Sony NEX announced ...

[An drew]

The body is so small but the lens is still same size. In fact the back of the lens where it connects with the body, protrudes.

To me it does not make sense. Either design smaller lenses to fit the smaller body or make something like the Oly or Panny sized mirrorless.

Do you even have a good grip and balance with this set up? To me it just looks weird and unbalanced.

I think it is just not possible to have everything. i.e. small size yet good grip. The package is a compromise and balance.

When Olympus came out with the four-thirds concept integrating a smaller body, smaller sensor and smaller lens, it made sense. They wanted a small light weight camera for people to easily use.

While quality from those cameras are good, maybe they can’t compare to the bigger APS sensors. But the four-thirds quality has been improving in leaps and bounds.

Sony is now making an even smaller camera body, and I think using a APS sensor. But they are not making smaller lenses, i.e. a whole new breed of camera. To me that kinda defeats the purpose. You cannot use the NEX body alone. You need the lenses which are big compared to the body. So the goal of compactness is only half achieved.

If Sony or other manufacturers can make a smaller sized sensor with quality as good as current APS or four-thirds, together with corresponding smaller lenses then I think that would be more revolutionary.

I think you have a point there. The lenses are just simply too big.

If they can reduce the size of the sensor to 1/1.6 or better still 1/2.33 and still match M4/3 or APS ... in terms of high ISO resolution, that would be really ideal... But that may take many more years ....

It is not just high ISO or high resolution. The size of the sensor affects the image and too small a sensor then you can't control the aperture/dof much.

 

[greenieadi]

Having read all this news & reviews of the NEX cams, how I wish to have all these functions on the NEX being put on a Samsung NX10 body + A-mount + swivel type LCD like GH1.

Having played a while with the Samsung NX10, I think that cam size is small/slim enough and maybe just the right size for an APS-C sensor and crop lenses. I can't seem to get it why must Sony build a smaller body with a protruding lens mount.

I think the NEX 7 design have been cast in stone too. Awaiting announcement only in a few months time. Hoping it to be different in design to the NEX 5.

Like many A-mount users, nice to see those functions added to the NEX cameras, but we are waiting for the A7XX replacement.

 

[Ouverture]

I am not too sure how it's being viewed as bulky, heavy or unbalanced. :dunno:

Even fully loaded with battery and lens, the overall package of NEX3/5 is still lighter and more compact than equivalent from M4/3.

The lenses are not very much bigger than M4/3, it's just that SONY makes the body DAMN small!


You can see compared with GF1 in pancake lenses, NEX5 is smaller.

Compared with EPL-1 with 14-42 and NEX5 with 18-55, its not very much bigger as well.

 

[ITphobia]

Great performance, small and affordable camera from Sony. However the inability for AF with the a-mount adapter is disappointing. The adapter only has auto aperture. Haix, why Sony always has to do this kind of stun every time.

 

[afipuffy]

Sony always stunt their fans and users. Also with their market strategies, they always make us wait but the wait are worth waiting. But right now we are waiting for a750 but they wow with NEX 1st. So next wow will be the a750?? :bsmilie: Hopefully Sony will wow us with their a750...

 

[Atarandas]

When Olympus came out with the four-thirds concept integrating a smaller body, smaller sensor and smaller lens, it made sense. They wanted a small light weight camera for people to easily use.

While quality from those cameras are good, maybe they can’t compare to the bigger APS sensors. But the four-thirds quality has been improving in leaps and bounds.

Sony is now making an even smaller camera body, and I think using a APS sensor. But they are not making smaller lenses, i.e. a whole new breed of camera. To me that kinda defeats the purpose. You cannot use the NEX body alone. You need the lenses which are big compared to the body. So the goal of compactness is only half achieved.

If Sony or other manufacturers can make a smaller sized sensor with quality as good as current APS or four-thirds, together with corresponding smaller lenses then I think that would be more revolutionary.

Hmm correct me if I am wrong , in order for an image to fill a sensor size completely , would there be some technical limitations of lens length and focal point ?

I agree that a more ideal situation is to have smaller lenses using a compact body. But if theres a technical limitations to the lens and sensor design , and we expect something more , then isnt it something thats quite strange to put up strongly as a minus point ?

No doubt, probably , there will be a day where they can put a human eye like sensor in a PnS . When that happens , it will probably be an era where we carry light sabres to Homak our president , and not rifles anymore . :lovegrin:

 

[Rashkae]

Great performance, small and affordable camera from Sony. However the inability for AF with the a-mount adapter is disappointing. The adapter only has auto aperture. Haix, why Sony always has to do this kind of stun every time.

Haiz, why everyone always think it's a "stunt" rather than realizing that some things cannot always be legacy-friendly...

 

[greenieadi]

Great performance, small and affordable camera from Sony. However the inability for AF with the a-mount adapter is disappointing. The adapter only has auto aperture. Haix, why Sony always has to do this kind of stun every time.

Inevitably Sony makes users almost like owning two different systems.

So those on the fence on getting a m4/3 or small backup/holiday/video capable cams might actually buy a m4/3 one bcoz the A-mount adaptor makes A-mount lenses into MF lenses on the NEX 3/5.

I see no difference owning an A+E mount cam to having eg, an A700 + GH1. I could buy a m4/3 adaptor to mount my 70-400G lens onto the GH1.

Benefit those newbies more to get the NEX 3/5, anyway that's the likely target crowd.

 

[Atarandas]

Haiz, why everyone always think it's a "stunt" rather than realizing that some things cannot always be legacy-friendly...

Hmm I guess , most of us expected the NEX to leverage on Alpha lens and allow alpha users to use their lens seamlessly . So many are dissappointed heh .

I guess the expectations built up from the experience noted at M4/3 cameras which allows them to use their lens through adapters.

I am mildly dissappointed , but not turned off . Cheers !

 

[greenieadi]

Hmm correct me if I am wrong , in order for an image to fill a sensor size completely , would there be some technical limitations of lens length and focal point ?

I agree that a more ideal situation is to have smaller lenses using a compact body. But if theres a technical limitations to the lens and sensor design , and we expect something more , then isnt it something thats quite strange to put up strongly as a minus point ?

No doubt, probably , there will be a day where they can put a human eye like sensor in a PnS . When that happens , it will probably be an era where we carry light sabres to Homak our president , and not rifles anymore . :lovegrin:

Maybe due to technical reasons but omitting in-body IS already makes the NEX cam less attractive to me. But still I like the functions aka A550 body + HD video.

Let's be positive, at least Sony is trying something to innovate the idea of imaging. Finally, I hope, this is the end of the Megapixel wars.

 

[Atarandas]

Inevitably Sony makes users almost like owning two different systems.

So those on the fence on getting a m4/3 or small backup/holiday/video capable cams might actually buy a m4/3 one bcoz the A-mount adaptor makes A-mount lenses into MF lenses on the NEX 3/5.

I see no difference owning an A+E mount cam to having eg, an A700 + GH1. I could buy a m4/3 adaptor to mount my 70-400G lens onto the GH1.

Benefit those newbies more to get the NEX 3/5, anyway that's the likely target crowd.

I kinda agree that , its Sony strategy to have users owns A and E lenses. But i think , in the greater light of things , Sony probably has plans for the E lens to intergrate with cross products like camcorders etc. As to whether that sort of a value proposition can sell , its a big question mark , but it sounds promising.

For me i prefer to see NEX as a PNS really . For serious shooting , I ll bring my DSLR .

 

[Snel lenS]

OMG 18-55 got so much of pincushion but the lens look really pretty.
For me, i will buy this cam with 16mm lens for video and lanscape mainly. The is much better than compact. Good move Sony.

 

[Snel lenS]

Erger to know more 16mm lens. Good?

 

[greenieadi]

Found this NEX 7 rumour.

 

[sevensummerset]

guys, base on track record A100->A700->A200->A350->A300->A200series->A800 series->A450,
all that in how many years only?!
better hold your horses, very likely you will be part of their experiment loh.

 

[Atarandas]

Found this NEX 7 rumour.

Hmm somehow the thought of a Bigger NEX7 is not that appealing .... but its me ;p

 

[jopel]

The Nex 7 looks good, should work well with the NX5 in the video department.

 

[eow]

the only reason why the kit zoom was so big...it was deliberately make in such so that the body will be better balanced by holding it by the zoom instead of the body...

 

[yokechye]

the only reason why the kit zoom was so big...it was deliberately make in such so that the body will be better balanced by holding it by the zoom instead of the body...

i agree with your statement.... its not like one have to only hold onto only the body and shoot, ur other hand still needs to work with the zoom lens... unless one is using the pancake 16mm... and the lenses doesn't look heavy wat... who says it is gonna be so unbalance till u feel the weight of the lens when carrying the body with your right hand? is the lens that heavy?

 

[Titan10k]

the only reason why the kit zoom was so big...it was deliberately make in such so that the body will be better balanced by holding it by the zoom instead of the body...

Gotta agree with you!