maybe there was an exclusivity clause between them for the supply of the 12mp sensors.
anyway, thom hogan is suggesting that nikon may be designing / producing their own sensors now (starting with the D3100s) perhaps, the 12mp one too?
[ Rumor and kopitiam ] Olympus E-5 Speculation
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maybe there was an exclusivity clause between them for the supply of the 12mp sensors.
anyway, thom hogan is suggesting that nikon may be designing / producing their own sensors now (starting with the D3100s) perhaps, the 12mp one too?
If that's the Singaporean price, I'm sure many would agree. It would be more like the price of the high end Pentax.
They were getting much better results from it, though. I seem to remember the difference being so great, I couldn't imagine why they would not use the sensor in every (micro) Four-Thirds body. It's probably very expensive, though.
After seeing the D3000 photo results (great sales or not), I'd say that I wouldn't trust anyone else to the sensors. Since Sony has their own brand now, they might not be so willing to put equal sensors into other brands.
Bro, I disagree. I work as a on-site photo editor for events sometimes and I think that Nikon, Canon, whatever, all sucks. Their color accuracy is terrible. Their OOC JPEGs are horrendous. The only thing worth talking about is how they can get away with shooting at ISO 3200 with so little noise like our oly's ISO400.
So to all the other brothers here who've been yelling for oly to have 100% color accuracy, 12stops DR, clean and high DR high ISO (6400) images, I really really REAAAAALLY support you guys. Just those 3 points alone and Oly will capture the market totally!
P.S. Of course, I'm just dreaming. -_-
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lols:bsmilie:
but there's some truth in this... My brother is an ex-canon and now D90 user he came to Sg for training and we have a chance to shoot together so we have a lot of photos quite similar he said Oly color is very detailed
that's coming from a Nikon D90 User and he's no hobbyist like me he is doing FL event shoots like wedding etc.Synergyworld
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A little bird told me with the next 1 months+ should be announcing....but dunno this little bird "zhun" or not. :bsmilie:
That's why recently they are clearing the E-3 stocks. :think:
That's why recently they are clearing the E-3 stocks. :think:
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lols:bsmilie:
but there's some truth in this... My brother is an ex-canon and now D90 user he came to Sg for training and we have a chance to shoot together so we have a lot of photos quite similar he said Oly color is very detailed
completely agree, when shooting along with my other friends who use canon and nikon. Upon quickly comparing our previews Oly has way more color and theirs looked a little greyed out from my eyes anyway. :thumbsup:
yup, many comment on the accurate color rendition of Oly. i even shot casually some weddings using my limited gear. then saw the professionally taken ones using canon or nikon, their color (to my eyes) is a bit off... a lot even having pinkish skin tones, whereas my shots had more natural skin tones (to my eyes again).
Yes, out of camera JPEG files are better from Olympus than anyone else, though the others have been working on it. Do the photographers actually give you JPEGs or raw files?
Nikon's multi-plane (3D, as they call it) auto focus has a lot of merits and while the 11 point auto focus in the 2007 E-3 was better than the previous 3 points, it was surely behind the D300's 51 point auto focus. I don't use auto focus, but a lot of people seem to only use it so they'll be put off by the lack of a good system.
I get both RAW and JPEGs of course.
Regardless, both file types still have very terrible colors to my eyes. This is not an issue of white balance as even after post adjustment(or perfect on-the-spot settings), I simply don't get the ideal colors. I often run into people (and some beloved photographers, will not name any) who tell me that I suck as a editor.
Well, if the color isn't there in the first place, I can't create THAT color even if I change hue, saturation, levels, gamma, white balance, vibrance, whatever especially if that person's cheeks are a patch of ugly apple red. Olympus is the only system I've edited that gives me that beautiful, awesome, drool-worthy tonality and 95% (I refuse to edit olympus images shot at ISO 1600 or higher) accurate color.
Regarding the auto-focus issue... I've edited a few outdoor shoots on occasion (beach, golf course, all good weather luckily) and these photographers are using the top-of-the range prima vroom lenses from CaNikon. Yet, how CAN it BE that their pictures are OUT OF FOCUS. And it's almost like 1:20 photos, not a 1:100 or what. Their shutter speeds are running at over 1/600 and their apertures have stopped down to f/5.6.
And the image isn't focused. Whoopie. Even my 1.5 years old E-30 with its humble 14-54 MKII is better.
Okay, to be fair, none of these photographers are technically perfect either. I mean, they shoot full frame but they don't know how to fully utilise the system. But hey, to date, I've only known a single handful of photographers who're technically perfect.
Now, you'd think that shooting with The Almighty Full Frame System of Awesomeness will give them an absolute edge right?
Nope.
My professional oly friend does better with his dual wielding feat of 2 E-30 outfitted with battery grips and the twin wonders: 14-35mm F/2.0 and 50-200mm F/2.8-3.5
Kk, enough ranting. Tomorrow is another day of suffering Nikon's D3 and D3s nonsense.:cry:
Moral of the Rant: Stick to Olympus if you don't wish for your friendly neighbourhood photo editor to murder you.:sticktong
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Oh I feel you Tenelia.
Oly's AF system is clunky, but reliable and highly accurate.
Very minimal colour correction needed - I shoot RAW + JPEG; RAW for personal archiving, JPEGs for submission; perhaps on 5% of the images I would need to tweak the exposure, but that's normally batch processing fodder.
All that on the very first 4/3 camera - the E-1 of 2003 vintage.
Oly's AF system is clunky, but reliable and highly accurate.
Very minimal colour correction needed - I shoot RAW + JPEG; RAW for personal archiving, JPEGs for submission; perhaps on 5% of the images I would need to tweak the exposure, but that's normally batch processing fodder.
All that on the very first 4/3 camera - the E-1 of 2003 vintage.
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Oh I feel you Tenelia.
Oly's AF system is clunky, but reliable and highly accurate.
Very minimal colour correction needed - I shoot RAW + JPEG; RAW for personal archiving, JPEGs for submission; perhaps on 5% of the images I would need to tweak the exposure, but that's normally batch processing fodder.
All that on the very first 4/3 camera - the E-1 of 2003 vintage.
:thumbsup: yep I agree its not i own an Oly... and the comments I've gotten is from a non Oly user... Actually i envy him coz the D90 focus very fast even in low light while my E620 + 14-54 MK1 still trying to focus he's done already lols....
Before he flew back home my dad asked me to burn him a DVD with my he said wanted to have a copy he's also into graphics he was in the banner advertising before he saw my photos I've posted in FB and Flickr ^_^, so i pass to my younger bro DVD full of photos. My bro did peek at my pic using his MAC he compares it with his.... thats when he message me saying that Oly colors is very detailed :lovegrin:
Their photos are likely out of focus because they're too busy holding down the shutter release, hoping they'll get a good shot. I see too many "professionals" doing the same thing. They don't know how to capture the scene properly, they don't know what's happening, and they're probably thinking about the expensive bottle of wine they're going to buy with the profits instead of how to work the equipment. :bsmilie:
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After I read your post, I was appalled by the fact that professionals do not vet through their work before submission, they don't even have the decency to do that anymore? Oh my goodness. No wonder rates are low for these pro.
I use Olympus, and I don't give discounts. Hmmm... Maybe folks should never go to Canon for the sake of their career. (Just kidding).
Oh I feel you Tenelia.
Oly's AF system is clunky, but reliable and highly accurate.
Very minimal colour correction needed - I shoot RAW + JPEG; RAW for personal archiving, JPEGs for submission; perhaps on 5% of the images I would need to tweak the exposure, but that's normally batch processing fodder.
All that on the very first 4/3 camera - the E-1 of 2003 vintage.
Aye, Canon has the best focusing system though; the only fallback being that you HAVE to use a prime lens to get the most out of their system. Then, it gets incredibly snappy and accurate. Oly is slow, but at least I don't get ridiculous nonsense on their zoom lenses. Though I must say I'm biased being a zoom lens lover myself.
The thing I cannot understand is why they CHOOSE to shoot that way. You most likely would not have time to sort through that many photos, and giving those kind of photos to your client just goes to show how sloppy you are... And hiring a on-site editor like myself just makes me feel like an ass - Somebody could write a program to maybe sort out underexposed (due to the flash being fired at 1/1) and burst shots.
- Oh wait, most clients don't think that way. -
To continue, regardless of what the Olympus E-5 is like, so long as we get to shoot clean images at ISO 3200 and Oly improves on their AF, DR and colors(oh WOW! Improved colors from OLY?!), you pretty much have a WINNER.
Do look at it objectively: The system is worth it just based on colors alone. I mean, what the heck's a good photo worth if you can't get good colors? You're a photographer. You take photos.
Ya ain't no silly Gearhead ya dofus.:sticktong
Here's a true story for you: My sis got herself a professional wedding photographer (of course shall not name who) for SGD2k++. Good repute. Good everything. Then they sent the pre-wedding shoot photos to us for sorting.
Can I kill them? Pretty please with loads of sugar on top?I had about 200+ out of the 2k+ photos that were out of focus. Maybe I should name them to protect others from hiring these fellas.
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There are reasons why people choose Hasseblad/Mamiya for certain work that even the mighty 1Ds Mark dunno what may not handle. It could be the tonality, colour captured and colour processing ability and some other qualities that some mainstream cameras costing $2k to $3k cannot provide.
Of course if I use a Hasseblad/Mamiya, it also instill confidence and professional look on myself.
Of course if I use a Hasseblad/Mamiya, it also instill confidence and professional look on myself.
Oh, just to share with you my sister's fury. She hired a wedding shop, which in turn hired a freelance guy in this forum, who used a Fujifilm S5 Pro. The JPEGs were all off white balance (did not check ceiling/wall colour before bouncing the flash).
That's not the end. He kept taking photos of my sister's bridesmaids and kept the photo for himself :bsmilie:
I told myself not to get married after this incident, if not my future wife will kill me if something screws up :sweat:
Sad to say but almost all my clients insist on getting all the images taken, so that means i have to give all shots including test shots. But of course i included a selection of the images that i deem workable.
Well, it's laziness, mostly, and lack of experience and/or talent.
One photographic company had these huge machines which collected the photos, allowed the customer to select each photo and size it, and print. I doubt that they had time to get rid of the lousy photos and they challenged my being there at the same tournament. Their next-to-smallest photo was priced above my largest but I probably had more takers, though I was restricted from collecting money that day. :bsmilie: I'm surprised when they saw "Olympus" on the equipment that they didn't just laugh and walk away, so it was nice to me that they felt threatened.
I've seen it far too often, though. I'm sure professional sports in the U.S.A. all operate that way and you can often hear the click-click-click of burst mode on television.
Sorry if I sound arrogant. That's really not me. I just don't have time for posers yelling at me.
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