On behalf of ZerocoolAstra ... Why is he suspended?

[dingaroo]

Hi, I am inquiring on behalf of ZercocoolAstra, as to why is his account was suspended?

Please advise on status so I can take over the administration of the upcoming outing on Tuesday, 24th August 2010. Don't want to leave newbies in the lurch now that it is only 2 days away from the outing/event.

Thank you very much.

 

[nightwolf75]

because

a)he thought he can get away with calling the entire Admin/mod team anal...
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6425689&postcount=981

I'm confused already bro... bo chap liao...
It's getting real troublesome to organize outings nowadays. Gotta keep track of 2 threads just for one outing, just because it doesn't satisfy the criteria of some @n@l-retentive people. I suppose their whole life is all black n white n no grey areas.

and

b) challenge the Admins/mods on the Terms & Conditions of CS
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6425733&postcount=985

The purpose of not allowing OT in the G&O thread is:

1) save server space?
so... kpt doesn't take up space?

2) make it easier for attendees to follow the threads?
so... having 2 threads to search through makes it easier to find info?

3) just because the rules & regulations said so
... ahhhh now we're getting it...

and just to clear the confusion about starting threads in Gatherings - while we are not against anyone from holding discussion of admin details (eg, when to gather, what to bring etc..) within the same thread in the Gatherings sub-forum, what we would like to discourage is inane chatterings like "haha.. good one!", "wah.. bo jio..." etc.... which happened before, thus making the Gatherings sub-forum one big mess. and we will appreciate if organisers close the thread after it is over.

since ZerocoolAstra decided that to name-call us on simple rules like these (btw, since he is probably reading this - while there are many grey areas in life, unfortunately the same logic can't be applied here if we want to have some semblance of order in CS for everyone), the Admins decided to suspend him for the time being.

just to emphasis this in case more conspiracy nuts out there think we are on a witch hunt - we are not against you guys having outings like these. in fact, they are great! what we will really appreciate if everyone will abide by the houserules set by the Admins so that it will make life easier for all of us to maintain CS.

thank you!

 

[wildcat]

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it" - a quote by Voltaire which I totally agree with.

If his account was suspended because of this, then my thoughts are that it's basically a case of overzealous censorship and control.

Of course, I also disagree with ZCA's action keep going on and on on some things but to suspend someone's account for calling names Taken into context, the name calling would appear more of more of a way of expressing an opinion.

We constantly seek to look for room for improvements and I understand where the mods are coming from, even spoken to ZCA about it previously but it's rather unreasonable to suspend someone just because of someone expressing his thoughts of unhappiness. I would have thought that the mods are bigger than this. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?

It is a FORUM first and foremost, a place where people of differing thoughts can come together and agree, or disagree, with each other and have discussions. I can understand if threads are locked for going OT, accounts suspended if someone persistently breaks the rules, but not for sharing his thoughts.

These are my thoughts. You can agree or disagree with me but I hope they are thoughts that can help you make better judgement on forum censorship in the future.

 

[nightwolf75]

"I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it" - a quote by Voltaire which I totally agree with.

If his account was suspended because of this, then my thoughts are that it's basically a case of overzealous censorship and control.

Of course, I also disagree with ZCA's action keep going on and on on some things but to suspend someone's account for calling names Taken into context, the name calling would appear more of more of a way of expressing an opinion.

We constantly seek to look for room for improvements and I understand where the mods are coming from, even spoken to ZCA about it previously but it's rather unreasonable to suspend someone just because of someone expressing his thoughts of unhappiness. I would have thought that the mods are bigger than this. Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?

It is a FORUM first and foremost, a place where people of differing thoughts can come together and agree, or disagree, with each other and have discussions. I can understand if threads are locked for going OT, accounts suspended if someone persistently breaks the rules, but not for sharing his thoughts.

These are my thoughts. You can agree or disagree with me but I hope they are thoughts that can help you make better judgement on forum censorship in the future.

i am sure voltaire did not include calling names at each other. if you have read the context of his quote, it is about expression of thought and ideas, not name calling. in the time of voltaire, calling him names unjustly will probably result in a pistol or sword dual out in the streets...

while we are all for anyone to share their thoughts and opinions, it is to be done in a civil manner; reasonable and without all the usual cussings. in case you need a reference, might i point you to the T&Cs of CS that all of us are expected to abide by.

http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63954

1. Be Nice and Be Civilised - abusing, name-calling, personal attacks on members and/or generally trying to stir up trouble will not be tolerated. Be kind to newbies as they may not know the general flow of the forums. Repeated violation of this rule will result in banishment.

5. Flaming / Personal Attacks - We will not tolerate abusive, malicious, personal attacks or self-promoting messages. Please refer to Rule #1. Repeated abuse will result in banishment.

if anyone is not happy with the rules, pls take it up with the Admins (their house, their rules) in PM.

i think, on behalf of the Admin/mod team, i have clearly explained the reason for the suspension (not an outright ban, which is what is warranted under Rule 4) by our Admins, and the rationale to split the discussion of Gatherings into different sub-forum. let me repeat one more time - we are not out on a witch hunt, nor discouraging anyone from organising any outings for the benefit of everyone. what we want is cooperation from members in helping to keep the forum tidy.

thank you.

 

[wildcat]

Nope, we're just voicing thoughts. In fact, I get the impression that the mods have stronger impressions about how we have some sort of unhappiness with you guys.

So far as I can see, there is probably only one guy who have such strong opinions about the mods. I never said anything about being unhappy about the rules - I agree with them and the need for such rules to keep the forum in order.

What I disagree with is when things are taken out of context and accounts suspended because the mod appear to be unhappy with a person and seem to be pinpointing on a particular guy. If I were to call ZCA @n@l-retentive in a kopi tiam thread where we can post our rants and joke and kid around, and it was in jest and humour, would my account also be suspended? My point is that some of the mods seem overzealous in bringing this guy down to the point where it becomes obvious. And this is not the first time I observe this happening to particular forum members.

If this is not the right place for a discussion, we can always take it over to kopi tiam where the opinions of people can be shared. Or you're welcomed to share thoughts (not rules - we pretty much know the rules - but thoughts) in the Sun Chaser kopi tiam thread where ZCA supposedly "broke the rules".

Also note that my points are not on ZCA insisting that he have his way, which he did not and I did not see him pursue this to the ends of the world to have his way either, and neither did I see him voicing his opinions on either the Outing thread nor the related Kopi Tiam Outing thread but rather ranting his unhappiness on a separate thread which we (small group of photographers) always go out with. If he had been suspended for forcing his way and still post nonsense on the Outing thread, I would have accepted that and we wouldn't be having this discussion now. Instead what he did was start a kopi tiam thread for discussion and from what I can observe in the kopi tiam thread, it has been all civil and well.

I do hope it is a discussion. Not mere "I am the lawwww" Judge Dredd kinda Judge, Jury and Executioner dead ended no-discussion topic.

 

[Simon]

I am the one who issue the suspension.

Before any of you get involve further, do contact and verify with ZerocoolAstra if there is a need to do so.

This is my original PM to him.

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Originally Posted by Simon
We appreciate the effort put in for organizing of newbies outing.

In any event if there is suggestion on how we could improve ClubSNAP community, we have been very open to read and consider every suggestion put up by members in the feedback or via PMing the admin.

There are proper procedure we need members to follow due to the size of the ClubSNAP forums and moderators and admin are on volunteer basis.

But we will not tolerate any name calling of mods or admin in the forums.

Take this opportunities to spend more times with your family or friends, or just go out and shoot more.


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[wildcat]

In that case, I thank you Sir, for the formal reply to the our discussion.

It makes more sense to me now, why ZCA would say what he did.

 

[Numnumball]

Appeal to admin to seriously consider reinstate ZCA status once all these cool down..

So hoping that ZCA account suspension is only temporary... His absence will prove to be a big loss to this community, given his contributions to date esp in helping the newbies...

Thanks

 

[FibonJemer]

i've learned a lot from this guy, and i think his contribution to the community, including outside of this forum is invaluable

i think a simple reminder to him would be suffice and outright suspension/banning is a bit too much. hope this things are all temporary. just my opinion

 

[ortega]

account suspension is temporary

 

[mrleech]

It is never easy for the moderators/admin to look after the forum. All the time and effort spent, thankless and without any benefit. Coming from a neutral position, I believe everyone is being very passionate about photography. However, rules are rules. They are there to ensure the peace and order.

Let me suggest if the tables are turned. How would ZCA feel if now people call him anal or stuff like that? He has put in alot of effort in helping the newbies and organising outings. He is also not paid.

We can only wish that the moderators/admin will re-look into this whole issue. Then again, the forum is open and free. If we want to be here, we just have to accept it wholeheartedly.

 

[sfoto100]

perhaps the mods can shorten his suspension? since he has contributed so much in organising all these outings?

just a humble opinion from a newbie ..

 

[chngpe01]

This forum is free and welcome all who wishes to participate and even contribute. But there are rules to abide, be it anal or whichever way each individual perceive.

Calling the owners ie the Admin names is not tolerated and a suspension is rather mild. It is outrages to come into somebody house, not wanting to abide by its house rule and calling the house owner names.

There are many members and also mods who have also contributed and yet abide to the ruling so why must there be an exception or maverick.

Even mods who contributed time, $ and effort here are also not indispensable. Even me, cos the day I start to call the admin names and refuses to follow their instruction, is the day I should leave this forum.

Hope it is clear - nobody is indispensable here

 

[Ghaz1]

Perhaps a warning, reminder of the rules and an instruction to edit the offending remark would have sufficed as a first step taking into consideration the effort he has also put in to help the CS community and organise outings at his own expense? :think:

 

[chngpe01]

Perhaps a warning, reminder of the rules and an instruction to edit the offending remark would have sufficed as a first step taking into consideration the effort he has also put in to help the CS community and organise outings at his own expense? :think:

For the record. He has been reminded and warned before, but to no avail

There are many others, who has even put in more effort and even $ and yet can do it without pushing their way around and calling the admin names.

Thread Closed

 

[mrleech]

This forum is free and welcome all who wishes to participate and even contribute. But there are rules to abide, be it anal or whichever way each individual perceive.

Calling the owners ie the Admin names is not tolerated and a suspension is rather mild. It is outrages to come into somebody house, not wanting to abide by its house rule and calling the house owner names.

There are many members and also mods who have also contributed and yet abide to the ruling so why must there be an exception or maverick.

Even mods who contributed time, $ and effort here are also not indispensable. Even me, cos the day I start to call the admin names and refuses to follow their instruction, is the day I should leave this forum.

Hope it is clear - nobody is indispensable here

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Nicely put. It is not easy putting in your personal time to manage such a big forum. Even with a team, it is still not easy.

 

[Darren]

Update: ZeroCoolAstra and Wildcat met up with an Admin - Simon - yesterday and cleared things up. As such, we have reduced the infractions and deregistrations issued and ZeroCoolAstra and Wildcat now have normal access to the forums.

Please note that we seriously did consider NOT reducing or rescinding the penalties given and it was after much deliberation that we have done so. We trust that ZeroCoolAstra and Wildcat will take heed of the guidelines that we operate within - pushing the envelope is fine until the envelope breaks.