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I am sorry that your eyes were hurt by this image.

But mine wasn't. And others too. So does the TS need to please you?

Harsh comments are OK with me. But read the first page and see if the delivery is warranted. Even so, most of them are not so arrogant to tell the TS not to post the image.

Hi Chong,

Haha, dun be sorry, the eyes hurt, but hasn't gone blind yet!;p

On a hindsight (no pun intended), i think it would have been more cordial if the delivery were alittle bit more polite.

Me too, am also guilty of harsh comments here, telling the TS not to post. However, I accept that only the TS can validate his own decision to post the pics here.

Perhaps I should rephrase: TS, think your pic doesn't work for me.:)

Good gracious me, this internet monster is more terrifying than I thought! Jekyl and Hyde really pales in comparison to it!:D

Chill,

Kenny
 

So you don't think that harshness is wrong or unnecessary? Ever been on the receiving end yourself?

Benedium,

I don't think harshness is wrong, but impoliteness is.Yes, some of the comments are indeed unwarranted for and impolite, but I do see some valid points being brought up amongst some of these comments.

Yeah, have been on the receiving ends of some of the harshest comments ever, when I was a trainee musician, in dental school, trainee surgeon, OCS, SAF, you name it.

Perhaps it's just me, these experiences do make me a better and stronger person. However I do concede that it doesn't work on everybody.

Cheers,

Kenny
 

Eyes hurt? Sorry hor, but i didn't realize it's so powerful;) So, better prepare a pair of sunglasses next time:bsmilie:

No worries, I dun need them la, cos i prefer to stare adversity in the face, some sort like shock therapy.:D

Just post la, my eyes sore is my business, as long as it doesn't hurt yours, it's fine right?

But of course, I do hope that I'm still allowed to tell u so if they hurt ok?

Kenny
 

What is photography?

Is this what photography is all about?
 

What is photography?

Is this what photography is all about?

Photography is a paper with image print on it lor. In modern world now, it been digitalize lor.

It again up to individual perspective again. Just like, how you define Creativity? How you define Love? How you define Passion? How you define Art? :sweat:

And how you define DREAM?
 

im not a pro in photography but one look at the photo begs the question - is there a need to make the model until so chao lao? :think:
 

All slp liao?????:bsmilie: :sweat:

Btw, how to post a photo in CS? I never post before. Never ask for "comments" before.

Want to try leh.
 

Wah.. still ongoing fight??

+1 before the thread moves.
 

hi all,

I have posted some pics for critique corner. In fact, i have OVER POSTED.....Sorry for my 1st time posting and didt know the "rules of posting". Worst that most are same titled!!!! Cos i seldom give name and i forgot that all will come out same as all those pics are my virgin series........."Chicken Story II"

Hope you guys can share some of your thoughts, thanks in advance. ;)
 

:sweat: i've not been on CS for long ,first time saw a thread in photo galleries has so many pages.

I'm a newbie and not good at English so be more forgiving when reading this.
What i'm gonna say is in term of photography as an art form ,not the job or in term of satisfieing the customers.

I think that photography is "what we see through the viewfinder". I mean photography is a kind of art that u use to express what u see and how u see the world , to show ur point of view,ur idea,ur feeling through ur photos. Every photos is unique because they are the reflection of the photographer's mind .

Therefore i think we can't really criticizing the photo if it hurt our eyes or it don't meet our standard. I personally don't like this photo like i don't like some kind of music but i don't have the right to criticize about that, if i criticize about that ,it's like i criticize other people just because they see and feel things different with me,i don't have the right to do that.

But then if what i said above is correct,then why post photo here and want others to see it ? Of course he seek for comment and criticize but different kind of criticize. What we can give him out opinion is : The technical point like how to do processing better,the lighting, what can be done to make it better or what can be done next time. THat's all we can say to help him, we can't criticize his style and we all cricicizing in some points so keep it low,control urself ,give advise don't criticize.

And at last ,human is the social being, no matter how hard they tried,they can't live alone and don't want to feel alienation. THerefore i and you share our view through our photos to join the world and let the world see through our own eyes so everytime look at the photo, respect it like u respect a person's idea , he let us see through his eyes.

I'm just a kid about 18yo and really newbie , just want to share my code and ethic about photography. Just my humble opinion. :sweat:
 

:sweat: i've not been on CS for long ,first time saw a thread in photo galleries has so many pages.

I'm a newbie and not good at English so be more forgiving when reading this.
What i'm gonna say is in term of photography as an art form ,not the job or in term of satisfieing the customers.

I think that photography is "what we see through the viewfinder". I mean photography is a kind of art that u use to express what u see and how u see the world , to show ur point of view,ur idea,ur feeling through ur photos. Every photos is unique because they are the reflection of the photographer's mind .

Therefore i think we can't really criticizing the photo if it hurt our eyes or it don't meet our standard. I personally don't like this photo like i don't like some kind of music but i don't have the right to criticize about that, if i criticize about that ,it's like i criticize other people just because they see and feel things different with me,i don't have the right to do that.

But then if what i said above is correct,then why post photo here and want others to see it ? Of course he seek for comment and criticize but different kind of criticize. What we can give him out opinion is : The technical point like how to do processing better,the lighting, what can be done to make it better or what can be done next time. THat's all we can say to help him, we can't criticize his style and we all cricicizing in some points so keep it low,control urself ,give advise don't criticize.

And at last ,human is the social being, no matter how hard they tried,they can't live alone and don't want to feel alienation. THerefore i and you share our view through our photos to join the world and let the world see through our own eyes so everytime look at the photo, respect it like u respect a person's idea , he let us see through his eyes.

I'm just a kid about 18yo and really newbie , just want to share my code and ethic about photography. Just my humble opinion. :sweat:

true, these images are how we perceive to be the best in terms of our own definition, skills and otherwise.

if you have looked over the 10x pages, u notice that those who have commented on the pics are pretty genuine that the pics need improvement, however, the TS chose to not heed, thats nothing we could do, then on came another group to support TS (all of a sudden) as they have starts to bash those who is giving their comments. I mean... put everything aside... how would you feel about this pic, without reading the 10x pages, without knowing the TS, without any prejudice... search within yourself, find the truth.

i wrote how i felt. thats all that i have to say... i dun understand this part actually...

@#@*&s!!!!!!!!!!

then

To the TS, allow me to make some comments

#1

Frankly I prefer your image to those "technically and politically correct" images that one sees in this subforum. I find those images that your critics like to be absolutely boring and "soul-less". This image has the same distortion as "Shower accident" (actually SA has more distortion). But everybody loves that image. Why not this? I have my opinion on why they like SA, but not this one. Give a thought on this and make your own conclusions.

#2

You do not have to seriously take into account the opinions that were in CS (Of course this include mine!). In my opinion, much of what were said were nothing but regurgitation of vomitus from those of the same feathers. Listen to all, but BE SELECTIVE about what were said. To be unselective is to show one to be a fool. There are just too many "those who know not they know not, but pretend to know a lot, and then confuse others who really know not with their know-nots".

Frankly, in trying to have your own voice, you should be worried if many like your images.

BE SELECTIVE! BE HIGHLY SELECTIVE!

I laugh at what were offered as "critiques". What a load of bull! There are people who think they are trying to "educate" others (but I know of one who also made very acid remarks here who spoke against another member when that member talk about "educating" younger members). I will not question their motives. But you think ANY CS member has what it takes to "educate" another?

Anyone can offer their opinion on an image. But anyone can educate another?

#3

I assume you are a relative "newbie". Actually, in "studio" work, I think you already know more than me! But let me say something about "learning".

The traditional way is "to know the basics" - what some people also paraphrased as "learn to walk before one learns to run". This is a valid approach to learning photography ( and other things such as kung-fu!)

However, there are other approaches to learning. One such approach is to "run before walking". Impossible? Well from the perspective of using the human baby as an example, it is impossible. But why not chose the foal as an example? Anyway, we are digressing.

It is the true ignoramuses who insist that one must "learn to walk before one runs". Let me assure you that there are teachers (not half-baked photographers in CS) which did just the opposite! Teaching the students to learn to express right from the beginning, and only offering technical assistance when such technical issues are required. Meaning, learn to swim when you are in the water. No need to learn the basics of water dynamics and muscle kinesiology before you jump into the pool.

I will warn you that if you are not selective about whom you take advice from, you will make images like everybody else. Unless you are one very special individual, you WILL make images like everybody else - technically and politically correct. You will be welcomed into their community because you make images like them. In other words, you have become a clone.

Do not believe me? Just look at the images in this subforum.

#4

You mentioned that you have different opinions of depicting ideas. This is great! This is excellent! Do not lose this at any cost even if this means gettiing ridiculed from a thousand quarters!

But of course, no image is perfect. And you will always find faults with any image.

The important thing is that YOU should like your image. Be your own most severe ctitic. Look intently at your image again and again. At different times of the day. When you are tired. When you are depressed. When you are happy etc. See how your emotion and your mind react to the image. Make your images from your heart. Use only your mind when analysing your image.

Obviously, I am not interested in those and their images who insist on total control -meaning the mind comes into play at full force at the time of making the image. (well there are exceptions to this - but the exceptions are not in CS - these exceptions are people who are true artists, with a strong ability to write great stories photographically).

With exceptions, most of these images (made with the mind at full and total control) are sterile. Make them if you wish to make images like these.
 

true, these images are how we perceive to be the best in terms of our own definition, skills and otherwise.

if you have looked over the 10x pages, u notice that those who have commented on the pics are pretty genuine that the pics need improvement, however, the TS chose to not heed, thats nothing we could do, then on came another group to support TS (all of a sudden) as they have starts to bash those who is giving their comments. I mean... put everything aside... how would you feel about this pic, without reading the 10x pages, without knowing the TS, without any prejudice... search within yourself, find the truth.

i wrote how i felt. thats all that i have to say... i dun understand this part actually...



then


WOW! Very well written..... Humility for the hungry, Ignorance for the arrogant...
 

:sweat: i've not been on CS for long ,first time saw a thread in photo galleries has so many pages.

I'm a newbie and not good at English so be more forgiving when reading this.
What i'm gonna say is in term of photography as an art form ,not the job or in term of satisfieing the customers.

I think that photography is "what we see through the viewfinder". I mean photography is a kind of art that u use to express what u see and how u see the world , to show ur point of view,ur idea,ur feeling through ur photos. Every photos is unique because they are the reflection of the photographer's mind .

Therefore i think we can't really criticizing the photo if it hurt our eyes or it don't meet our standard. I personally don't like this photo like i don't like some kind of music but i don't have the right to criticize about that, if i criticize about that ,it's like i criticize other people just because they see and feel things different with me,i don't have the right to do that.

But then if what i said above is correct,then why post photo here and want others to see it ? Of course he seek for comment and criticize but different kind of criticize. What we can give him out opinion is : The technical point like how to do processing better,the lighting, what can be done to make it better or what can be done next time. THat's all we can say to help him, we can't criticize his style and we all cricicizing in some points so keep it low,control urself ,give advise don't criticize.

And at last ,human is the social being, no matter how hard they tried,they can't live alone and don't want to feel alienation. THerefore i and you share our view through our photos to join the world and let the world see through our own eyes so everytime look at the photo, respect it like u respect a person's idea , he let us see through his eyes.

I'm just a kid about 18yo and really newbie , just want to share my code and ethic about photography. Just my humble opinion. :sweat:


Thank you for your understanding young man ;p. The rule should always be "don't impose your thoughts on others sicne we are only here to help each other". We were all teenagers long time ago and know the feeling when parents want to impose their way of living on you no matter it is right or wrong or u like it or not.

Cheers for the freedom of thoughts:bsmilie:
 

Whoah....I'm just gone for a day and look at this thread....:bigeyes:

I'm definitely not against anyone who posted here, but if any one wanted to post here, and choose only to see good compliments/comments and condemn constructive ones, I'll start the flame! :bsmilie:

This is a public forum, and whether like it or not, there's bound to be good and not so good comments, no matter how good the pics are. It really depends on oneself whether one as a TS wants to be nice, thank those who posted good comments, and accept/laugh-off those no so good ones, or condemns the latter.

If one chooses to ignore, then at least I've got nothing to say. However, if anyone condemns those comments who are really constructive ones, and are agreed by the majority that they ARE constructive, then I would suggest the TS stop posting and do some soul-searching him/herself. Why post in a forum if only wanted to see "Wow...good pics!", "Pro dio si Pro", "I like your pics very much" kind of comments. We post in a forum for critiques and learn from our mistakes, not just to see all the nice compliments right?

Of couse, some comments can be quite harsh but constructive. If the TS choose to retaliate just because they're harsh, then I think he/she is not mature enough to take in good comments.
 

to delctrlalt [..then on came another group to support TS (all of a sudden) as they have starts to bash those who is giving their comments..]

do you see yourself in the mirror? you still find it hard accept people to differ from your ideas (or majority), don't you? if that is the case, quit photography altogether (like what dp always says to a bad photo). why can't people support that photo? if you like durian, you want to command all the people who don't like durian to love it? benedium is right about you. you only want to win. get off your seat and go brush up your photography skills. if you keep staying around this place and picking on people impolitely, i think that is not very healthy. you deserve that thrashing by benedium. i clap hands. and furthermore, with your kind of heart, you don't have the capacity to perform photography as an art. just stay put as a career photographer until my age.
 

to delctrlalt [..then on came another group to support TS (all of a sudden) as they have starts to bash those who is giving their comments..]

do you see yourself in the mirror? you still find it hard accept people to differ from your ideas (or majority), don't you? if that is the case, quit photography altogether (like what dp always says to a bad photo). why can't people support that photo? if you like durian, you want to command all the people who don't like durian to love it? benedium is right about you. you only want to win. get off your seat and go brush up your photography skills. if you keep staying around this place and picking on people impolitely, i think that is not very healthy. you deserve that thrashing by benedium. i clap hands. and furthermore, with your kind of heart, you don't have the capacity to perform photography as an art. just stay put as a career photographer until my age.

u dun have to be old to be wise...

obviously u are just to attack me as well, for all i know, u are being influenced by this person leejay...

leejay said:
Portraits and Poses "More than just sitting and smiling" Human Portraiture - classical, fine arts, contemporary.
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How do you define "more than just sitting and smiling"? Mind specifying?
My pics are clearly not more than just sitting and smiling, and they are contemporary.

Since you are the moderator, I won't argue with you. You want me to leave "Portraits and Poses", I'll leave.

I (in fact not just me) don't like you at all. The way you talk is very mean and acidic. Have you forgotten CS motto - "Be nice and be cultured"? Maybe you are brought up by parents who teach you to be rude to others.

DCA bro, don't get out of control. A moderator has power, but like what Spiderman's father told him, "With great power comes great responsibility". Remember that. Don't abuse, and don't get too overwhelmed.

A word of advice: when you teach people anything, always give them ample time to pick up. Not everybody has IQ the same as yours. Some may take some time to pick up. It is not just about listening to your comments and improving the next month. What you said in my lastest thread about not heeding your teachings will be very discouraging to students. I believe you are old enough to know that.

Remember my name "LEEJAY". I will return as a top photographer. Now you can look down on me. Next time I won't even look at you.

(Don't reply. I am leaving anyway and won't come back liao.) Merry X'mas and Happy New Year.

do note, he is like the threadstarter...

the problem that is with him is, he posted his pictures in the wrong section, he posted his pictures belonging to travel and such and posted it in portrait... if i was the only one commenting, then i am wrong, but can't u see that everyone was commenting, and u & benedium is personally attacking me instead, who is the narrowminded one here?

look at the mirror yourself, are you attacking me blindly, or are you attacking me based on the things i wrote.
 

i wrote how i felt. thats all that i have to say... i dun understand this part actually...

@#@*&s!!!!!!!!!!
You mean someone wrote that to you?
i dun noe abt the writer's real message, but as far as i m concerned, i would type the same if i want to call that someone SCUMBAG .... :sweatsm:
hope this will help you to understand this part.
 

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