Sony DSLT-A77 and 16-50 f/2.8 SSM hands-on review


Pointless to enter into argument on this, the facts is simple ! Don't like the camera ? DON't buy the camera !!!
Whining and arguing about it only makes one looks like a Canikon fanboy !


(now where's that 'ignore' button)
Don't be so quick to judge. a77 will be my first semi pro purchase.

I held from buying from either Canon or Nikon bec of what Sony did with their a33/ 55 and waited for the a77 and my p&s is a Fuji F30.

The facts are simple, I waited for the a77 and expected it to take the fight to the competition. I'm not writing it off bec I am waiting for the usual review sites to post their comments with a production camera.

Hope you can see where I'm coming from and be less aggressive.
 

Hi Sabian,

Good for you. Do your own study and judge all models on their merits. Anyway, ACR now supports A77! Maybe we can finally see the RAw ISO performance of A77 now. Cheers!
 

I'll wait till next year for sony to iron out some of the a77 bugs and hopefully by then there would be some in depth reviews for us to read.


What bothers me is its noise control since this camera is heavily packed with a 24mp sensor.


Well if the noise control performance comes close to a d700 (which has an excellent noise control due to the smaller resolution + ff sensor), i will not hesitate to jump the gun on the a77 since the d700 is starting to show its age!



ex d700 user here
 

Just unboxed my a77, battery is now on the charger. I ordered it even after I read about some of the reported bugs. Cutting-edge technology seldom comes to the market in a state of perfection, but rather relies on the market reaction to either approach perfection or abandon the effort.

Sony's directly-stated commitment to EVF and SLT was enough to get me to jump from Nikon. As such, I'm prepared to tolerate a few glitches if they occur, figuring that Sony will iron them out in the long run. And as soon as the light goes out on the charger, I'll start to see what's what. In the end, the statistics and numbers mean nothing as long as the IQ makes me happy.

Just looking out the window now, probably won't be shooting landscapes to begin with...;p

I'm with you! I feel, its like Film VS Digital. Given more time, people will accept SLT as it provide faster frame rates and good video mode, tho not everybody needs it. Right now, maybe the EVF refresh rate still have rooms for improvement. As technology improves, EVF might be even on par with OVF someday. Maybe someday, Canon and Nikon will release a SLT of their own?
 

A Whale said:
I'll wait till next year for sony to iron out some of the a77 bugs and hopefully by then there would be some in depth reviews for us to read.

What bothers me is its noise control since this camera is heavily packed with a 24mp sensor.

Well if the noise control performance comes close to a d700 (which has an excellent noise control due to the smaller resolution + ff sensor), i will not hesitate to jump the gun on the a77 since the d700 is starting to show its age!

ex d700 user here

If you are comparing a 12mp ff sensor designed for high ISO with a 24mp aps-c sensor designed for high resolution, and think the noise control will even be close, you need to re-learn the basics.
 

I have a question! I'm going to taiwan during Nov, assuming SONY singapore has not yet bring in the A77. Is Sony TW warranty international? Is there any shop selling at street price? Can the language be change to english? Thanks!
 

Fezqu said:
I have a question! I'm going to taiwan during Nov, assuming SONY singapore has not yet bring in the A77. Is Sony TW warranty international? Is there any shop selling at street price? Can the language be change to english? Thanks!

It will be here in sgp by mid to end oct.
 

Initial reaction, running firmware v. 1.02....

First, I gotta paraphrase something I read from Bjorn Rorslett's site: a piece of equipment is "good" only if it's good at what an individual user uses it for. With that in mind, I shoot about 98% of the time in broad daylight, close-ups of critters and flowers, some wildlife, and some cityscapes/street shots. I'll nuke a critter with light before dialing up ISO, and would go over ISO 800 even on my D700 only if it meant the difference between getting the shot or not. What I'm saying is that what the a77 will do or won't do at high ISO is not big on my list of concerns.

After playing around with the camera indoors--numerous shots, powered up and down numerous times, several lens changes, going through almost all the menu options, and several SD card removals and reinsertions--I have not encountered any glitches of any kind. One thing I did notice is that the Fotodiox Nikon-to-alpha adapter that works on my a35 cannot even be mounted on the a77 (goodbye, ZF.2 2/100;p).

Someone asked for a comparison with the D700, which I owned for a couple of years. To my eyes, nothing compares to the texture of the D700's images. If the D700 can be likened to a Hummer, then the a77 would be a Jeep TJ. The a77 is not as heavy, nor its controls as firm to the touch; but the articulating LCD and brilliant layout of controls makes it handle more nimbly while probably being just as durable as the D700. Still, if I had to depend on a camera for my livelihood, I'd continue to shoot the D700 until the a77 is on the market a while longer.

For a bug, bird, and flower shooter like me, the EVF has a few useful features I've only seen mentioned in passing in the reviews I've read. For one thing, there's a dedicated button that changes focus area to center spot *at the same time* that it magnifies the image in the EVF or LCD. Unlike the NEX C3 or the a35, both of which lose the magnification if the shutter button is partially depressed, the magnification is maintained until the shutter is activated. Unlike an OVF, the EVF shows the image as it will be recorded to the card, meaning that when you tweak exposure comp or white balance on the fly, you can see the effect *before* you push the shutter button. This is helpful, for instance, if you're pointing upward to shoot a bird that's extremely backlit by the sky--no guesswork needed. The icing on the cake, for my purposes, is focus peaking. The a77 has another button for toggling back and forth between AF and MF, and peaking comes on automatically when MF is selected (assuming the user already has it enabled).

The first real test of my copy will come tomorrow when I do a few hours of real-world shooting in the field. But from what I see already, it wouldn't surprise me if Sony has to scramble to update some of its lenses to match the detail this camera seems capable of recording.
 

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Initial reaction, running firmware v. 1.02....

First, I gotta paraphrase something I read from Bjorn Rorslett's site: a piece of equipment is "good" only if it's good at what an individual user uses it for. With that in mind, I shoot about 98% of the time in broad daylight, close-ups of critters and flowers, some wildlife, and some cityscapes/street shots. I'll nuke a critter with light before dialing up ISO, and would go over ISO 800 even on my D700 only if it meant the difference between getting the shot or not. What I'm saying is that what the a77 will do or won't do at high ISO is not big on my list of concerns.

After playing around with the camera indoors--numerous shots, powered up and down numerous times, several lens changes, going through almost all the menu options, and several SD card removals and reinsertions--I have not encountered any glitches of any kind. One thing I did notice is that the Fotodiox Nikon-to-alpha adapter that works on my a35 cannot even be mounted on the a77 (goodbye, ZF.2 2/100;p).

Someone asked for a comparison with the D700, which I owned for a couple of years. To my eyes, nothing compares to the texture of the D700's images. If the D700 can be likened to a Hummer, then the a77 would be a Jeep TJ. The a77 is not as heavy, nor its controls as firm to the touch; but the articulating LCD and brilliant layout of controls makes it handle more nimbly while probably being just as durable as the D700. Still, if I had to depend on a camera for my livelihood, I'd continue to shoot the D700 until the a77 is on the market a while longer.

For a bug, bird, and flower shooter like me, the EVF has a few useful features I've only seen mentioned in passing in the reviews I've read. For one thing, there's a dedicated button that changes focus area to center spot *at the same time* that it magnifies the image in the EVF or LCD. Unlike the NEX C3 or the a35, both of which lose the magnification if the shutter button is partially depressed, the magnification is maintained until the shutter is activated. Unlike an OVF, the EVF shows the image as it will be recorded to the card, meaning that when you tweak exposure comp or white balance on the fly, you can see the effect *before* you push the shutter button. This is helpful, for instance, if you're pointing upward to shoot a bird that's extremely backlit by the sky--no guesswork needed. The icing on the cake, for my purposes, is focus peaking. The a77 has another button for toggling back and forth between AF and MF, and peaking comes on automatically when MF is selected (assuming the user already has it enabled).

The first real test of my copy will come tomorrow when I do a few hours of real-world shooting in the field. But from what I see already, it wouldn't surprise me if Sony has to scramble to update some of its lenses to match the detail this camera seems capable of recording.

nice quick review bro... really makes my hand itchy

Hows the shutdoen speed some saying it takes between 5-10secs? pls post some photos soon or create new Photo thread for A77/A65 =)
 

Initial reaction, running firmware v. 1.02....

First, I gotta paraphrase something I read from Bjorn Rorslett's site: a piece of equipment is "good" only if it's good at what an individual user uses it for. With that in mind, I shoot about 98% of the time in broad daylight, close-ups of critters and flowers, some wildlife, and some cityscapes/street shots. I'll nuke a critter with light before dialing up ISO, and would go over ISO 800 even on my D700 only if it meant the difference between getting the shot or not. What I'm saying is that what the a77 will do or won't do at high ISO is not big on my list of concerns.

After playing around with the camera indoors--numerous shots, powered up and down numerous times, several lens changes, going through almost all the menu options, and several SD card removals and reinsertions--I have not encountered any glitches of any kind. One thing I did notice is that the Fotodiox Nikon-to-alpha adapter that works on my a35 cannot even be mounted on the a77 (goodbye, ZF.2 2/100;p).

Someone asked for a comparison with the D700, which I owned for a couple of years. To my eyes, nothing compares to the texture of the D700's images. If the D700 can be likened to a Hummer, then the a77 would be a Jeep TJ. The a77 is not as heavy, nor its controls as firm to the touch; but the articulating LCD and brilliant layout of controls makes it handle more nimbly while probably being just as durable as the D700. Still, if I had to depend on a camera for my livelihood, I'd continue to shoot the D700 until the a77 is on the market a while longer.

For a bug, bird, and flower shooter like me, the EVF has a few useful features I've only seen mentioned in passing in the reviews I've read. For one thing, there's a dedicated button that changes focus area to center spot *at the same time* that it magnifies the image in the EVF or LCD. Unlike the NEX C3 or the a35, both of which lose the magnification if the shutter button is partially depressed, the magnification is maintained until the shutter is activated. Unlike an OVF, the EVF shows the image as it will be recorded to the card, meaning that when you tweak exposure comp or white balance on the fly, you can see the effect *before* you push the shutter button. This is helpful, for instance, if you're pointing upward to shoot a bird that's extremely backlit by the sky--no guesswork needed. The icing on the cake, for my purposes, is focus peaking. The a77 has another button for toggling back and forth between AF and MF, and peaking comes on automatically when MF is selected (assuming the user already has it enabled).

The first real test of my copy will come tomorrow when I do a few hours of real-world shooting in the field. But from what I see already, it wouldn't surprise me if Sony has to scramble to update some of its lenses to match the detail this camera seems capable of recording.

Hi Tntrue,

i watched the review by Kai from Digitalrev and he mentioned that there is a slight delay when changing the aperture/shutter settings. Did you experienced this problem?

Thanks!
 

Hi Tntrue,

i watched the review by Kai from Digitalrev and he mentioned that there is a slight delay when changing the aperture/shutter settings. Did you experienced this problem?

Thanks!

Compared to the D700, which changes those settings the instant the dial is turned, yes, there's a very slight lag, though probably less than a half-second. To me it's not bothersome at all. Oddly, my a35 has no such delay.

I watched for the reported delay in shutdown and did not experience that at all. The only thing I noticed is that there's some clicking noise on startup and a few seconds after shutdown, which I guess to be the body's motor drive engaging with/disengaging from the lens. My a35 has the same noise. I guess that's the tradeoff for Sony's low-end bodies being able to drive autofocus and meter with fully manual lenses, a boast Nikon can't make. Still, I was a bit surprised to hear it in the a77.
 

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Compared to the D700, which changes those settings the instant the dial is turned, yes, there's a very slight lag, though probably less than a half-second. To me it's not bothersome at all. Oddly, my a35 has no such delay.

I watched for the reported delay in shutdown and did not experience that at all. The only thing I noticed is that there's some clicking noise on startup and a few seconds after shutdown, which I guess to be the body's motor drive engaging with/disengaging from the lens. My a35 has the same noise. I guess that's the tradeoff for Sony's low-end bodies being able to drive autofocus and meter with fully manual lenses, a boast Nikon can't make. Still, I was a bit surprised to hear it in the a77.

Is it the same problem affecting Nex 5n? I'm used to immediate changes from my D7000. Really hope its just a firmware issues.
 

nice quick review bro... really makes my hand itchy

Hows the shutdoen speed some saying it takes between 5-10secs? pls post some photos soon or create new Photo thread for A77/A65 =)

Sure hope FW Ver:1.03 will take care of the dial and EVF eye detection power on delays among other things.
 

Sure hope FW Ver:1.03 will take care of the dial and EVF eye detection power on delays among other things.
Running on 1.03 now. It's much better. Evf still shows a lag tats slightly better than a55. The aperture setting is better but still some microseconds off.
 

Sure hope FW Ver:1.03 will take care of the dial and EVF eye detection power on delays among other things.

Running on 1.03 now. It's much better. Evf still shows a lag tats slightly better than a55. The aperture setting is better but still some microseconds off.

cool looking forward this Dec when I get my hands on A77 or NEX7, for the EVF lag I am used to it using A33 lolz
 

Running on 1.03 now. It's much better. Evf still shows a lag tats slightly better than a55. The aperture setting is better but still some microseconds off.

Sony tw said there will be a fw update ard mid Oct. Is it the same? Hmm, did the previous SLT models experience lag in aperture settings?
 

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