doing a statistical fourier transform:bsmilie:
panzerpunk
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Didn't we see the picture before?
This reply is strictly to DCA since he did not understand what I wrote.
I am all for truthfulness! Please retain that.
What I am saying is that truth can be delivered in different manners.
OK, now for the rest!
Please note carefully what I wrote. Please first read carefully what I wrote. Where did I say I liked this image? I said that I PREFER this image to the rest. You have created something which did not exist.
Regarding "stories". You think the pretty pictures of such like those wonderful models by Modelinn and otthers have a story? Those beautifully taken pictures have a story?
I was not referring to your post when I say "technically and politically correct". I was referring to the general atmosphere of CS (especially those who critique) mentality of what an image should be. But you happened to be also one of these.
Why do I prefer this picture even though they were "faults" that many find disagreeable?
Because this image is different. Because norlake dares to be different. He dares to take pictures compositionally different. He sees differently. This picture is norlake.
The image might be flawed, I do not wish to dispute that. Whether I am concerned enough is another matter. DP was. Yet even DP mentioned that it was not so much the composition that he objected to, but the execution. I have no quarrel with him on that. I may disagree. But I will not quarrel over that.
Vomitus is something that gets regurgitated without being digested properly.
(a) I appreciate that you took the time to think and write. And what you wrote have more merit than the hordes of nonsense that follow. However, your questions were directed to norlake to think about the image. They were not primarily to understand norlake's intention. I do not claim to understand norlake well. I do not even know him personally. But I had seen the image of Shower Accident. And I know he presented that image intentionally.
(b) It is your perogative to accept all and digest all. I won't. When I see sh1t, I will not eat it. OK, that is a little strong. If I see something that I know do not contribute to my well being, I will not eat it. norlake is not a fool. He knows what he wants. When he sees comments that try to divert his direction, he wisely rejects them.
Outside CS, there are many great photographers. norlake is not one of these greats. But he has the same attitude. See my thread on "Giovanni" where I wrote a little story on Antonin Kratochvil.
(c) BTW, a genius not only knows 1+1=2. He also knows why.
(d), Am I biased against someone? It is common knowledge that I have little regards for DP. In actual fact, not so much for his comments, but something more fundamental. I do not wish to elaborate further. I do not go out to contradict DP because I happened to enjoy that. Most of what he wrote are correct, conventionally speaking. However, DP made his comments to be like dogmas and dictums, and anything which did not agree with him is sh1t and sucks. Obviously I also despise his manner of delivery.
(e)Frankly, in trying to have your own voice, you should be worried if many like your images.
- ya, be very worried...
Why? Because of the atmosphere of insisting on "technically and politically correctness". If one chose to travel in unfamiliar and different routes, he will face opposition. Only the yes men will be accepted.
To educate another one, one must have something to offer. Something meaningful.
I see all types of people here. There were the genuinely knowledgeable, technically and artistically. One that came into mind is Skye Tan. Go and look at his comments on others and see the difference. There are those who are ignorant, but genuinely try to help. When their errors were pointed out, they have the insight to quickly acknowledge their mistake, apologise for giving out inaccurate info, learnt, and move on. Then there are those who think they know but in actual fact not. These are terrible. Because they are able to shout they cowed others into thinking they are right, and in doing so, lead others in wrong paths.
The words you chose showed your mindset.
"Nice".
By what photography dictums must an image be nice? Why can't a photographer make an image that is "not nice"?
You mean making nice images is a preprequisite to creativity?:bigeyes:
You see, you do not even know that you had put yourself in a cage. And you want to talk about creativity? In making this statement you showed how challenged you are with regards to photography as an art.
And not only that, you just might have problems besides photography too!
Who should give critiques?
In this last comments, you did something which I do not like to do. That is to question motives. You may be blunt. I am even more! I will be very blunt now. You are not the malignant type. You are just not very smart. You are not smart enough to be malignant. I do not question your intention. But your writings showed you to be a little lacking in certain faculties.
Much of what I wrote to norlake is to help him in his chosen path, by
(a) Telling him that I prefer his kind of imagery to those eyecandies.
(b) Encouraging him to stick to his own way of expression
(c) Informing him that courting acceptance by the majority will surely kill his vision
(d) Proposing to him (strongly) that he should be selective about comments and critiques.
(e) Suggesting to him that one does not need to "learn to walk before running" although that was the traditional way.
And a last note:
You think I am trying to get norlake to be on "my side"? To help me bash others?
This again showed how lacking your are in certain areas. A person who dares and wants to make a picture like Yuki is one with a strong sense of self. You think norlake needs to be on my side?
Honestly, if I wish to bash someone, I need help?
I am all for truthfulness! Please retain that.
What I am saying is that truth can be delivered in different manners.
OK, now for the rest!
Del_CtrlnoAlt said:
Please note carefully what I wrote. Please first read carefully what I wrote. Where did I say I liked this image? I said that I PREFER this image to the rest. You have created something which did not exist.
Regarding "stories". You think the pretty pictures of such like those wonderful models by Modelinn and otthers have a story? Those beautifully taken pictures have a story?
I was not referring to your post when I say "technically and politically correct". I was referring to the general atmosphere of CS (especially those who critique) mentality of what an image should be. But you happened to be also one of these.
Why do I prefer this picture even though they were "faults" that many find disagreeable?
Because this image is different. Because norlake dares to be different. He dares to take pictures compositionally different. He sees differently. This picture is norlake.
The image might be flawed, I do not wish to dispute that. Whether I am concerned enough is another matter. DP was. Yet even DP mentioned that it was not so much the composition that he objected to, but the execution. I have no quarrel with him on that. I may disagree. But I will not quarrel over that.
Del_CtrlnoAlt said:
Vomitus is something that gets regurgitated without being digested properly.
(a) I appreciate that you took the time to think and write. And what you wrote have more merit than the hordes of nonsense that follow. However, your questions were directed to norlake to think about the image. They were not primarily to understand norlake's intention. I do not claim to understand norlake well. I do not even know him personally. But I had seen the image of Shower Accident. And I know he presented that image intentionally.
(b) It is your perogative to accept all and digest all. I won't. When I see sh1t, I will not eat it. OK, that is a little strong. If I see something that I know do not contribute to my well being, I will not eat it. norlake is not a fool. He knows what he wants. When he sees comments that try to divert his direction, he wisely rejects them.
Outside CS, there are many great photographers. norlake is not one of these greats. But he has the same attitude. See my thread on "Giovanni" where I wrote a little story on Antonin Kratochvil.
(c) BTW, a genius not only knows 1+1=2. He also knows why.
(d), Am I biased against someone? It is common knowledge that I have little regards for DP. In actual fact, not so much for his comments, but something more fundamental. I do not wish to elaborate further. I do not go out to contradict DP because I happened to enjoy that. Most of what he wrote are correct, conventionally speaking. However, DP made his comments to be like dogmas and dictums, and anything which did not agree with him is sh1t and sucks. Obviously I also despise his manner of delivery.
(e)Frankly, in trying to have your own voice, you should be worried if many like your images.
- ya, be very worried...
Why? Because of the atmosphere of insisting on "technically and politically correctness". If one chose to travel in unfamiliar and different routes, he will face opposition. Only the yes men will be accepted.
Del_CtrlnoAlt said:
To educate another one, one must have something to offer. Something meaningful.
I see all types of people here. There were the genuinely knowledgeable, technically and artistically. One that came into mind is Skye Tan. Go and look at his comments on others and see the difference. There are those who are ignorant, but genuinely try to help. When their errors were pointed out, they have the insight to quickly acknowledge their mistake, apologise for giving out inaccurate info, learnt, and move on. Then there are those who think they know but in actual fact not. These are terrible. Because they are able to shout they cowed others into thinking they are right, and in doing so, lead others in wrong paths.
Del_CtrlnoAlt said:
The words you chose showed your mindset.
"Nice".
By what photography dictums must an image be nice? Why can't a photographer make an image that is "not nice"?
You mean making nice images is a preprequisite to creativity?:bigeyes:
You see, you do not even know that you had put yourself in a cage. And you want to talk about creativity? In making this statement you showed how challenged you are with regards to photography as an art.
And not only that, you just might have problems besides photography too!
Who should give critiques?
Del_CtrlnoAlt said:
In this last comments, you did something which I do not like to do. That is to question motives. You may be blunt. I am even more! I will be very blunt now. You are not the malignant type. You are just not very smart. You are not smart enough to be malignant. I do not question your intention. But your writings showed you to be a little lacking in certain faculties.
Much of what I wrote to norlake is to help him in his chosen path, by
(a) Telling him that I prefer his kind of imagery to those eyecandies.
(b) Encouraging him to stick to his own way of expression
(c) Informing him that courting acceptance by the majority will surely kill his vision
(d) Proposing to him (strongly) that he should be selective about comments and critiques.
(e) Suggesting to him that one does not need to "learn to walk before running" although that was the traditional way.
And a last note:
You think I am trying to get norlake to be on "my side"? To help me bash others?
This again showed how lacking your are in certain areas. A person who dares and wants to make a picture like Yuki is one with a strong sense of self. You think norlake needs to be on my side?
Honestly, if I wish to bash someone, I need help?
hi saline009,
not too comfortable with the way you are participating in this discussion.
are you trying to stir something?
(conspiracy thinking: are you an existing member with a new acct for the purpose of playing along? (meant as a joke))
i think at pg16 now, the matter has now gone beyond narloke's photo, which was just a trigger. i'm actually glad we are addressing some underlying issues.
analogy:
some said that if the picture is bad, and many people agree, then it most likely is bad.
similarly, if the approach is too harsh (in a attacking way), and many people agree, then most likely there's some truth in it. any comments?
DCA, for me, i think the bad comments came after you, your 1st post was fair and square to me.
not too comfortable with the way you are participating in this discussion.
are you trying to stir something?
(conspiracy thinking: are you an existing member with a new acct for the purpose of playing along? (meant as a joke))
i think at pg16 now, the matter has now gone beyond narloke's photo, which was just a trigger. i'm actually glad we are addressing some underlying issues.
analogy:
some said that if the picture is bad, and many people agree, then it most likely is bad.
similarly, if the approach is too harsh (in a attacking way), and many people agree, then most likely there's some truth in it. any comments?
DCA, for me, i think the bad comments came after you, your 1st post was fair and square to me.
Del_CtrlnoAlt
Senior Member
Please note carefully what I wrote. Please first read carefully what I wrote. Where did I say I liked this image? I said that I PREFER this image to the rest. You have created something which did not exist.
- hmm, another english session, so u prefer, over which image in particular? isn't prefer over something is a liking over another, if u do not like, how do you prefer? or are you saying both are not up to standard, u got no choice, but to choose this instead... so keyword is instead. But i have no doubts now u prefer this pic, but show me the other pics in question.
Regarding "stories". You think the pretty pictures of such like those wonderful models by Modelinn have a story? Those beautifully taken pictures have a story?
- obviously they have a theme, and likewise, either a image in portraiture tells a story of a person, or a image destroy the person. For what i know, i thought this part is more than just sitting & smiling, so i would obviously think of pics that portray them as beauty. Maybe perhaps i failed to view that beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, but the 1st pic does lack the standard to bring out the beauty in her. U should know what i mean.
I was not referring to your post when I say "technically and politically correct". I was referring to the general atmosphere of CS (especially those who critique) mentality of what an image should be. But you happened to be also one of these.
- thanks... so i should stop wat i am doing... thanks for reminding me... so maybe i ask you a question, which do you prefer, someone offering their honest comments, or those who have nothing to do but pick on people who post honest comments
Why do I prefer this picture even though they were "faults" that many find disagreeable?
Because this image is different. Because norlake dares to be different. He dares to take pictures compositionally different. He sees differently. This picture is norlake.
The image might be flawed, I do not wish to dispute that. Whether I am concerned enough is another matter. DP was. Yet even DP mentioned that it was not so much the composition that he objected to, but the execution. I have no quarrel with him on that. I may disagree. But I will not quarrel over that.
- okie, its narloke not norlake... anyway, each of us see differently doesn't mean that there is no common parts... everybody have 2 eyes, 1 nose, 1 mouth on the face, maybe some have lesser, but overall, the basic is the same. I'm not saying that narloke can't shoot like tis, just that if we're all on the common ground, its more of the norm that most ppl would accept... its same like u go to a library, do you shout out loud knowing that its wrong yet, you wanna express yourself to be different... narloke have done a nice SA shot, its refreshing, its something that i have to compliment its creative. But this shot, even u said u dun like (dun play word game again... thanks), u said u prefer... but still the basic is flawed... there is room for improvement, so why is the arguement?
Vomitus is something that gets regurgitated without being digested properly.
- Ya... my english wasn't that bad afterall... at least i know what came out from my mouth when i am sick...
(a) I appreciate that you took the time to think and write. And what you wrote have more merit than the hordes of nonsense that follow. However, your questions were directed to norlake to think about the image. They were not primarily to understand norlake's intention. I do not claim to understand norlake well. I do not even know him personally. But I had seen the image of Shower Accident. And I know he presented that image intentionally.
- thats the point, think and answer... i din see that SA pic before, maybe i had, but i did not know it was shot by him, if i do, maybe i might ask another set of question... that said... its better left untouched... and the problem lies with u guys think too much... i wrote and pressed the submit reply button... if he had answered, then the intention would be known rite... or am i wrong again.
(b) It is your perogative to accept all and digest all. I won't. When I see sh1t, I will not eat it. OK, that is a little strong. If I see something that I know do not contribute to my well being, I will not eat it. norlake is not a fool. He knows what he wants. When he sees comments that try to divert his direction, he wisely rejects them.
Outside CS, there are many great photographers. norlake is not one of these greats. But he has the same attitude. See my thread on "Giovanni" where I wrote a little story on Antonin Kratochvil.
- To be creative is to learn everything there is, isn't it right, or to retain the primitive understanding from birth will make u more creative than others? If u had not read a book, how would u know its harmful to your mind? Overall, i had not said Narloke is a fool... but that his shot wasn't a norm. Not a standard, from my perspective, beautifying the subject, or making an expressive statement. maybe something comes along, i might add more to my dictionary.
- also, i seriously do not know any great photographers, i dun even know who the hell is Antonin... cos to me, i'm very simple, if a picture is nice, its nice, if its not, then too bad.. It doesn't take a great photographer to separate nice pics and not so nice pic.
(c) BTW, a genius not only knows 1+1=2. He also knows why.
- Why did he know? cos he was curious to find out...
(d), Am I biased against someone? It is common knowledge that I have little regards for DP. In actual fact, not so much for his comments, but something more fundamental. I do not wish to elaborate further. I do not go out to contradict DP because I happened to enjoy that. Most of what he wrote are correct, conventionally speaking. However, DP made his comments to be like dogmas and dictums, and anything which did not agree with him is sh1t and sucks. Obviously I also despise his manner of delivery.
- I'm not going to interfere about u & dp, since not my problem anyway... its the rest who wanna label me & DP thats disturbing... hmm, actually from what i see between u 2 is, 1 is soft, 1 is hard, 1 is direct, 1 is indirect... u both seem to be like the devil & the angel... but i just dunno which is which... i'm earth... i dun belong to either league... cos i agree with some of DP & some of yours, not entirely, cos i'm also a unique individual.
(e)Frankly, in trying to have your own voice, you should be worried if many like your images.
- ya, be very worried...
Why? Because of the atmosphere of insisting on "technically and politically correctness". If one chose to travel in unfamiliar and different routes, he will face opposition. Only the yes men will be accepted.
- Not really, portraits ain't abstract, maybe not say a direct opposite, but abstract, u get 50/50 of people liking or hating it, but with portrait, its about 80% of ppl should have common consensus how a nice image will be, and a nice image is something thats something that makes u go WOW. thats how i feel...
To educate another one, one must have something to offer. Something meaningful.
- I gave him something meaningful, others i dunno, but those who agree with my comments, know where i am coming from... I thank u guys from the bottom of my heart, of course, the TS finally understood as well, which is the most important... the rest are just noise... of course, your comments are nice as well, so is DP's. He is direct, and the least he did not do is that he did not create a smoke screen to blind others.
- hmm, another english session, so u prefer, over which image in particular? isn't prefer over something is a liking over another, if u do not like, how do you prefer? or are you saying both are not up to standard, u got no choice, but to choose this instead... so keyword is instead. But i have no doubts now u prefer this pic, but show me the other pics in question.
Regarding "stories". You think the pretty pictures of such like those wonderful models by Modelinn have a story? Those beautifully taken pictures have a story?
- obviously they have a theme, and likewise, either a image in portraiture tells a story of a person, or a image destroy the person. For what i know, i thought this part is more than just sitting & smiling, so i would obviously think of pics that portray them as beauty. Maybe perhaps i failed to view that beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, but the 1st pic does lack the standard to bring out the beauty in her. U should know what i mean.
I was not referring to your post when I say "technically and politically correct". I was referring to the general atmosphere of CS (especially those who critique) mentality of what an image should be. But you happened to be also one of these.
- thanks... so i should stop wat i am doing... thanks for reminding me... so maybe i ask you a question, which do you prefer, someone offering their honest comments, or those who have nothing to do but pick on people who post honest comments
Why do I prefer this picture even though they were "faults" that many find disagreeable?
Because this image is different. Because norlake dares to be different. He dares to take pictures compositionally different. He sees differently. This picture is norlake.
The image might be flawed, I do not wish to dispute that. Whether I am concerned enough is another matter. DP was. Yet even DP mentioned that it was not so much the composition that he objected to, but the execution. I have no quarrel with him on that. I may disagree. But I will not quarrel over that.
- okie, its narloke not norlake... anyway, each of us see differently doesn't mean that there is no common parts... everybody have 2 eyes, 1 nose, 1 mouth on the face, maybe some have lesser, but overall, the basic is the same. I'm not saying that narloke can't shoot like tis, just that if we're all on the common ground, its more of the norm that most ppl would accept... its same like u go to a library, do you shout out loud knowing that its wrong yet, you wanna express yourself to be different... narloke have done a nice SA shot, its refreshing, its something that i have to compliment its creative. But this shot, even u said u dun like (dun play word game again... thanks), u said u prefer... but still the basic is flawed... there is room for improvement, so why is the arguement?
Vomitus is something that gets regurgitated without being digested properly.
- Ya... my english wasn't that bad afterall... at least i know what came out from my mouth when i am sick...
(a) I appreciate that you took the time to think and write. And what you wrote have more merit than the hordes of nonsense that follow. However, your questions were directed to norlake to think about the image. They were not primarily to understand norlake's intention. I do not claim to understand norlake well. I do not even know him personally. But I had seen the image of Shower Accident. And I know he presented that image intentionally.
- thats the point, think and answer... i din see that SA pic before, maybe i had, but i did not know it was shot by him, if i do, maybe i might ask another set of question... that said... its better left untouched... and the problem lies with u guys think too much... i wrote and pressed the submit reply button... if he had answered, then the intention would be known rite... or am i wrong again.
(b) It is your perogative to accept all and digest all. I won't. When I see sh1t, I will not eat it. OK, that is a little strong. If I see something that I know do not contribute to my well being, I will not eat it. norlake is not a fool. He knows what he wants. When he sees comments that try to divert his direction, he wisely rejects them.
Outside CS, there are many great photographers. norlake is not one of these greats. But he has the same attitude. See my thread on "Giovanni" where I wrote a little story on Antonin Kratochvil.
- To be creative is to learn everything there is, isn't it right, or to retain the primitive understanding from birth will make u more creative than others? If u had not read a book, how would u know its harmful to your mind? Overall, i had not said Narloke is a fool... but that his shot wasn't a norm. Not a standard, from my perspective, beautifying the subject, or making an expressive statement. maybe something comes along, i might add more to my dictionary.
- also, i seriously do not know any great photographers, i dun even know who the hell is Antonin... cos to me, i'm very simple, if a picture is nice, its nice, if its not, then too bad.. It doesn't take a great photographer to separate nice pics and not so nice pic.
(c) BTW, a genius not only knows 1+1=2. He also knows why.
- Why did he know? cos he was curious to find out...
(d), Am I biased against someone? It is common knowledge that I have little regards for DP. In actual fact, not so much for his comments, but something more fundamental. I do not wish to elaborate further. I do not go out to contradict DP because I happened to enjoy that. Most of what he wrote are correct, conventionally speaking. However, DP made his comments to be like dogmas and dictums, and anything which did not agree with him is sh1t and sucks. Obviously I also despise his manner of delivery.
- I'm not going to interfere about u & dp, since not my problem anyway... its the rest who wanna label me & DP thats disturbing... hmm, actually from what i see between u 2 is, 1 is soft, 1 is hard, 1 is direct, 1 is indirect... u both seem to be like the devil & the angel... but i just dunno which is which... i'm earth... i dun belong to either league... cos i agree with some of DP & some of yours, not entirely, cos i'm also a unique individual.
(e)Frankly, in trying to have your own voice, you should be worried if many like your images.
- ya, be very worried...
Why? Because of the atmosphere of insisting on "technically and politically correctness". If one chose to travel in unfamiliar and different routes, he will face opposition. Only the yes men will be accepted.
- Not really, portraits ain't abstract, maybe not say a direct opposite, but abstract, u get 50/50 of people liking or hating it, but with portrait, its about 80% of ppl should have common consensus how a nice image will be, and a nice image is something thats something that makes u go WOW. thats how i feel...
To educate another one, one must have something to offer. Something meaningful.
- I gave him something meaningful, others i dunno, but those who agree with my comments, know where i am coming from... I thank u guys from the bottom of my heart, of course, the TS finally understood as well, which is the most important... the rest are just noise... of course, your comments are nice as well, so is DP's. He is direct, and the least he did not do is that he did not create a smoke screen to blind others.
Del_CtrlnoAlt
Senior Member
I see all types of people here. There were the genuinely knowledgeable, technically and artistically. One that came into mind is Skye Tan. Go and look at his comments on others and see the difference. There are those who are ignorant, but genuinely try to help. When their errors were pointed out, they have the insight to quickly acknowledge their mistake, apologise for giving out inaccurate info, learnt, and move on. Then there are those who think they know but in actual fact not. These are terrible. Because they are able to shout they cowed others into thinking they are right, and in doing so, lead others in wrong paths.
- Will go take a look, thanks for that headsup.. anyway, which 1 did i belong to?
The words you chose showed your mindset.
"Nice".
By what photography dictums must an image be nice? Why can't a photographer make an image that is "not nice"?
- Of course there is things that photographer can purposely take thats not nice... they can purposely take an OOF pic to create a mood, those pics are easy to be accepted. They can even take pics of disgusting acts etc, but the image itself is telling a story, presented as real as it is, which would u rate them as? If an image does not feel nice, by the word feel, it comes from the heart... how would u deem then then?
You mean making nice images is a preprequisite to creativity?:bigeyes:
You see, you do not even know that you had put yourself in a cage. And you want to talk about creativity? In making this statement you showed how challenged you are with regards to photography as an art.
- Creativity is not about talking, its about creating, when u do it, its creativity, no point talking about it & explaining it, then there is nothing done to prove it... but that said... A creative picture need not be nice, a nice picture need not be creative, both are not linked, and there will also be creatively nice picture... this picture, if the TS has explained his details how the shot was done, the background story, maybe its creative... then its a creatively not nice pic... u get the idea? dun link them together...
And not only that, you just might have problems besides photography too!
- I wonder wat other problems i might have... care to share?
Who should give critiques?
- I ask u, u ask me... wah lao eh... ;p
In this last comments, you did something which I do not like to do. That is to question motives. You may be blunt. I am even more! I will be very blunt now. You are not the malignant type. You are just not very smart. You are not smart enough to be malignant. I do not question your intention. But your writings showed you to be a little lacking in certain faculties.
- which faculty?
Much of what I wrote to norlake is to help him in his chosen path, by
(a) Telling him that I prefer his kind of imagery to those eyecandies.
(b) Encouraging him to stick to his own way of expression
(c) Informing him that courting acceptance by the majority will surely kill his vision
(d) Proposing to him (strongly) that he should be selective about comments and critiques.
(e) Suggesting to him that one does not need to "learn to walk before running" although that was the traditional way.
- i'm not arguing with u about these, cos there is certain truth to it, but its more like pushing him to the other side of norm... by norm i mean his pics, i find his SA pic very nice, the focus is there, the expression is perfect, everything is top notch... but u are now telling him about tis to move him towards another side, which is imho, funny... i mean, which one do you prefer? if u prefer the SA pic, then i agree, he should move on that direction. I love that pic... but thats subjective again... and overall, we're giving views to TS, we respect him, thats how we are both doing rite... i believe if everybody just hates him, we won't even bother to reply...
And a last note:
You think I am trying to get norlake to be on "my side"? To help me bash others?
- thats my opinion, i dunno how others felt, thats really how i read it... same like those other jokers trying to get others to slam me... perhaps i got carried away, or maybe i read the part u are sending indirectly to DP, and putting myself in his shoes...
This again showed how lacking your are in certain areas. A person who dares and wants to make a picture like Yuki is one with a strong sense of self. You think norlake needs to be on my side?
- Like i say, he is different, but the general public thinks differently, we're here to give him a view, accept or not is up to him.
Honestly, if I wish to bash someone, I need help?
- Do u? I'm not sure, but i know i'm defending my views.
- Will go take a look, thanks for that headsup.. anyway, which 1 did i belong to?
The words you chose showed your mindset.
"Nice".
By what photography dictums must an image be nice? Why can't a photographer make an image that is "not nice"?
- Of course there is things that photographer can purposely take thats not nice... they can purposely take an OOF pic to create a mood, those pics are easy to be accepted. They can even take pics of disgusting acts etc, but the image itself is telling a story, presented as real as it is, which would u rate them as? If an image does not feel nice, by the word feel, it comes from the heart... how would u deem then then?
You mean making nice images is a preprequisite to creativity?:bigeyes:
You see, you do not even know that you had put yourself in a cage. And you want to talk about creativity? In making this statement you showed how challenged you are with regards to photography as an art.
- Creativity is not about talking, its about creating, when u do it, its creativity, no point talking about it & explaining it, then there is nothing done to prove it... but that said... A creative picture need not be nice, a nice picture need not be creative, both are not linked, and there will also be creatively nice picture... this picture, if the TS has explained his details how the shot was done, the background story, maybe its creative... then its a creatively not nice pic... u get the idea? dun link them together...
And not only that, you just might have problems besides photography too!
- I wonder wat other problems i might have... care to share?
Who should give critiques?
- I ask u, u ask me... wah lao eh... ;p
In this last comments, you did something which I do not like to do. That is to question motives. You may be blunt. I am even more! I will be very blunt now. You are not the malignant type. You are just not very smart. You are not smart enough to be malignant. I do not question your intention. But your writings showed you to be a little lacking in certain faculties.
- which faculty?
Much of what I wrote to norlake is to help him in his chosen path, by
(a) Telling him that I prefer his kind of imagery to those eyecandies.
(b) Encouraging him to stick to his own way of expression
(c) Informing him that courting acceptance by the majority will surely kill his vision
(d) Proposing to him (strongly) that he should be selective about comments and critiques.
(e) Suggesting to him that one does not need to "learn to walk before running" although that was the traditional way.
- i'm not arguing with u about these, cos there is certain truth to it, but its more like pushing him to the other side of norm... by norm i mean his pics, i find his SA pic very nice, the focus is there, the expression is perfect, everything is top notch... but u are now telling him about tis to move him towards another side, which is imho, funny... i mean, which one do you prefer? if u prefer the SA pic, then i agree, he should move on that direction. I love that pic... but thats subjective again... and overall, we're giving views to TS, we respect him, thats how we are both doing rite... i believe if everybody just hates him, we won't even bother to reply...
And a last note:
You think I am trying to get norlake to be on "my side"? To help me bash others?
- thats my opinion, i dunno how others felt, thats really how i read it... same like those other jokers trying to get others to slam me... perhaps i got carried away, or maybe i read the part u are sending indirectly to DP, and putting myself in his shoes...
This again showed how lacking your are in certain areas. A person who dares and wants to make a picture like Yuki is one with a strong sense of self. You think norlake needs to be on my side?
- Like i say, he is different, but the general public thinks differently, we're here to give him a view, accept or not is up to him.
Honestly, if I wish to bash someone, I need help?
- Do u? I'm not sure, but i know i'm defending my views.
Del_CtrlnoAlt
Senior Member
yadda yadda yadda yadda.... here we go again..................:bsmilie: maybe someday... in the far future... narloke's pictures will be half as fantastic as your snapshots. :bsmilie: being different for the sake of being different is deluding oneself(feel free to twist this out of context) i am sure you indentify yourself with norlake, your pictures are equally uninspirational, and u both have this egoistical attitude when others comment on your pictures. Hell, even when opinions differ from yours!
Anyway, before the skyscraper can be built... and the ooOOosss n AAahhhaa come from people who sees it, i think the foundation has to be built first no? (feel free to twist this out of context too :bsmilie: )
:thumbsd:
but do it often enough n it may make u another Weird AL :bsmilie:
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