teL said:
Knight Ong: Yes, it is true that I started this thread with the intention of satisfying my curiousity, and not with the intent to start a flame-war. As you have seen in this thread though, this has degenerated to more of mud-slinging and degradatory remarks from no less than the moderators/oldbies themselves ("rubbish", "cliched", "contrived", "fake", "devoid of emotions", "pretentious") who have prejudices and probably personal agendas of their own, rather than keep an open mind about what can be learnt or gleaned from the different genres of photography. In any case, if they think that they are at the peak of perfection in their craft and art, who am I to criticise as just a mere, mortal, "commoner" here?
First of all, tel, let's get this straight. i don't believe there's any "mud-slinging and degradatory remarks" against you, at least not from me. "Rubbish, cliched, contrived" etc etc refers to the style of photography, not to your own personal integrity as a human being. Neither your character nor your personal rights have been assailed.
Why are u so sensitive? Insecure perhaps?
Now wat is a fact is u have accused certain moderators of
1) having personal agendas
2) prejudiced
3) thinking that they are "at the peak of their craft" (wat the hell is that anyway?)
Now THAT
IS below the belt. Who's the one getting personal here?
As for the challenge, I am now curious to see how many would actually take it up: to let their work/art speak for themselves rather than "blow a lot of hot air" (Azure: I don't think that is restricted to only photographers with titles and qualifications... I see a lot of such similar behaviour from those photographers who don't have them here too :devil: ).
tel, i didn't blow a lot of hot air about my personal work. In fact, i never bring up my personal work. I'm commenting on Salon Photography, and wat i stated are my facts and opinions on this particular branch of photography. I've said that those are my opinions, and whether you agree with them or not, u've no right to accuse me of promoting my own work. (which i didn't)
On the other hand, you're the guy around here toting a myraid of 4 letter acronym titles, and claiming u've achieved a certain standard according to some arbitary body or panel of judges. Maybe you have. But i have never attacked ur qualifications as such.
Since u're so competitive, and since i got no titles and hence, nothing to lose at all
, i'll take up your challenge. No i have no time to apply for watever degree or title that u have sought so hard after. You have accused me of blowing hot air about my own work when in reality, i have not attacked your personal photography nor promote my own.
Let us use pictures to speak for ourselves. We set a time, post a selection of pictures, a portfolio, watever. Let the readers here be the judge. u're the one with the
ARPS right? Let's see some pictures from you too. I'll post mine. We can do it in a new thread. Or on a new webpage. Watever. If u're as good as you claim and since u're the
ARPS here, you shouldn't have a problem at all showing your wonderful pictures and wowing the entire readership of Clubsnap. You also claim no one here dares to take up ur "challenge". Well i'll bite
I'll play. I'll show my pics, and you show urs.
What say you?