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[Fotophilic]

Again???? No way Jose.... This is most probably, very unlikely, after this incident. As Jacob had mentioned before, we (for me, at least) will rather stay home and rot together with our Fujifilm cameras.

Is it worth it? Just for these?

We have to seek authorization and be granted permission to do "what is needed to be done" - it seems.

Yah kind of. But so what? Many things are like that mah. PM the admin only leh (well, that's what the moderators said). If u don't wish to do it, tell me loh, i help u can?

I was beginning to feel 'at home' with this forum until this happened. Imagine yourself being told not to do this or that in your own home, do you still feel comfortable?

Ultimately this is still not our home.

Bro, i am not siding anyone here. Let's move on shall we?

 

[Cheesecake]

All we ask of... is...

for the TS, Jacob, to PM the Admins in future, if he is to start any more outings that are non-profit and for the benefit of the community on a whole.


that is all.


THAT IS ALL!


is it so hard to just PM the admins and info them so that they can take note of such a thread and outing that is happening and waive the organiser fees, not forgetting answering various PMs from other Workshop organisers etc.etc.?










just a PM to the admins, is it too much to ask of?


wow!

 

[Cheesecake]

To all and Jacob:

To show my discontentment with what happened. I will deregister myself as of today.

Jacob, please SMS me to keep me informed and updated in-regard to this coming outing.

Sayonara......... :cry:

you do not know the head and tail of it all.

and for your info, it doesn't mean that once you're a father, you're all knowing and always right.

what is it with you ppl? just to ask for a PM to the admins, to info them of future outings such as this, will it lead to world war 3?

 

[chngpe01]

There is always PhotoMalaysia where people are more cordial and well-mannered.

Anyway, being a Singaporean, ClubSnap will always be my preference unless the admin decided that I should join the rank of 'Student'; as an outcast.

Talking about being cordial, let me share with all in CS and whoever visit here, to see who is cordial and who is the rude one.

It all started with a PM from a Mod "cheesecake"

hi jacob,

thank you for organising this non-profit learning course for CSers.

I have been informed by the CS Admins to info u that the next time u want to organise such a non-profit learning course, do info them via PM and they will waive the advertising fees for u.

Thank you!

thanks for the info but why do i need to inform them? i still dun understand since i've already place it under Gatherings and Outings AND i've also mention that it's a non-profit event. please dun give me more work. i'm already busy with my own. btw what advertising fee? i dun get it. thanks.

as long as it involve money, you have to get clearance from the admins.

we know that the workshop you organised is non-profit but the next time, do info the admins first with your intention to start such a class.

we are not giving you more work but please do spare a thought for us as we have to answer to many PMs and queries from the various workshop organisers who are concerned with the nature of your organised workshop.

what we are asking of you is to simply PM the admins the next time you want to organise such a non-profit workshop. that is all

why dun those fella pm me directly instead? the admins need only to direct it to me(since i've made it clear it's non-profit right at the begining and let me absorb their troubles. if every time i need to do so much work i'll probably stop everything although we've plans ahead.

i do hope to have happy stay here and not to be bother with all those.

thanks.

we are just asking you to simply PM the admins before you organise such a non-profit workshop the next time round.

that is all. just to info them so that they know.



thank you.

this spells troubles for me.
thanks.

(actually what was meant is that "more work for me" = "troubles for me")

no, there's no hidden meaning. the admins just want to find out more and that is all.

dun read too much into it.

have a nice week ahead!

like i said whoever not happy goes to admins, admins just tell them to read the thread carefully and look for the statement "THIS IS A NON_PROFIT EVENT" simple as that unless they have problem understanding english.

you too have a good week ahead.

After the exchanges, Jacob post this http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4791485&postcount=25

I decided to step in and reminded him in that a PM will do and next time. details here http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4792249&postcount=27

Which obviously Jacob refuses

I have to be more blunt and tell him directly to comply and what happened? Hell broke lose and now the mods are being accused of being unfriendly. sighzz..

Since photobum wishes to leave I wish him a bon voyage and may he finds another forum where he can feel at home and do whatever he wants without following any house rule.

I am opening this thread for the outing to have a closure, unless it gets out of hand.

Let's move on

 

[jacob]

Yup, we're all adults, althou i've yet to have kids. But apparently you did not get the correct idea.

To say the least, like the house rules you have wrote about, we're merely asking Jacob to inform the Admins about his outings thru PM by another moderator. Instead of adhering he is suggesting that we should inform him instead? Is that being reasonable? I mean, house rules, you go to ppl's place, you will ask the owners if you can switch on the TV or take a seat, instead of that he just walks straight in & insists that we should serve him drinks and make him comfortable.

Then he got more worked up and posted a message here that if anything, please pm him directly. We know this outing is good for the community, but rules are rules. We're merely asking for mutual respect and simple cooperations. If this can't be done, then what should we do?

when i go to a friend's(host) house to give ang pows to the kids, do i need to ask permission from my friend to give ang pows first before i hand it over to the kids? on the other hand do you tell your friend who visit you to make themselves comfortable at your home? or do you restrict them on which chair/sofa that they can seat.

in this case apart from paid advertiser whom may be affected(i think) i still don't see a need to do any PM since everything is so clearly stated on the thread. even the paid adveriser is affected why not they contact me? i'm not asking moderators to inform admins regarding this non-profit event in anyway. no body is loosing anything and no body is doing extra job. instead the community gains, the admin gains with more forummers and advertisers. so may i know what is wrong with that? is it because i didn't pay in this free forum?

 

[jacob]

Although i not joining this time round, i appreciate the effort. :thumbsup:

thanks for your appreciation. i'm happy to read that.

 

[jacob]

aiyo..why lidat..gd thing muz share share wif newbies like us mah...

i wish to share but things aren't working as it was supposed to be, at least for myself.

 

[jacob]

To all and Jacob:

To show my discontentment with what happened. I will deregister myself as of today.

Jacob, please SMS me to keep me informed and updated in-regard to this coming outing.

Sayonara......... :cry:

bro,

:bheart::cry::bheart::cry:

 

[jacob]

since you quote me, i might as well explain to you the difference between you and your daughter unless you wanna go back to primary school.

1st, is this thread a nature calling that you have to clear it off otherwise you will wet yourself or is it just a thread that can just take time to get the procedure done?

2nd, probably you also misinterpret the teacher, same as the house rules, your kid need to follow the school rules, the teacher is probably telling her that she should seek permission before going to the washroom instead of just running out to the washroom. What if every kid do that, where is the control? And what if something happens to her, who will be accountable for?

So are you going to be placed together with your daugther or you wanna tell me that since you have a daughter you are more adult than us adults?

sounds like a threat to us then.

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

when i go to a friend's(host) house to give ang pows to the kids, do i need to ask permission from my friend to give ang pows first before i hand it over to the kids? on the other hand do you tell your friend who visit you to make themselves comfortable at your home? or do you restrict them on which chair/sofa that they can seat.

in this case apart from paid advertiser whom may be affected(i think) i still don't see a need to do any PM since everything is so clearly stated on the thread. even the paid adveriser is affected why not they contact me? i'm not asking moderators to inform admins regarding this non-profit event in anyway. no body is loosing anything and no body is doing extra job. instead the community gains, the admin gains with more forummers and advertisers. so may i know what is wrong with that? is it because i didn't pay in this free forum?

nice try, is it so hard just for you to pm?

your reasoning is skewed to a point that i think you are just trying to create an issue with us instead of just trying to do anything else. if its just so hard for you to follow the rules, how do you ever try to cross the road? since rules never apply to you... i doubt you even read the terms and conditions.

 

[jacob]

is it so hard to just PM the admins and info them so that they can take note of such a thread and outing that is happening and waive the organiser fees, not forgetting answering various PMs from other Workshop organisers etc.etc.?

may i know what is there that admin needs to waive the organiser fees? mine? or other organisers?

why does admins need to answer to various Workshop organisers? everything is stated clearly in the thread that it's a non-profit event. i saw the need to inform that anyone can ask us how we use the money which was meant for rentals of location, equipments etc so i posted it. i've nothing to hide neither i gain any of the $. instead i make good friends with more people, young and old ones.

 

[Francis247]

when i go to a friend's(host) house to give ang pows to the kids, do i need to ask permission from my friend to give ang pows first before i hand it over to the kids? on the other hand do you tell your friend who visit you to make themselves comfortable at your home? or do you restrict them on which chair/sofa that they can seat.

in this case apart from paid advertiser whom may be affected(i think) i still don't see a need to do any PM since everything is so clearly stated on the thread. even the paid adveriser is affected why not they contact me? i'm not asking moderators to inform admins regarding this non-profit event in anyway. no body is loosing anything and no body is doing extra job. instead the community gains, the admin gains with more forummers and advertisers. so may i know what is wrong with that? is it because i didn't pay in this free forum?

Hi Jacob,

I am a very neutral party to this whole incident even though I am a moderator myself, but from the way I see it. This comment or arguement is uncalled for. You are trying to make the situation to your advantage.

We are not picking on anyone or anything. Let's use a more reasonable and down to earth parable to relate to the whole situation. If you still want your last words, may it be.

Take Clubsnap as a cafe where people hang out, CS cafe is owned by the Administrators. We moderators are just here to take care of the cafe. You are a customer of CS, you come here, you hang out, you chill out. Now, you got an idea to share some photoshop sharing session with your kakis, but you are not physically here to direct, advice and promote this event, so... What do you do to get more people?

You can paste bills and put leftlets in CS cafe. We as caretakers of this cafe saw it. Of course will ask you to seek permission from the owner of CS who are the administrators. Just drop them a note to inform them.

We are NOT asking to do an accounting breakdown of all the cost elements, we are NOT asking you to write a 10 pages proposal for our approval. We ARE just asking you, for courtesy sake, drop the Administrators team a note. But you just posted a post to say that it is non-profitable. It is like sticking another bill or poster to the owner, "Read here, it is a non-profitable event and I am going to use your place to promote this event". Ask yourself, is this reasonable?

Just need to think about it.

That is all I have to say.

 

[jacob]

T




(actually what was meant is that "more work for me" = "troubles for me")

when i mention troubles for me, i mean this is what i envision this thread is heading to. see all the posts? i knew i'll have a lot of typing/replies to do.

 

[jacob]

nice try, is it so hard just for you to pm?

your reasoning is skewed to a point that i think you are just trying to create an issue with us instead of just trying to do anything else. if its just so hard for you to follow the rules, how do you ever try to cross the road? since rules never apply to you... i doubt you even read the terms and conditions.

i'm not creating an issue here but merely an illustration.

 

[Francis247]

when i mention troubles for me, i mean this is what i envision this thread is heading to. see all the posts? i knew i'll have a lot of typing/replies to do.

Like I mentioned, if you simply do the following

1. Find Darren or Edmund or Simon
2. Click Send Private Message
3. Title : Seek Approval for Non-Profitable Event
3. Content :
Dear Darren, Edmund and Simon (or Dear Administrators of Clubsnap),

I am running a non-profitable event for my Fuji Group this 21st Feb 2009. It is more of a fun event to share some photoshoping skills. As such, there will be a charges of $5 for the rental of place and equipment. For your information and necessary action. If you need any further information, do free feel to contact me. Thanks.


Is this a lot?

 

[microcosm]

when i go to a friend's(host) house to give ang pows to the kids, do i need to ask permission from my friend to give ang pows first before i hand it over to the kids? on the other hand do you tell your friend who visit you to make themselves comfortable at your home? or do you restrict them on which chair/sofa that they can seat.

in this case apart from paid advertiser whom may be affected(i think) i still don't see a need to do any PM since everything is so clearly stated on the thread. even the paid adveriser is affected why not they contact me? i'm not asking moderators to inform admins regarding this non-profit event in anyway. no body is loosing anything and no body is doing extra job. instead the community gains, the admin gains with more forummers and advertisers. so may i know what is wrong with that? is it because i didn't pay in this free forum?

This is the first time I actually reply to a thread of this nature.

Jacob, this is not your friend's house. This is more like a community centre. Ever tried using a community centre near your house and organise things and run things without informing anyone? I believe you will have cops questioning you in no time.

Honestly, I think the other mods were polite when they made a request to you privately through PM, but your response was totally out of line.

This is ClubSNAP community forums, and there are house rules to help keep things in order. If everyone starts setting their own rules and do whatever they want, things will get out of control. I am only asking all members who uses this free forums to respect the house rules and comply to our requests so that our (modes and admins) lives are made easier.

I hope you can respect the house rules/ requests through PMs and work with us, not against us. This is not someone's house, but a community centre that is on the internet. And when everyone can start to understand and respect the people who sacrifices their time to moderate the boards, things can only get better.

 

[jacob]

Hi Jacob,

I am a very neutral party to this whole incident even though I am a moderator myself, but from the way I see it. This comment or arguement is uncalled for. You are trying to make the situation to your advantage.

We are not picking on anyone or anything. Let's us a more reasonable and down to earth parable to relate to the whole situation. If you still want your last words, may it be.

Take Clubsnap as a cafe where people hang out, CS cafe is owned by the Administrators. We moderators are just here to take care of the cafe. You are a customer of CS, you come here, you hang out, you chill out. Now, you got an idea to share some photoshop sharing session with your kakis, but you are not physically here to direct, advice and promote this event, so... What do you do to get more people?

You can paste bills and put leftlets in CS cafe. We as caretakers of this cafe saw it. Of course will ask you to seek permission from the owner of CS who are the administrators. Just drop them a note to inform them.

We are NOT asking to do an accounting breakdown of all the cost elements, we are NOT asking you to write a 10 pages proposal for our approval. We ARE just asking you, for courtesy sake, drop the Administrators team a note. But you just posted a post to say that it is non-profitable. It is like sticking another bill or poster to the owner, "Read here, it is a non-profitable event and I am going to use your place to promote this event". Ask yourself, is this reasonable?

Just need to think about it.

That is all I have to say.

hi francis,

thanks for being neutral. please do note that i'm not making things to my advantage. instead i'm getting tired of this. however i still need to make clear of my stand.

in this CS cafe i'm not a paying customer and so do many more fellas too.

so you meant everyone who wants to organise any gathering/outings need permission first? if yes the admins will be very busy. btw are all those outings in Gathering and Outings have permission before posting? do advice me please. do i have to pay before i organise an outing which i don't gain any $? is CS a free forum? free for community?

 

[Francis247]

hi francis,

thanks for being neutral. please do note that i'm not making things to my advantage. instead i'm getting tired of this. however i still need to make clear of my stand.

in this CS cafe i'm not a paying customer and so do many more fellas too.

so you meant everyone who wants to organise any gathering/outings need permission first? if yes the admins will be very busy. btw are all those outings in Gathering and Outings have permission before posting? do advice me please. do i have to pay before i organise an outing which i don't gain any $? is CS a free forum? free for community?

Hi Jacob,

I have been holding IR Outing for the last few years but due to work commitment, I have stopped. Hope to make a comeback some day. Since such nature of outing do NOT involve money. I don't seek permission. But at times, out of courtesy, I will still ask Teerex about his comments as he is the owner of the IR Forum.

When we first organise our IR exhibition (non-profitable also), we hope to get more publicity. Out of courtesy and goodwill, we inform Darren and Jason Ho. In fact, Jason Ho came down to grace our exhibition.

If the outing involve cost and money, it is out of courtesy to drop Darren or Edmund or Simon a note to inform them. It will be a rude surprise to have workshop organisers knocking on the Administrators door saying that how come there is a paid (Please NOTE, I am using the word PAID, not PROFITABLE) workshop and we moderators and administrators are not doing anything. How come there is such bias treatment? How will the administrators answer to those workshop organisers? There are also cases in the past where members have been using the CS platform to organise PROFITABLE shoot but don't want to sign up as organiser and we are trying to avoid such things from happening. It is only fair to keep the administrators inform as there are cost involved so that they are aware.

I understand that you PUT one post saying that it is a non-profitable event, but how will you feel on the receiving end? Do you own CS to run your own rules? Yes, CS is a free community. But please don't run your thread like a cowboy. We were just telling you that IN FUTURE, if you got similar event that INVOLVE MONEY, please PM the Administrators first to get their permission and support. They are very nice people actually.

We are all working adults with education and manners. We are just trying to be a gracious society that's all we are asking. You merely put a post and asking administrators to read, like you say, the administrators are already busy seeing those PMs, you think they will see your post about this session as been non-profitable?

 

[jacob]

I have been holding IR Outing for the last few years but due to work commitment, I have stopped. Hope to make a comeback some day. Since such nature of outing do NOT involve money. I don't seek permission. But at times, out of courtesy, I will still ask Teerex about his comments as he is the owner of the IR Forum.

When we first organise our IR exhibition (non-profitable also), we hope to get more publicity. Out of courtesy and goodwill, we inform Darren and Jason Ho. In fact, Jason Ho came down to grace our exhibition.

If the outing involve cost and money, it is out of courtesy to drop Darren or Edmund or Simon a note to inform them. It will be a rude surprise to have workshop organisers knocking on the Administrators door saying that how come there is a paid (Please NOTE, I am using the word PAID, not PROFITABLE) workshop and we moderators and administrators are not doing anything. How come there is such bias treatment? How will the administrators answer to those workshop organisers? There are also cases in the past where members have been using the CS platform to organise PROFITABLE shoot but don't want to sign up as organiser and we are trying to avoid such things from happening. It is only fair to keep the administrators inform as there are cost involved so that they are aware.

I understand that you PUT one post saying that it is a non-profitable event, but how will you feel on the receiving end? Do you own CS to run your own rules? Yes, CS is a free community. But please don't run your thread like a cowboy. We were just telling you that IN FUTURE, if you got similar event that INVOLVE MONEY, please PM the Administrators first to get their permission and support. They are very nice people actually.

We are all working adults with education and manners. We are just trying to be a gracious society that's all we are asking. You merely put a post and asking administrators to read, like you say, the administrators are already busy seeing those PMs, you think they will see your post about this session as been non-profitable?

i'm sure there are many others who wants you to organise IR outing for them. i hope you can find some time for them. nevertheless your presents in CS is good already.

why can't the workshop organiser read "This small fee will be use for rental of projector, refreshments and also to deter NO-SHOW registrations." and "non-profit" as posted in the initial thread. they need not keep admin busy if they know what they're reading right? i'm also avoiding more PMs for Admins to read. if they keep getting to admins even after reading all those, i can't do anything either.

unless admin/mod tells me that the kind of non-profit event(like what we're doing) are not welcome in CS as it affects other paid workshop organiser, i'll stop organising and say sorry to the community.

i'm not running my thread like a cowboy which you mentioned but what can i do when there's too many red indians coming to me?

i'm sure both moderators and admins are great people too. for one, Peng Eik is one of the best i know in CS. he has given me knowledge that some people wouldn't want to share. and yourself, Francis, also enlightened me about IR photography etc too. there are many more great people(such as alex, benjamin and many more) in CS too. btw i'm not saying myself as one of them but i try to return some for the community which i was involve quite a long while ago.

 

[jacob]

This is the first time I actually reply to a thread of this nature.

Jacob, this is not your friend's house. This is more like a community centre. Ever tried using a community centre near your house and organise things and run things without informing anyone? I believe you will have cops questioning you in no time.

Honestly, I think the other mods were polite when they made a request to you privately through PM, but your response was totally out of line.

This is ClubSNAP community forums, and there are house rules to help keep things in order. If everyone starts setting their own rules and do whatever they want, things will get out of control. I am only asking all members who uses this free forums to respect the house rules and comply to our requests so that our (modes and admins) lives are made easier.

I hope you can respect the house rules/ requests through PMs and work with us, not against us. This is not someone's house, but a community centre that is on the internet. And when everyone can start to understand and respect the people who sacrifices their time to moderate the boards, things can only get better.

hi clifford,

surprise to see you here.

someone started quoting about house initially. not me.

one who plays basketball in the CC wanting to share/teach some others how to play basketball but neither of them has a ball. so they gathered some money to rent/buy a ball so that the one can share/teach the rest etc. do they have to inform the CC office before they pool the money? i've never seen this happening anyway.

from the PMs that i had with cheesecake, it's obvious someone is not happy about our non-profit event. i've no idea who is it thus i posted in the thread telling whoever reading the thread they are invited to PM me if there's anything as i'm prepare to clarify. unfortunately PE came into the thread and there the thread starts to OT so much well ahead of the event.

i don't set CS rules but our own rules for our events only. and i'm posting something that's crystal clear to everyone(from forummers, moderators, paid/unpaid organisers to admins) about our outing. that's it! if someone can't read well, i can't do much unless the person contact me.

:think:maybe i was having a bad day when replying cheesecake. my apologies to cheesecake if i sounded rude.