Sad to see people leaving

[GriGri]

i'm also just starting out with DSLR.. but i think if you want something for the long run.. go for K10D..
i bet my K10D will out last quite a number of others for the value that it's worth..

and since i bought it, i've never looked back..
well.. not lest Pentax decided to come out with the limited edition..
tt's worth the keep..

I'm not looking for big size bodies, neither do I need anything more than 6 mega pixels.

I don't even consider D40x which is slightly more expensive compare to D40 due to more pixels and the extra 'x' printed on its logo. :bsmilie:

 

[grantyale]

The latest market price is sub $900.

The flash trigger flash is refering to when I attach a small flash detecter (is that how they call that?) to the external flash. It will trigger the external whenever a flash light is detected.

However the pre-flash of K100D always trigger the external flash before the 'real moment'. :think:

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[dnaxe]

I'm not looking for big size bodies, neither do I need anything more than 6 mega pixels.

I don't even consider D40x which is slightly more expensive compare to D40 due to more pixels and the extra 'x' printed on its logo. :bsmilie:

you bought the d40 instead?

 

[GriGri]

you bought the d40 instead?

I sold a D40 2 weeks ago for the K100D, might consider getting one back after I let go my K100D.

 

[fengwei]

I sold a D40 2 weeks ago for the K100D, might consider getting one back after I let go my K100D.

Good luck then, and I'm sure you'd love K100D even more after you switch back to the D40 :bsmilie: Trust me on this

 

[dnaxe]

I sold a D40 2 weeks ago for the K100D, might consider getting one back after I let go my K100D.

Yeah. To be honest, the D40 vs. K100D is down to:

1. Whether you think size is a big deal (D40 better).
2. Are you going to get the nikon 18-200 VR? (then obviously D40, although the 18-250 is actually very interesting, so this may not be definitive).
3. do you use external flash lots? (nikon's flash system is somewhat superior)
4. you like proprietary li-ion batteries (you obviously need to buy nimh with the k100d)
5. Do you want lenses other than the kit (the nikon choices are even more limited than your choices with a k100d)

both do not have have wireless flash control internally (need an external flash), previewing RAW in explorer is something which. uh. get picasa. And really - who cares about supersonic motors. If you want faster focussing the k10d will give it to you.

I think that since you have owned both before, decide based on the handling/feel. That's probably the most important thing, anyhow, but is hard to decide on with just a couple of trips to a store. (I didn't have the issue, because when I was deciding it was between the k100d, D50 and 350D, and the choice was pretty obvious).

 

[GriGri]

Yeah. To be honest, the D40 vs. K100D is down to:

1. Whether you think size is a big deal (D40 better).
2. Are you going to get the nikon 18-200 VR? (then obviously D40, although the 18-250 is actually very interesting, so this may not be definitive).
3. do you use external flash lots? (nikon's flash system is somewhat superior)
4. you like proprietary li-ion batteries (you obviously need to buy nimh with the k100d)
5. Do you want lenses other than the kit (the nikon choices are even more limited than your choices with a k100d)

both do not have have wireless flash control internally (need an external flash), previewing RAW in explorer is something which. uh. get picasa. And really - who cares about supersonic motors. If you want faster focussing the k10d will give it to you.

I think that since you have owned both before, decide based on the handling/feel. That's probably the most important thing, anyhow, but is hard to decide on with just a couple of trips to a store. (I didn't have the issue, because when I was deciding it was between the k100d, D50 and 350D, and the choice was pretty obvious).

Since you don't mind to compare the two brands at Pentax forum, maybe I shall elaborate a bit.

1. Sizewise, as long as my function requirements are met, I want the body to be as small as possible.

2. Yes, I finally decided to get the 18-200 VR. In fact the other few lenses I was eyeing on (Sigma 10-20, 30 1.4 and 150 2.8) all came with HSM motors. They might be available for PK mount, but at the same price without the HSM motor they become less attractive to me.

3. From my experience with D70, unlike K100D, manual flash mode in Nikon camera doesn't preflash before the actual shot, hence it should have no problem triggering the external flash. This need to be confirmed before I make purchases.

4. I am not interested in the D40 kit lens, neither did I get the K100D kit lens.

5. From my experience, the li-ion battery used by D40 lasts longer than K100D with 2500mAH batteries. Maybe it is because of the power efficient (That I assumed.) AFS motor used in Nikon lens and the extra power used for CCD vibration reduction in K100D.

 

[creampuff]

The latest market price is sub $900.

The flash trigger flash is refering to when I attach a small flash detecter (is that how they call that?) to the external flash. It will trigger the external whenever a flash light is detected.

However the pre-flash of K100D always trigger the external flash before the 'real moment'. :think:

Flash detector = slave unit.
If you took time to understand your flash system in the instruction manual, you will have realised that the K100D in P-TTL mode emits a pre-flash before actual exposure. So obviously you slave unit will fire prematurely. This issue will affect any camera that emits a pre-flash, Pentax or otherwise.

 

[GriGri]

Flash detector = slave unit.
If you took time to understand your flash system in the instruction manual, you will have realised that the K100D in P-TTL mode emits a pre-flash before actual exposure. So obviously you slave unit will fire prematurely.

Thanks for the explaination.

I'm talking about the M model of the flash, not P-TTL.

 

[ahlow]

Yeah. To be honest, the D40 vs. K100D is down to:

1. Whether you think size is a big deal (D40 better).
2. Are you going to get the nikon 18-200 VR? (then obviously D40, although the 18-250 is actually very interesting, so this may not be definitive).
3. do you use external flash lots? (nikon's flash system is somewhat superior)
4. you like proprietary li-ion batteries (you obviously need to buy nimh with the k100d)
5. Do you want lenses other than the kit (the nikon choices are even more limited than your choices with a k100d)

both do not have have wireless flash control internally (need an external flash), previewing RAW in explorer is something which. uh. get picasa. And really - who cares about supersonic motors. If you want faster focussing the k10d will give it to you.

I think that since you have owned both before, decide based on the handling/feel. That's probably the most important thing, anyhow, but is hard to decide on with just a couple of trips to a store. (I didn't have the issue, because when I was deciding it was between the k100d, D50 and 350D, and the choice was pretty obvious).

when you mention "3. do you use external flash lots? (nikon's flash system is somewhat superior)" why ? :dunno:

is it reaaly that BIG diff ?


Thanks

 

[creampuff]

Since you don't mind to compare the two brands at Pentax forum, maybe I shall elaborate a bit.

1. Sizewise, as long as my function requirements are met, I want the body to be as small as possible.

Small body? how about the new Olympus E410?

2. Yes, I finally decided to get the 18-200 VR. In fact the other few lenses I was eyeing on (Sigma 10-20, 30 1.4 and 150 2.8) all came with HSM motors. They might be available for PK mount, but at the same price without the HSM motor they become less attractive to me.

If you did your research as you claimed, you would have known that there is no lens in Pentax's current line-up which has a Supersonic/HSM motor. Pentax only recently made the announcement to introduce Supersonic lenses. The Sigma lenses you mentioned were on the market before Pentax's announcement, so obviously there won't be any HSM motor built-in for Pentax mount. Maybe soon, but not at present.

3. From my experience with D70, unlike K100D, manual flash mode in Nikon camera doesn't preflash before the actual shot, hence it should have no problem triggering the external flash. This need to be confirmed before I make purchases.

You didn't read the K100D manual thoroughly...

5. From my experience, the li-ion battery used by D40 lasts longer than K100D with 2500mAH batteries. Maybe it is because of the power efficient (That I assumed.) AFS motor used in Nikon lens and the extra power used for CCD vibration reduction in K100D.

If you had done a quick search, you would have known that battery life is the same whether Shake Reduction is on or off. http://www.pentaxslr.com/files/scms_docs//Pentax_SR_system_explanation1.pdf

Anyway good luck in your search for the camera that best fits your needs, whatever they may be.

 

[polantics]

Hmmm...sub 900? At where?:dunno:

 

[longko]

Hmmm...sub 900? At where?:dunno:

OP grey set sells for $860 with kit. (Shop warranty) Malaysia having K100D promotion for RM1999 (Street price even less) & you can request for International warranty.

 

[night86mare]

Can always..

Use a cheapo flash which doesn't have the preflash thing even if it does, which I don't remember it firing, but maybe it's too fast for the human eye.

Cheapo flash = $30.

Loss from changing the system because of JUST the flash thingy slave thingy problem (whatever you call it) > $30, way more? Not sure if it's an entirely rational decision, from my point of view, sounds like a bad case of the BBB. Or maybe it's a new variant, called TTT (try try try). =D

Can someone explain to me what's so great about HSM motors? I only know that they're quieter.. Good for nature people chasing birds maybe, but er, can't really think of any other reason.

 

[GriGri]

Small body? how about the new Olympus E410?


If you did your research as you claimed, you would have known that there is no lens in Pentax's current line-up which has a Supersonic/HSM motor. Pentax only recently made the announcement to introduce Supersonic lenses. The Sigma lenses you mentioned were on the market before Pentax's announcement, so obviously there won't be any HSM motor built-in for Pentax mount. Maybe soon, but not at present.


You didn't read the K100D manual thoroughly...


If you had done a quick search, you would have known that battery life is the same whether Shake Reduction is on or off. http://www.pentaxslr.com/files/scms_docs//Pentax_SR_system_explanation1.pdf

Anyway good luck in your search for the camera that best fits your needs, whatever they may be.

Regarding the flash and K100D manual, would you mind to explain more clearly? I don't have the manual with me right now. Thanks.

 

[GriGri]

Can always..

Use a cheapo flash which doesn't have the preflash thing even if it does, which I don't remember it firing, but maybe it's too fast for the human eye.

Cheapo flash = $30.

Loss from changing the system because of JUST the flash thingy slave thingy problem (whatever you call it) > $30, way more? Not sure if it's an entirely rational decision, from my point of view, sounds like a bad case of the BBB. Or maybe it's a new variant, called TTT (try try try). =D

Can someone explain to me what's so great about HSM motors? I only know that they're quieter.. Good for nature people chasing birds maybe, but er, can't really think of any other reason.

From my experience AFS / HSM motors seems to work faster compare to the normal electromangetic motors. They also cause lesser camera vibration and lesser noise, of course.

I am using a cheap flash, which is triggered by a slave trigger as soon as any flash light is detected, that's why it doesn't work with K100D, which fires a preflash.

 

[night86mare]

From my experience AFS / HSM motors seems to work faster compare to the normal electromangetic motors. They also cause lesser camera vibration and lesser noise, of course.

I am using a cheap flash, which is triggered by a slave trigger as soon as any flash light is detected, that's why it doesn't work with K100D, which fires a preflash.

That's my point, buy one more cheap one..

Which doesn't use a preflash! =D Put it on the hotshoe, and tada, you are thoroughly released from the preflash monster.

That is, if there is no way to remove the preflash anyways, that one you have to wait for creampuff to answer. =)

 

[creampuff]

Actually the solution is to dump the slave unit and get a cheap wireless trigger and receiver.

 

[grantyale]

Can someone explain to me what's so great about HSM motors? I only know that they're quieter.. Good for nature people chasing birds maybe, but er, can't really think of any other reason.

Depending on the variant, ultrasonic motors can be super fast and virtually silent. The HSM on Sigma isn't that great, but I have tried a Sigma 30 on K100D and it was horribly noisy and slow.

 

[GriGri]

Depending on the variant, ultrasonic motors can be super fast and virtually silent. The HSM on Sigma isn't that great, but I have tried a Sigma 30 on K100D and it was horribly noisy and slow.

You should have tried a HSM version to compare.