ray_stinger
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Thanks. Saw the Mirex adapter posts...thats quite an exp setup....hahaha...i wonder if theres any cheaper alternatives or do I have to bite the bullet?
Old/alternate lenses, adapters, and lens mount conversions.
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tikiman
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Thanks. Saw the Mirex adapter posts...thats quite an exp setup....hahaha...i wonder if theres any cheaper alternatives or do I have to bite the bullet?
I was also researching the Mirex adapter, but it uses Mamiya lenses, and these lenses are not cheap. In fact the whole setup is not cheaper than buying a 2nd hand canon TS lens. So I dropped that direction.
On the other hand, I am looking to get my hand on a Mir-26b 45mm f3.5 or a Carl Zeiss Flektagon 50mm f4 that is using the old pentacon 6 mount, and use a Arax tilt adapter. which the whole setup will cost roughly about 500-600SGD... finger cross...
giantcanopy
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ray_stinger said:Thanks. Saw the Mirex adapter posts...thats quite an exp setup....hahaha...i wonder if theres any cheaper alternatives or do I have to bite the bullet?
To do large shift with tilt movements unfortunately there are no cheap solutions, mirex being the "cheapest". Zoerk horseman cambo etc are other pricier solutions. You can diy some bellows system from an existing LF giving huge movements but it will be huge laborious to use. If u need only limited tilt or shift, like what tikiman shared, the russians sell limited tilt only or limited shift only adapters.
Mirex n especially zoerks have been increasing their prices over the years. My mirex did not cost me 300 plus euros previously.
Wide options in MF for cross adapting are uncommon. 35mm is easy. 24 mm u will be quite out of luck. Mamiya has a 24 mm Fe. Far
easier to get a used first gen 24 tse
Short of ultra wide options, recently I succumbed to a very well priced canon 17 tse. The widest t/s ever. Very interesting t/s mechanism quite unlike my previous nikkor PC/pce.
But I still love my mirex mamiya combo n will be bring the party along for my upcoming Iceland trip this yr
Ryan
hi, just to check, to tilt/shift a lens, the individual lens elements do not need to move right? so it could be as simple as tilting/shifting the lens infront of the camera while making sure that lights doesnt enter in btwn the lens and camera?
asking cos i ve been toying with the idea of making a tilt shift out of a MF lens but not sure if it was more complicated than that.
giantcanopy
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yes it is just a tilt or shift of the entire lens in front of the camera.
U can actually have some kind of bellows/black bag of sorts to connect in between to prevent light leak.
But of course that will mean u cannot easily make fine reproducible adjustments in a way ..
here is what it will probably look like : http://www.creativepro.com/article/build-a-tilt-shift-camera-lens-peanuts
Ryan
ManWearPants
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The lens probably have to cover larger than the 36x24mm image circle for it to be able to T/S, else will have vignetting. Hence Medium Format lenses are suitable for T/S adaptation.
ManWearPants
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Thanks. Saw the Mirex adapter posts...thats quite an exp setup....hahaha...i wonder if theres any cheaper alternatives or do I have to bite the bullet?
There is also a Mirex version for Contax 645. The only way I can justify for these T/S adapters is to have many of these MF lenses sharing it. However, the size of these lenses are bigger to begin with. Hence I am putting it off until I am more proficient in T/S. Still toying with the TS-E 24 I.
Anthony Lee
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is it? i ve been looking for a 100 2.8 and don't really want to go with the nikkor 2.5 cos the build quality isnt solid enuf.. maybe also cos i dun like to bee too main stream.considering btwn konica, minolta, fujica and OM 100mms...
The OM 100f2.8 is pretty good in terms of sharpness but you may have to push the contrast a little wide open. If you want the best then either the OM100f2 or the Zeiss CY 100f2. I tried the OM 100f2 once and was blown off with just 2 shots, both portrait shots at close proximity of the lens owner, so can't post here.
yup. definitely. i meant MF as in medium format.
wah! where did you find the f2? i would really like the zeiss makro plannar 100 f2, but i don't think i ll ever get to own it. the nikkor 105 1.8 isn't chio enough. haha. but i think i ve settled for converting a hexanon AR 100 2.5 and 85 1.7. one system i ve wanted to try...
Anthony Lee
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Ben,
The OM 100f2 plus the 21f2 will complete my OM collection. Hope I live long enough to enjoy them in future.
OM 100mmf2
Lense type: Telephoto lense
Focal length: 100mm
Lense construction: 6 groups, 7 elements
Angles of view: Diagonal: 24°
Distance scale: (m) 0.7m to infinity (OO)
Focusing: Straight Helicoid
Aperture range (Minimum and maximum): f/22 ~ f/2.0
Diaphragm: Automatic
Minimum Photographic Range: 18cm x 12 cm
Filter attachment size / Filters: 55mm screw-in type
Overall Length: 72mm
Maximum diameter: 70mm
Lense Hood: Built-in
Weight: 500g (17.6 oz)
The OM 100f2 plus the 21f2 will complete my OM collection. Hope I live long enough to enjoy them in future.
OM 100mmf2
Lense type: Telephoto lense
Focal length: 100mm
Lense construction: 6 groups, 7 elements
Angles of view: Diagonal: 24°
Distance scale: (m) 0.7m to infinity (OO)
Focusing: Straight Helicoid
Aperture range (Minimum and maximum): f/22 ~ f/2.0
Diaphragm: Automatic
Minimum Photographic Range: 18cm x 12 cm
Filter attachment size / Filters: 55mm screw-in type
Overall Length: 72mm
Maximum diameter: 70mm
Lense Hood: Built-in
Weight: 500g (17.6 oz)
giantcanopy
Senior Member
Depends on what you are comparing with la. If u r referring to say a Mamiya M645 35mm f3.5, it is smaller than the Canon 35mmL / AFS 35mm f1.4G. If u r referring to the M645 55mm f2.8, it is as small or smaller than a AFS 50mm f1.4 G, and definitely smaller than a 50L
I did think of 67 format lenses, but after some close up viewing, they are wayyyyy too huge and heavy for my use ...
Ryan
ManWearPants
Senior Member
Depends on what you are comparing with la. If u r referring to say a Mamiya M645 35mm f3.5, it is smaller than the Canon 35mmL / AFS 35mm f1.4G. If u r referring to the M645 55mm f2.8, it is as small or smaller than a AFS 50mm f1.4 G, and definitely smaller than a 50L
I did think of 67 format lenses, but after some close up viewing, they are wayyyyy too huge and heavy for my use ...
Ryan
Ben should be looking into T/S adapters for 35mm lenses onto NEX or m4/3s.
giantcanopy
Senior Member
Ben should be looking into T/S adapters for 35mm lenses onto NEX or m4/3s.
here is a tilt only for 4/3 : http://www.adrianololli.com/articolo.asp?ID=3107
and http://www.lensbaby.com/shop/tilt-transformer for Nex / micro 4/3
There was some talk of a japanese company trying to come up with t/s adapter for micro-4/3s, if anyone can read japanese : http://www.hinoseisakusho.jp/tilt_shift_adapter.html
( the google translate did not make too much sense either )
Ryan
Ben should be looking into T/S adapters for 35mm lenses onto NEX or m4/3s.
dun have NEX nor M4/3 and im pretty sure i could make a working t/s adapter for medium format lenses.. i ve got a set of mamiya tlr lenses that are tiny here so maybe i ll start with those...
giantcanopy
Senior Member
Ben Ang said:
It could be a nice project if u got the time at hand and into some engineering n precision milling of parts. I thought through several designs but something along the mechanism of mirex/pce/tse will work in a smaller package!
(I m not too savy in this, perhaps some design n engineering fella will be far more proficient)
Ryan
im gonna try with the mamiya sekor 80 3.5. would like something wider, but this might work. i will fold my own square bellows, and try to copy something like lens babies with the 3 screws.. based on my free time i think it ll take me more than a month though =\
tikiman
Senior Member
Update on my quest to get a tilt adapter - Got an email from the seller of the Arax tilt adapter saying that they do not accept orders with different delivery & billing address. Guess I have to put the whole TS photography with MF lenses on a hold.
Purchased a SMC Takumar 28mm f/3.5 yesterday. There are the usual scuff marks, but on the whole it is in good condition and can focus to infinity. it is definitely not fast! and not a logical fit on a crop sensor 7D. It is like a 50mm f/3.5 on a FF :bigeyes:
Actual lens. Did some product shot of it with & the finally-repaired Volna-9
Purchased a SMC Takumar 28mm f/3.5 yesterday. There are the usual scuff marks, but on the whole it is in good condition and can focus to infinity. it is definitely not fast! and not a logical fit on a crop sensor 7D. It is like a 50mm f/3.5 on a FF :bigeyes:
Actual lens. Did some product shot of it with & the finally-repaired Volna-9
ManWearPants
Senior Member
Will you guys buy a Zeiss ZF.1 and convert to EF mount or just buy a ZE mount lens? We are talking about maybe $500 difference and manual vs auto aperture.
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i ve read about this one before, but figured it'd just be too expensive to get. i use the nikkor 135 f2 alot and its really good, but the nikkor 105 1.8 doesnt feel solid enuf even thought he optics are pretty good.
im getting down to convert a minolta MC(orMD) 85 1.7. decided not to go for konica cos they re more ex and i cant be sure i can convert...
depends... if i were set on using the lens as a main lens then i d pay more. if i were just toying aorund with the FL then i ll convert.. stop down metering is a pain once you get down to f5.6 and smaller..
having the exif data coming back via the lens connection is a plus though not a must...
having auto aperture is really nice but without it, you won't die...
having direct canon mount instead of via an adaptor, that to me, is the beauty if you're into scenery! (landscape)
Set to hyperfocal and its faster than any AF lenses! just my 2 cents...
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