From 2 separate releases.. just 1 day apart, one can really see who is truly "LISTENING" to the customer base.
Though its a slow release, the impact it has made is astounding ... rather than keep on releasing half baked solutions to consumers...
Nikon D300 / D3 what effect on Canon?
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From 2 separate releases.. just 1 day apart, one can really see who is truly "LISTENING" to the customer base.
Though its a slow release, the impact it has made is astounding ... rather than keep on releasing half baked solutions to consumers...
why would i want to put a GPS tracker in my camera?
the last thing i need is when i go for a studio shoot in GL and questions and calls coming in to check why I'm in that area! :sweatsm::sweat:
EXIF can remove one mah... right? :bsmilie:
phoakm
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As I have mentioned years ago, FF is the way to go and Nikon finally convinced
This also shows that Canon is still the leader in terms of technology, they are definitely more matured than others in these areas. I am also happy that Nikon finally catch up Canon in terms of FF, high FPS and high ISO after all these years. And combine all these to come out with D3.
Can't wait to see what Canon is going to come out with to compete with D3.
Personally, 1D MKII is good enough for me, i don't see the needs to upgrade till it die on me one day *touchwood*
Well said, and absolutely true. This is where I am really disappointed by Canon's strategy and approach..their market "segmentation" approach deprives their lower and middle end models of what could be truly great cameras...this is in contrast to Nikon's approach. I am feeling many Canon followers who are planning to get the 40D are feeling "short-changed" and disappointed now following the D300 announcement. The 40D now looks like a joke next to D300. Nikon really knew how to take the wind out of Canon's sails.
Like you said, hope this would force Canon to "wake up" their idea and abandon their silly dollar-driven, market segmentation approach and take a full-on approach to design what their consumers truly want. I hope the forthcoming 5DMkII or 3D can truly deliver what everyone wants and has been expecting....if its just an "incremental" upgrade like the 30D was to the 20D, then make no mistake there'll be more people jumping ship from Canon to Nikon.
Now, it just remains to be seen if the newly announced cameras can truly perform as their manufacturers claim them to be. Especially in critical areas of AF performance, high ISO noise control and overall IQ. We will know for sure in the coming months.
Ain't that the truth?
I was SHOCKED that Canon refused to include AF micro-adjustment in the 40D. I would have pre-ordered the 40D in the blink of an eye if only they had included that feature. I am SICK of going back and forth to CSC just to get my lenses calibrated for each new camera I purchase.
And Canon increased the LCD size to 3" with that PATHETIC 230,000 pixel count. What age do they think we're in?
Now... I will wait... or maybe switch to Nikon. :bsmilie:
I am now curious what Nikonians will say about soft corners and vignetting. Oh... I especially want to read what Phil Askey has to say, especially since he enjoyed criticizing the FF format.
As for high ISO performance, we'll wait and see. Will Nikon continue their infamous habit of hiding noise by brushing away the details?
I am very angry with Canon about this as well. The AF unit is probably the best example. Why must they handicap their consumer/prosumer DSLRs with HORRIBLE AF sensors? In addition, they now have severe QC problems: underexposure on some 400D units and poor focusing on some 1D MkIII units. Sigh...
On the other hand, I am wondering if Canon is really handicapped. I notice that Nikon offers 2% spot metering that can be used on ANY AF point (there are now 51 of them). Canon only has 3.8% spot metering at the center and nowhere else. What do you call this: pathetic???
Other things which boggle my mind: why still ONLY +/- 2 eV exposure compensation on the 40D, why only 3 frame exposure bracketing, why such STUPID auto ISO implementation? What is the cost of including these firmware features? ZERO. As stupid as removing RAW from the G7.
Canon should price this camera between the D300 and D3 with similar features to the 1D MkIII. And for goodness sake, incorporate the friggin' AF micro-adjustment.
zuikoku
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Nikon learned a lot from previous experience which also see about history of EOS itself.
The most phenomenal thing is Nikon won the 1st half of 2007 sales in Japan by the solid sales of D40/D40x/D80 & D200.
After won the battle on consumer grade level, juzz a great momentum to grab higher level such EOS 1D/1Ds market.
Now with D3, Nikon is doing a great leap to against Canon directly.
In term of specs, D3 win almost all aspect including a terrific 3.0" LCD with 922k resolution !
Time will tell us which one is the real winner in sales number...
The most phenomenal thing is Nikon won the 1st half of 2007 sales in Japan by the solid sales of D40/D40x/D80 & D200.
After won the battle on consumer grade level, juzz a great momentum to grab higher level such EOS 1D/1Ds market.
Now with D3, Nikon is doing a great leap to against Canon directly.
In term of specs, D3 win almost all aspect including a terrific 3.0" LCD with 922k resolution !
Time will tell us which one is the real winner in sales number...
jOhO
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actually i'm also waiting for 5D successor, but let's say min 6 more months, in the meantime i'll get a 40D to tahan till it comes out lor... i already have one 5D anyway...
can one lar, u can do it! endure! :bsmilie:
jOhO
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jOhO
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hey that's me! i went from nikon to canon, not that long ago really. well i still own most of my nikon gear, but it's been "decommissioned" since i bought my full range of canon stuff...
anywayz, i want to bring up another point why i switched to canon, besides the noise issue which is possibly "solved" in the d3 and d300. it's their lenses, prime lenses i might add. how hard is it to put afs on an 85/1.4 when they can do it on a 17-55dx that costs $400???? maybe different motor but i think u see my point. also, many of my kind of users (low, natural light photography) need faster lenses, and the fastest lenses are primes, and canon definitely tops in that regard, and have been so for agesssss...
altho, i must say canon's zooms are "lesser" than nikons, for sure. i'm moving towards being more of a prime lens user, so in terms of choosing canon, its lens system was a very big factor for me.
and another thing i gotta say about nikon, they take so long to come up with full frame and good noise control, they lost customers to canon, some might not go back, too bad lor. i don't think i will be going back to nikon....
got pros and cons lar, with canon i have been shooting quite well too, so all in all, it's good, i'm happy. of course having used both systems extensively, i can give a big long list of pros and cons for each side, but i don't really see the need.
someone asked me about brand loyalty, i said i dun have, i only have passion loyalty... if that makes sense. :bsmilie:
Wow Wee Wowww...
First off, a HUGE congrats to Nikon for making the perfect counter-move. A Full-Frame DSLR that could do 9fps full-frame??? That sounds to me like a digital reincarnation of the legendary F5. A do-it-all Pro grade DSLR for the same market that embraced the F5 (wildlife, sports, PJ, weddings, fashion, landscape, etc, etc). A perfect counter-move to Canon's choose-your-poison MARKETING-DRIVEN approach (u wan fullframe neh? or fast-fast 1.3x crop? choose choose neh...).
THANK YOU NIKON!!! The Canon Marketing boffins really need this kick in the nuts, badly! This will smack their dirty little fingers from CRIPPLING any goodies from the upcoming 5D Mark II.
Now the race really begins. I'm expecting an exponential increase in really USEFUL features in upcoming Canon models from this point onwards. :thumbsup:
First off, a HUGE congrats to Nikon for making the perfect counter-move. A Full-Frame DSLR that could do 9fps full-frame??? That sounds to me like a digital reincarnation of the legendary F5. A do-it-all Pro grade DSLR for the same market that embraced the F5 (wildlife, sports, PJ, weddings, fashion, landscape, etc, etc). A perfect counter-move to Canon's choose-your-poison MARKETING-DRIVEN approach (u wan fullframe neh? or fast-fast 1.3x crop? choose choose neh...).
THANK YOU NIKON!!! The Canon Marketing boffins really need this kick in the nuts, badly! This will smack their dirty little fingers from CRIPPLING any goodies from the upcoming 5D Mark II.
Now the race really begins. I'm expecting an exponential increase in really USEFUL features in upcoming Canon models from this point onwards. :thumbsup:
blue monster
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Finally, a nice counter move from Nikon.
Canon has shown us they can produce pretty good auto-focus in the EOS 1v and EOS 3 flim camera days. Even the EOS 30 and EOS 50 had pretty respectable auto-focus back then and they chose to cripple the auto-focus in the D30 when they produced their 1st digital camera.
With the D3 AND D300, lets hope canon stop playing games and come up with their long awaited 1 Dv and 3D.
For now, I shall stick to my old D60.
Canon has shown us they can produce pretty good auto-focus in the EOS 1v and EOS 3 flim camera days. Even the EOS 30 and EOS 50 had pretty respectable auto-focus back then and they chose to cripple the auto-focus in the D30 when they produced their 1st digital camera.
With the D3 AND D300, lets hope canon stop playing games and come up with their long awaited 1 Dv and 3D.
For now, I shall stick to my old D60.
JoshSiao
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The 40D and D300 specs are really far apart. The 40D specs did not really impress me as I had more or less expected that after the previous camera releases. Now the 40D is looking more like a toy compared to the D300. D300 specs I am stunned and shocked at the differences. Even the D3 is shocking. Its really a leap up for Nikon. As for Canon, the upgrades as many have pointed out are relatively small steps up from previous bodies. They still get stuck with 3.0" LCDs but 230k resolution? And theres that completely useless direct print button. The camp change is tempting for many now. I will wait for the 5D replacement (Go for FF!) and the noise test reviews of the D300 and D3 and see which is more tempting. I haven't invested heavily in EOS mount lens, most of mine are AI-S Nikkors so any change is possible. I am hoping Canon will wake up and produce something good and solid for the 5D replacement. Putting all the nitty bitty features aside, its Canon's noise control that wins, now only for full noise tests on the new Nikons...
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