Sabrina

[student]

Student: Why even bother to be such a troll and post someone else's pictures into D70's portraiture thread? You want to make a point about portrait vs. snapshot, go to the newbies corner and post there.

Why should I? My post was a direect response to the TS own comments that he thought that his picture was a mere snap shot. I wish to correct that to him and others. I was not writing to the visual and intellectually challenged

Also, why do you insist on baiting people here? You start by making a reference to another CS member, well-known here for her red bikini, D200 and lens, and link her to such a useless, pointless post with less worth than the candy wrapper i threw away earlier.

Pointless?

As I wrote, I was not writing to the intellectually challenged.

You seriously think you have any clout here? All you have proven in your response to Del_CtrlnoAlt is that you need parental protection, supervision and coddling. Please don't go near a computer until your EQ is as high as your IQ. Right now I'd say it's about 100 points off.

How can I have any clout? If I have any clout I will deregister weeds like you!

I am only a student! You are correct that my EQ is 100 points off!

Thankfully, like a hierachical system, there are always those with even less! Like those people who want to use bombastic words like "trolling" without knowing what it means!

 

[1Ds]

I am afraid some people have seriously confused two very different things.

A snapshot, as pointed out by someone, is an image taken very quickly at an opportune time. The subject of the snapshot is irrelevant to what a snapshot is. It may be a pink chihuahua with a very long dripping tongue sticking the head out of the window of a red Ferrari with a woman wearing a red bikini and carrying a Nikon 200 with a 105 lens, or a cat doing a pee standing in an obscene manner under an umbrella with psychedelic colors.

On the other hand, a portrait is a subject - of the likeness of a person. The nature of the manner of making a portrait is not spelt out. There are many ways of making a portrait. Some laborious, with planning down to the last possible details with absolute control. Others are snapshots. An example of the former is the late Arnold Newman famed for his environmental portraits. An example of the latter is the "fantabulous" Antonin Kratochvil.

Now which types of shooting technique can lay claim to be "legitimate" ways of making portraits? Can a snapshot style be legitimate, as far as portrait making is concerned? Or must everything be so controlled? Must one be a control freak to be a portrait photographer? Or must a portrait be something like what the writer James Lord said it should be?

Do not be so quick to agree with anything that is posted or said by anyone.

Antonin Kratochvil is a highly sought-after teacher/instructor in portraitures in highy regarded photography workshops in Santa Fe, Maine and others in the US, as well as in several European countries. In 1997, he won first prize from the World Press Photo Portrait series.

So can a likeness of a person taken with a snapshot style be called a portrait? Do we need to argue? Or is the answer obvious to all but those mentally and visually challenged?

Finally, how about this snapshot? Is this a portrait? Look at it! Terrible make-up! So blotchy! Look at the messy hairs on the forehead!

Photo credit to Steve McCurry

What is the diffference bewteen the snapshot by McCurry and the TS? One obvious difference is that the photographers are different. The other obvious difference is that Ts' image was taken in a fashion show. SM's picture was taken in a refugee camp.

What is the similarity? Both are "headshots" (more or less) taken in a snapshot manner.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[Deadpoet]

With all the hoopla going on, unnecessarily started by some, we forgot the fact that D70's snapshots of Sabrina were good snapshots.

I like the first one better though.

Sorry to highjack your thread abit longer.

My thoughts on using Steve McCurry's Afgan girl as a comparison with D70's Sabrina is misguided, twisting reality, comparing apples and oranges.

D70 shot Sabrina at a show, a fashion show I think. I have no idea the motivation driving D70 to shoot and psot these 2 pictures. I suspect it to be capturing beauty, and he did. A job well done.

Steve McCurry, on the other hand, was under disguse in local clothings, sneaked into a refugee camp in Afganistan, he was on assignment to bring back pictures of the human story and suffering in Afganistan. He approached the girl, asked for permission to shoot, and shot off many frames. This is not a snap shot! He also did the one thing we photographers dream of, the picture made it to the cover of National Geographic, and the rest is history.

Yes, D70's pictures were snapshots. Good ones, but still merely snapshots!

 

[Rashkae]

Why should I? My post was a direect response to the TS own comments that he thought that his picture was a mere snap shot. I wish to correct that to him and others. I was not writing to the visual and intellectually challenged

It was DeadPoet, not the TS, that said it was a snapshot. Learn to read before you write.

Pointless?
As I wrote, I was not writing to the intellectually challenged.

You were writing primarily for your own self-gratification, and targeting the wrong person's reply.

Thankfully, like a hierachical system, there are always those with even less! Like those people who want to use bombastic words like "trolling" without knowing what it means!

Oh, I know what it means very well. You, obviously, don't. By posting the taunting references to jeanie, you tried to derail the topic, insult a member and get a heated reply. Ergo, you are a troll.

Might I suggest you try to gain some intelligence before trying to sound intelligent?

 

[Gunbucker]

To D70s, totally love the first photo. Excellent capture, a super sharp capture I might add. Within the short timespan, the model did manage to convey the attitude quite well. Posing is flowing, not forced nor unnatural. All in all, great job! :thumbsup:

As to the pointless bickering of portraits vs snapshots: I myself had my portrait work labeled numerous times of being snapshots. Well at least to me, as long as you have directions in your mind on what you want to capture and a concept of it, I don't see the difference in the result of whether the shot was painstakingly controlled, or whether the photographer gives the model a general direction, let her pose freely, and capture the moment photographer feels is the aspect of the model he/she wants to capture. The end result is what matters most. Nobody ever said portraiture cannot be flowing.

 

[D70sshooter]

ok, jus for arguement sake.

What if during the fashion show. She is not looking at me. So i wave my hand frantically to attract her attention. And only shoot when i got her attention. Would this still consider as snap shot?

sorry for such stupid question. :embrass:

 

[Rashkae]

D70sshooter, I still think it would be a snapshot. A posed one, admittedly, but it's not a portrait.

I shall also inhibit myself from further derailing your thread and not reply to the troll's desperate and immature attempts to seek attention.

 

[sci80298]

If the photos are posted in Ready, Lights, Action!, then there will not be any issues here.

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

ok, jus for arguement sake.

What if during the fashion show. She is not looking at me. So i wave my hand frantically to attract her attention. And only shoot when i got her attention. Would this still consider as snap shot?

sorry for such stupid question. :embrass:

hahaha...

its still a snapshot... cos u never give commands on how to place her hands and how to react... however, if u have a loudspeaker, and you shout and command her to look up, raise hand, etc... then its a posed shot...

 

[student]

With regards to this photo, I am not sure whether this is a posed shot or snap shot. I happened to watch Nat geo channel and Steve actually went to hunt for her 10 yrs later (if I remember correctly). She is already married but her eyes were still the same. The photographer actually posed her and shot several photos of her. Just some follow up information on this. Sorry for the OT.

The second, older shot was a "planned" shot.

 

[Wisp]

it's very obvious you are insinuating me.
i cant believe someone like you exists.
and i'm really surprised the admin and moderators can tolerate a petty midget like you, who is supposed to be highly educated and be out saving lives instead of engaging in flame baits and war.
I think God has forsaken you, and only satan will take you in as his student.
(is that why you are called student?)
i really pity your parents for bearing a child like you and spending so much on your education.
(or has your parents already forsaken you too?)


hope you'll repent.it's never too late.
good luck student of satan (SOS).
you'll need it.

TO be honest, I don't see any degatory about his remarks. The fact is you posted that photograph and you should know what's going to come out from it..*shrug*. I have already told you about that before.

Or you're denying the fact you didn't post those tillitating images in the first place? That you don't deserve all the attention given to you? Funny how you work.

Alright, back to the picture!

 

[student]

It was DeadPoet, not the TS, that said it was a snapshot. Learn to read before you write.

See what I mean by intellectually challenged?

See what the TS wrote in post #14.

Now learn to read before you write.

You were writing primarily for your own self-gratification, and targeting the wrong person's reply.

Of course I get some gratification from writing that post! At least two persons had appreciated it!

You mean you do not write for your gratification of trying to take me on?

Oh, I know what it means very well. You, obviously, don't. By posting the taunting references to jeanie, you tried to derail the topic, insult a member and get a heated reply. Ergo, you are a troll.

Wow! You know the meaning of "trolling"? :bigeyes:

"Trolling" (wikipedia): posting false information to elicit responses or to provoke arguments.

#1 Which information was false?

#2 Arguments? Who started it?

Look at DP posts. At least what he did try was to put his point across, whether one agrees or not is irrelevant.

Might I suggest you try to gain some intelligence before trying to sound intelligent?

You can gain intelligence? Wow! :bigeyes:

I cannot gain intelligence. Too bad. But so are those who are on a lower rung in the hierachy.

 

[major_tom]

I agree with the comments on the sharpness of the pics and the preference for the 1st pic.
Snapshot or portrait debate is never-ending and it's up to the TS's interpretation.
You should be able to justify why it's a snapshot or a portrait .....
It's also interesting to see how your pics were able to solicit a range of emotional responses from fellow hobbyists of this forum. :sweat:

Good job, nice eye-contact and swee model.

 

[Wisp]

Alright, my take on the photograph. What is a snap shot? Personally I never use a that term to describe photography, unless you're talking about snapping up a moment before if it disappears, compared to a controlled shoot.

Now, if we follow these technical terms yeah, it would be a snapshot.

But who cares? Such terms dictate a photograph? NONSENSE!

Each technical aspect that's often expounded (such as cropping..stray strands of hair etc.) are simply refinements befitting a certain situation.For example, what is fashion photography at its most basic form? Advertising (and art too ). All fashion houses want their models to look good in order to market their brand.

However, applying that to a catwalk is abit misconstrued because simply, it's not shot with that purpose. However, simply judging a picture's quality by such an unrelated term such as a snap shot is simply, if I may put it bluntly, bull. Okay, if that term is meant to say that person took that shot without thinking it through carefully , then clarify. It is STILL not appropiate to use the term snapshot.

Critique: Personally I would have no objections towards that photograph. I wouldn't say its particulary interesting to me ( or particularly bad). If there's only one comment I would say its the fact it abit too clinical in terms of composition.Abit too perfect LOL. It seems when you took that shot, you were worried that you wouldn't get the moment, or you're worried that when you captured it there would be a minor flaw that would ruin the picture. But the intent and effort is there. Don't worry too much about the snapshot or portrait bit. A good photograph is still a good photograph, so just concentrate on that!

Experiment abit, push the boundaries. Try disobeying some laws (or sayers) here who said you should have done this and done that, and check the results. Sometimes that could be very interesting!

 

[Wisp]

Hey DCA, like I said, if I may so imply gently. If you want to indirectly refer to me I would rather you refer to me . I heard from a friend of yours that you are very direct, but that doesn't seem to be the case right now. OF COURSE, you could always the backdoor and said I'm mistaken if I think you're referring to me, but hwrm you know what?

Your choice.

 

[bowwow]

sh*t lah! end of the day it's a nice picture.... :thumbsup: to the shooter...

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

Hey DCA, like I said, if I may so imply gently. If you want to indirectly refer to me I would rather you refer to me . I heard from a friend of yours that you are very direct, but that doesn't seem to be the case right now.

did i mention you again? in no way was i ever talking about you for the past week, yet you want to pinpoint me, i dun understand, you need a flash back? i settle with you via PM.

 

[student]

Snapshot or portrait debate is never-ending and it's up to the TS's interpretation.

I can agree with that.

At the end, it really does not matter whether a picture was taken with a snap-shot manner or planned to the last details. What matters is the story it conveys.

I wrote my comments because of a ridiculous pervading notion that if a portrait was taken in a snap-shot manner, it seems to be "less" than one that was taken with a lot of forethought.

See the phrase "still merely snapshots".

What does "merely" means?

 

[ykgen]

dear shooter..

just admit it lah for the sake of the CS community..

we shoot snappy pix all the time..

plus i shoot crappy pix all the time.. hahaha..

(eh.. how come u dun post this pix in PM)

 

[yipdanny]

Whatever it is, it is still a good shot. Keep shooting! :thumbsup: