I was replying to Cichild. What do you mean by "almost there"?
Rumour : Nikon Semi-Pro Full Frame ???
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i am waiting for an update to the 200 f4 macro as well :thumbsup:
don't really need the f2.8 but if they can make one with a nice price, why not?
hopefully an Afs 80-400 VrII... please... :embrass:
Just read some interesting predictions by Thom Hogan for Nikon in 2008. Extracts are as follow:
What, no smaller FX body?
Not in 2008; 2009 at the earliest. First off, Nikon won't be able to make D3/D3x sensors fast enough, so adding another FX sensor to the mix is likely not in the cards for 2008.
Question for next year: 12mp or 18mp? Given the D3's success, I'm now saying 12mp. I'd be happy with that (see right column).
Nikkors:
18-135mm DX VR. It's the orphan in the DX lineup now. It's time must be soon.
24-120mm VR f/2.8. Third time with this lens is a charm, and the folks complaining about no VR on the 24-70mm will be happier, though perhaps not when they see how big this lens is. And I now think I know what my source meant when he said "also DX version": the 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6 VR DX appears to be nearing production. This is essentially the DX 24-120mm equivalent (actually 24-128mm, but what's a couple of mm between friends?)
80-400mm f/4-5.6 VR AF-S. Nikon really needs a lower priced 400mm VR AF-S option, and this is the way they'll address it. Finally.
70-200mm AF-S VR N redesign in time for the Olympics. Some of you might not think it needs it, but a quick nudge to the newer VR and N coating specs aren't difficult.
Prime updates. 28mm f/2, 50mm f/1.4, 85mm f/1.4, 200mm Micro-Nikkor.
Full text can be viewed from:
http://www.bythom.com/2008predictions.htm
What, no smaller FX body?
Not in 2008; 2009 at the earliest. First off, Nikon won't be able to make D3/D3x sensors fast enough, so adding another FX sensor to the mix is likely not in the cards for 2008.
Question for next year: 12mp or 18mp? Given the D3's success, I'm now saying 12mp. I'd be happy with that (see right column).
Nikkors:
18-135mm DX VR. It's the orphan in the DX lineup now. It's time must be soon.
24-120mm VR f/2.8. Third time with this lens is a charm, and the folks complaining about no VR on the 24-70mm will be happier, though perhaps not when they see how big this lens is. And I now think I know what my source meant when he said "also DX version": the 16-85mm f/3.5-5.6 VR DX appears to be nearing production. This is essentially the DX 24-120mm equivalent (actually 24-128mm, but what's a couple of mm between friends?)
80-400mm f/4-5.6 VR AF-S. Nikon really needs a lower priced 400mm VR AF-S option, and this is the way they'll address it. Finally.
70-200mm AF-S VR N redesign in time for the Olympics. Some of you might not think it needs it, but a quick nudge to the newer VR and N coating specs aren't difficult.
Prime updates. 28mm f/2, 50mm f/1.4, 85mm f/1.4, 200mm Micro-Nikkor.
Full text can be viewed from:
http://www.bythom.com/2008predictions.htm
http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9795957-39.html
ppl tend to only listen to the gd stuff and bluff themself
ppl tend to only listen to the gd stuff and bluff themself
not that I distrust Thom Hogan's speculation (his website has great info on Nikon stuff and he has been known to make good guesses) but I believe Sony can produce, and has been speculated to be producing FX sized sensors (for themselves and possibly for Nikon)... on the other hand, the Nikon guy cited in the Cnet article did not mention the time frame for more FX cameras... just that there would be more... well obviously they are not going to end the FX line with just the D3 
... everything else is just Cnet speculating 
... everything else is just Cnet speculating 
chisiang
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I hope Nikon will come out with a FX body that is dedicated to landscape photography.
I don't need those super duper AF mechanism reserved for sports for landscape photography. My current D2X is enough to take care of that and noise wise I can live with it.
I just need a FX for my landscape photography ;p
I don't need those super duper AF mechanism reserved for sports for landscape photography. My current D2X is enough to take care of that and noise wise I can live with it.
I just need a FX for my landscape photography ;p
How about EOS5D? ;p I'd rather top up to get the D3. ;p
Yatlapball
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The top up is quite abit more...
there is like a 99.9% chance that nikon will release a semi-pro D3. the only question is when.
It is LOGICAL to assume that the semi-pro will be released before the D4 comes out. Lets say the life cycle of a pro DSLR is 3 years, the semi pro will probably comes out either this or next year.
I think nikon will follow canon's lead and launch a semi-pro D3 with poorer AF (some of us don't need a 51 pt AF, or a high res 3" LCD, or superior build, etc). It can be priced just slightly more expensive to the D300 and is inferior to the D300 in MANY WAYS, except that it has a FX sensor.
Basically, it is really targeting a different market to D300, someone who doesn't need pro AF, pro build quality, weather sealing, long life shutter, big viewfinder, 3" LCD, etc, etc, but wants a FX sensor for landscape and travel photography or low light shooting.
There are many ways to differentiate the semi-pro D3. it WILL NOT be a D300 with a FX sensor... because that is called D3. IT will probably be a D80 with a FX sensor.
Still even if nikon release a semi-pro FX DSLR, when are they going to release a 24-105 f4 VR lens? I think this lens is very popular among 5D owners.
It is LOGICAL to assume that the semi-pro will be released before the D4 comes out. Lets say the life cycle of a pro DSLR is 3 years, the semi pro will probably comes out either this or next year.
I think nikon will follow canon's lead and launch a semi-pro D3 with poorer AF (some of us don't need a 51 pt AF, or a high res 3" LCD, or superior build, etc). It can be priced just slightly more expensive to the D300 and is inferior to the D300 in MANY WAYS, except that it has a FX sensor.
Basically, it is really targeting a different market to D300, someone who doesn't need pro AF, pro build quality, weather sealing, long life shutter, big viewfinder, 3" LCD, etc, etc, but wants a FX sensor for landscape and travel photography or low light shooting.
There are many ways to differentiate the semi-pro D3. it WILL NOT be a D300 with a FX sensor... because that is called D3. IT will probably be a D80 with a FX sensor.
Still even if nikon release a semi-pro FX DSLR, when are they going to release a 24-105 f4 VR lens? I think this lens is very popular among 5D owners.
the thing, is Nikon might think that they have the high end semi-pro market nicely covered with the D300... the logical thing for them is to update the D40 and D80 first... then again, the D300 came not too long after the D200 (slightly less than 2yrs), which was a change from the D100 to D200 time frame (almost 4 yrs)... basically, we know nothing in this matter
well, if you can afford, great... but i believe more than 90% of us here either can't afford or willing to pay 7.5k and not use most of the function for landscape.
7.5k is still very huge for a normal working adult holding average SG salary
CYRN
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the thing, is Nikon might think that they have the high end semi-pro market nicely covered with the D300... the logical thing for them is to update the D40 and D80 first... then again, the D300 came not too long after the D200 (slightly less than 2yrs), which was a change from the D100 to D200 time frame (almost 4 yrs)... basically, we know nothing in this matter
I tot Nikon did make a comment that they are likely to shorten their product cycle? :think: guess they want to match the 18 months cycle Canon usually follows.
Agree that they need to shore up the entry level DSLRs as their priority for spring 08. And then up their pro series in 08/09 to make way for a smaller FX body. Price and features wise, I guess they will try to slot in slightly above 5D/7D but below 1D, as their usual priactice.
They might come out with it but it might just be what everyone has been seeing so far, the D3. IF the rumoured D3x DO get released, then the D3 will just slot in nicely and at a reduced price some more. You might not want the new AF, the pro body, the LCD or whatever but no one will know if that is in the majority or not. Likely not, we CAN wish but we CANT decide.
It is LOGICAL that they might want to come out with a semi pro FF but will it bring them larger profits or just make another niche in their lineup.
I do hope Nikon would make a "Canon 5D" equivalent. With all the bodies that they already have, and having produced the D3, i imagine it is really not difficult to use a lesser body and slot in a FX sensor. They would then have a complete range of products to take on Canon and distance themselves from the likes of Olympus or Sony. The key issue -- as Tom Hogan has pointed out -- is the availability of the FX sensors. I don't know if Nikon makes it themselves (since they are into lithographic equipment, but do not have any fabs as far as i know), but if they cannot make FX sensors fast enough for the D3, it does not make biz sense to divert valuable FX sensors into a lower value body.
With the semicon glut going on, let's hope those guys will divert more fab plants for the manufacture of these FX sensors...
My 2 cents.
With the semicon glut going on, let's hope those guys will divert more fab plants for the manufacture of these FX sensors...
My 2 cents.
CYRN
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I'm sure they will... read the "rocket scientist" part of the below article.
http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9795957-39.html?tag=more
Yeah true.. It's about 3 month take home pay which I'm sure many would not be willing to afford. There are many things you can buy with $8k. Canon EOS 5D wasn't cheap also.. about $5k when newly released. I think might be better to invest in a Sigma 10-20 to use on DX. Nikon's widest on FX is still 14mm. However, you can use Sigma 12-24 to get 12mm on FX which is quite mind-blowing. ;p
I guess it's hard for them to stick to their 10 year per single-digit model history at the kind of pace the technology is advancing.
but will this shortening of product cycles be just the "s" upgrades... like D70s, D2Hs, etc... or can they really coming forth with new improved products each time
but will this shortening of product cycles be just the "s" upgrades... like D70s, D2Hs, etc... or can they really coming forth with new improved products each time
Hmm.. 's' upgrades are not significant. The 'X' upgrades would be more significant. ;p
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