What do you think about being a Budget photographer?
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just come clubsnap, sure can find cheap photographer...
Sad to hear from someone before that his friend had "advised" him to come into clubsnap to find low cost photographer as there are plenty of them... :cry:
Heard it from quite alot myself lol.
PhotoProZero
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I think she is a SMART girl. Cos she already knew that people will start bombarding her on this thread.
PhotoProZero
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I seriously don't get the drift here.
Are you peeps discussing about BUDGET as in Really BUDGET photog. or PROFESSIONAL photogs.? The discussion sounds very much like a professional photographer has been asked to shoot at extreme low rate.
This is real world. I agree with the girl - Supply and Demand. There is nothing wrong to start cheap and work one's way up. You peeps make it sound that CS is a place for all the almightys ... and only people who charge $100/hr can only be in here.. Then I think CS better start charging a membership fee. That, you will be able to stop cheapos here. C'mon, give people a break.
Are you peeps discussing about BUDGET as in Really BUDGET photog. or PROFESSIONAL photogs.? The discussion sounds very much like a professional photographer has been asked to shoot at extreme low rate.
This is real world. I agree with the girl - Supply and Demand. There is nothing wrong to start cheap and work one's way up. You peeps make it sound that CS is a place for all the almightys ... and only people who charge $100/hr can only be in here.. Then I think CS better start charging a membership fee. That, you will be able to stop cheapos here. C'mon, give people a break.
I seriously don't get the drift here.
Are you peeps discussing about BUDGET as in Really BUDGET photog. or PROFESSIONAL photogs.? The discussion sounds very much like a professional photographer has been asked to shoot at extreme low rate.
This is real world. I agree with the girl - Supply and Demand. There is nothing wrong to start cheap and work one's way up. You peeps make it sound that CS is a place for all the almightys ... and only people who charge $100/hr can only be in here.. Then I think CS better start charging a membership fee. That, you will be able to stop cheapos here. C'mon, give people a break.
I think you are missing part of our stories... we really don't mind people charge dirt cheap... however, what we are saying is, if one would like to become a full time professional and make a living by providing food on the table. There is at least a minimum charge that allows them to do so. I don't think charging more is giving ourselves an "almighty" status.
Our aim is to help others to improve their quality of life through charging the right way as we all know living standard in Singapore is ever increasing... instead of bitching about the situation, we hope to give some insight into what we do and with a slightest hope that someone's life can be better.
However, of course, hobbyist come with hobbyist mentality that as long as they get paid for shoot (regardless of the amount), they are happy with it, shooting for passion or whatever they call it. It is ok for that.
The biggest misunderstanding is the price they (hobbyist) charge and the price professional charge. These are simply 2 different things.
So one is needed to decide which camp they are in... and then use the info given here ,by those who has successfully put food on their table, to their own benefit.
CS is not a place to regulate what photography market is...
All I hope is to make someone's life a little better with the information provided. Nothing more and nothing less.
It is easier to keep quiet to be honest.
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Hart
we can re-read this thread again, Photographer for birthday party - Page 2
what this customers expecting is a norm from her POV, how do you people going to tell her that for the rate she is paying is what she entitle to?
do you people really think if you charge very cheap and can get away with less responsibility?
there are plenty of such demands out there, if the supply is not enough to fulfil the need, customers will be very willing to pay more if there still want the photography services.
we need to understand this, in the law of supply and demand, if supply is too plentiful, it will be come a buyer market.
since every Tom Dick Harry having a DLSR just jump on the bandwagon, going around offering cheap cheap free free services, so please don't push the blame to the customers.
what this customers expecting is a norm from her POV, how do you people going to tell her that for the rate she is paying is what she entitle to?
do you people really think if you charge very cheap and can get away with less responsibility?
there are plenty of such demands out there, if the supply is not enough to fulfil the need, customers will be very willing to pay more if there still want the photography services.
we need to understand this, in the law of supply and demand, if supply is too plentiful, it will be come a buyer market.
since every Tom Dick Harry having a DLSR just jump on the bandwagon, going around offering cheap cheap free free services, so please don't push the blame to the customers.
PhotoProZero
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Thanks Hart for your insight and good summary.
Exactly what you peeps are discussing and missing the most essential points and bitching about budget photographers. Times have changed an so does mentality.
What the discussion here seems to be from the so-called 'professional' photogs complaining on undercutting sales. It is unhealthy. Perhaps professional photographers then should open up opportunities to young hobbyists for internship. So that they learn why they need to charge a certain fee.
Advocacy starts from peers. NATO doesn't really help.
Exactly what you peeps are discussing and missing the most essential points and bitching about budget photographers. Times have changed an so does mentality.
What the discussion here seems to be from the so-called 'professional' photogs complaining on undercutting sales. It is unhealthy. Perhaps professional photographers then should open up opportunities to young hobbyists for internship. So that they learn why they need to charge a certain fee.
Advocacy starts from peers. NATO doesn't really help.
PhotoProZero
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It is a two way communication. Simple T&CS should have been said and agreed upon. Both parties are at fault. Client assumed, so did the photog.
you forget about there is a "middle man" in between for this case,
the "middle man" selling $50 per hour to customers, paying about $35 per hour to the photographer,
so the photographer supply what is worth for $35/hr
anything went wrong, customers and "middle man" will just put the blame on the photographer.
every now and then will be many new hobbyists try to fund their camera gear by moonlighting, they don't really know how to work out their cost and how to charge, so either copy and paste from other photographers' website or take what the customers offered to them.
we will have to bring out this topic from time to time, since most of them won't last, and new comers will emerge.
for those who are more serious about being full time, they can join the professional associations, and seek help from the pros.
we will have to bring out this topic from time to time, since most of them won't last, and new comers will emerge.
for those who are more serious about being full time, they can join the professional associations, and seek help from the pros.
PhotoProZero
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Regardless, the onus is on you to negotiate the terms and conditions. Assumptions do not get you anywhere. As a consumer, if you purchased a holiday package, don't you want to know what you are getting for your money?
The problem with many of us these days, we tend to assume too much to actually get our hands down to bottom of things.
PhotoProZero
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just a little background of the thread in mummysg that I mention a couple of times,
one of my past customers mention my service for kid birthday party in the thread, and I really appreciate her kind compliment.
recently I update in the thread that I no longer offer such services.
but was shock by one of a lady photographer pretend to be a mummy faking some compliments and recommendation to her own company.
if this is not exposed, not sure how many mummies will be mislead by her false information?
one of my past customers mention my service for kid birthday party in the thread, and I really appreciate her kind compliment.
recently I update in the thread that I no longer offer such services.
but was shock by one of a lady photographer pretend to be a mummy faking some compliments and recommendation to her own company.
if this is not exposed, not sure how many mummies will be mislead by her false information?
wakaowalao
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That is the problem. To these "cameramen", any extra dollar or exposure for "portfolio" are + benefits without realizing that they are actually being exploited. Clients on the other side will be gladly to be able to save any pennies.
PhotoProZero
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Unfortunately, exploitation works both ways. There are photogs who exploit their clients as well.
They never think of their operataing and equipment depreciation costs.
Blur Shadow
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mackie8 said:
Haha. As long as they think they are earning lor!
A lot of people are making greater losses than this anyway.
She/he can try, nobody is forced to take the job fortunately.This the same person here in SG ?
serendipity
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Looks like a pro... lol
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