Nikon D300 / D3 what effect on Canon?

[Gunbucker]

Or does Canon have technologies up its sleeve ready for the 5D Mark II?

That's what I'm hoping for... finally, a full-featured 5D Mark II. A good retaliation to the Nikon D3 assault would be Canon's own digital reincarnation of the beloved EOS-1v as a 5D Mark II, with at least 6.5fps, weather sealing, and 1D-like AF system. Just stop being indecisive on the 5D and embrace it as part of the pro lineup and let the 1D features trickle in.

It's truly exciting times indeed! :lovegrin:

 

[David]

Great arguments, but I do wonder...

How come most amateurs have tons of negative complaints about C or N's cams but the real pros who do this for big bucks (like guys covering NFL/NBA/Olympics/Nat Geo/Discovery) rarely b1tches about not having this and that feature and usually just stick to what works for them even if it's 1-2 generations old hehe.

The manufacturers must love reading about how followers are killing each other with "im better" battles while they just keep on raking in the cash.

I think cos...:

1. Real pros who make big bucks from photography won't even bother coming to photography forums such as Clubsnap and they may not even know of their existence! Also they are busy shooting most of the time to join in forum discussions, which don't get anywhere much in the end for them.

2. The pros are already using top of the line 1D cams and L lenses. There is really nothing much more to complain. If you notice, it's the lower and mid level Canon DSLR users who are fuming now.

 

[David]

I don’t get it. Why is it every time excitement bubbles up over a new camera feature, some wet blanket will come and deride progress with the ‘its not going to make you a better photographer’ line?

I have a different mindset. I embrace technological progress.
We take autofocus, in-camera exposure metering, auto flash power metering etc all for granted now. Yet, all these features were once-upon-a-time ‘new’. So too, today’s new advancements will come to be regarded as ‘standard’ and ‘useful’ in due time.

Supposing Canon or Nikon were giving out free upgrades to existing users, would you happily go and trade in your old camera for the newest toy? Of course you would! Everybody appreciates new features.

Honestly, the ‘its not going to make you a better photographer’ is just our way of rationalisation. It helps us cope with our financial limitations of not being able to regularly throw good money away for the newest incremental upgrade.

Ha... :thumbsup: bro. Kinda expressed my sentiments. I'm really tired of hearing that, and the "even with a compact cam, a good photographer can produce great pics".

There's really nothing wrong with discussing the latest technologies. It's human nature. Deep inside, we want the latest, regardless of whether we will use those features or not. It shoud never be an issue whether we can produce great pics with a new cam. How are you going to justify someone buying a Merc over a Toyota? Or an Omega over a Casio?

 

[cibs]

I think cos...:

1. Real pros who make big bucks from photography won't even bother coming to photography forums such as Clubsnap and they may not even know of their existence! Also they are busy shooting most of the time to join in forum discussions, which don't get anywhere much in the end for them.

2. The pros are already using top of the line 1D cams and L lenses. There is really nothing much more to complain. If you notice, it's the lower and mid level Canon DSLR users who are fuming now.

1) Not really.. something we come here to get good deals

2) Oh yea we do.. the shutter of one of my 1dmk2 died twice.. once just after warranty and the other a couple of thousand clicks after that. On top of that.. when I sent it in, they sent it back with the mounting plate mounted in reverse.. they didnt even bother to check if a lens would go in.. AND on top of that, when I sent it back again, the camera came back with the hotshoe mount squashed in.. so I couldnt mount my flash.. lucky i had my other body there.. and I shot predominately without flash.. I had to come home and twist the damn thing up again because I couldnt afford the another time out just to send it back to them. FYI, I had to pay for the shutter replacement, shipping etc..

The only thing that stopped me from jumping ship was the performance at 1600.. if Nikon can do better, I wouldnt mind dwelling in the darkside a bit.

3) Does anyone use the Canon CPE3? Notice plastic clips breaking off? Here's another Canon quality control..

Don't get me wrong.. they do make good cameras.. maybe its just the attitude or their service I'm pissed off with.. however.. they seem interelated.. if things dont go wrong.. you dont have to entertain the other.. make sense?

 

[Gunbucker]

2. The pros are already using top of the line 1D cams and L lenses. There is really nothing much more to complain. If you notice, it's the lower and mid level Canon DSLR users who are fuming now.

You are absolutely right David! Canon seems to have two market segments in their mind... the serving (mid range and lower segments), and the served (1D segment). They serve the 1D crowd to the T and literally throw scraps to us low/mid range users ("What? 20D time to upgrade ah.. orrr... ok lor, give bigger LCD and call it 30D. What? same crowd want full-frame now ah?!?! Sie beh troublesome leh... ok ok... put a full-frame sensor in a 20D operation and call it 5D, heh heh heh... now, stop troubling me from counting my 1D sales numbers!!!")

 

[David]

You are absolutely right David! Canon seems to have two market segments in their mind... the serving (mid range and lower segments), and the served (1D segment). They serve the 1D crowd to the T and literally throw scraps to us low/mid range users ("What? 20D time to upgrade ah.. orrr... ok lor, give bigger LCD and call it 30D. What? same crowd want full-frame now ah?!?! Sie beh troublesome leh... ok ok... put a full-frame sensor in a 20D operation and call it 5D, heh heh heh... now, stop troubling me from counting my 1D sales numbers!!!")

Ha ha, Gunbucker, I like your example! It's the same with their compact digital cams too.....marketing thingy.

We consumers just have to satisfied with what we have and make the best use of our gear.

 

[canturn]

I think cos...:

1. Real pros who make big bucks from photography won't even bother coming to photography forums such as Clubsnap and they may not even know of their existence! Also they are busy shooting most of the time to join in forum discussions, which don't get anywhere much in the end for them.

2. The pros are already using top of the line 1D cams and L lenses. There is really nothing much more to complain. If you notice, it's the lower and mid level Canon DSLR users who are fuming now.

Acutally...

1. Real pros who make big bucks visit the forum, just that most of the time, they reserve their comments on many things. Some pros are making $20k by doing 4 - 5 shoots a month, they'll have more than enough time

2. To be honest with you, the pros doesn't necessary rely on top-of-the-line or the nirvana of all gears. In fact, if you work out the sums, factor in equipment depreciation cost and all, using the cheapest available gear that gets the job done is the way to go. After all, it's whose hands that are using it One of the very popular wedding photographers in Singapore is using a Pentax k10 after downgrading from canon eos 1 series, and he's happily making 5-figure sum every month.

 

[NorthernLights]

The real loser is not Canon but Fuji. It's a 6MP DX sensor, specializing in Film simulation with F-Bayonet mount.

 

[Synergyworld]

Agreed!!! :thumbsup:

Ha... :thumbsup: bro. Kinda expressed my sentiments. I'm really tired of hearing that, and the "even with a compact cam, a good photographer can produce great pics".

There's really nothing wrong with discussing the latest technologies. It's human nature. Deep inside, we want the latest, regardless of whether we will use those features or not. It shoud never be an issue whether we can produce great pics with a new cam. How are you going to justify someone buying a Merc over a Toyota? Or an Omega over a Casio?

 

[JoshSiao]

I don’t get it. Why is it every time excitement bubbles up over a new camera feature, some wet blanket will come and deride progress with the ‘its not going to make you a better photographer’ line?

I have a different mindset. I embrace technological progress.
We take autofocus, in-camera exposure metering, auto flash power metering etc all for granted now. Yet, all these features were once-upon-a-time ‘new’. So too, today’s new advancements will come to be regarded as ‘standard’ and ‘useful’ in due time.

Supposing Canon or Nikon were giving out free upgrades to existing users, would you happily go and trade in your old camera for the newest toy? Of course you would! Everybody appreciates new features.

Honestly, the ‘its not going to make you a better photographer’ is just our way of rationalisation. It helps us cope with our financial limitations of not being able to regularly throw good money away for the newest incremental upgrade.

I agree. Instead of having to comfort myself for not being able to even buy lenses costing 1k+ at one go, I say better to have progress and revel in the excitement becasue sooner or later, you can get such stuff cheaper. But don't worry, history has shown that there are people who are not accepting of new technology especially when they've used one camera body for a long time. Some might have read how the pro photogs of the MF era were skeptical of zooms, and Auto-Focus or even electronics? Take the F3 for example, Nikon's pioneering electronic SLR. Many refused to even look at it. But lo and behold, its been one of the longest SLRs in production.

These are truly exciting times. Canon is very good at marketing but they'll better not be beaten at the consumer and semi-pro level or else the R&D labs will have less $$ to produce flagships. The competition is hot but good for the consumers. Come on! Lets have a fantastic upgrade at the 5D mark II! They have to come up with some clever features that can be put into the 5D mark II that won't steal the share from the 1Ds-Mark III. Hopefully though these features arn't stupid like a direct-print button??!!

 

[canturn]

also, buying a camera isn't just about the magnitude of the figures.

for people doing this for a living, after sales service is important - if ever there's equipment failure, downtime should be little. a company can produce the best camera but with poor aftersales service, esp when digital stuffs are so vunerable to break downs and all, it's only good for the equipment wankers or measurbators.

 

[EiRiK]

51 focus points (15 cross-type sensors) for both D300 and D3! wow liao ... I think the Dark force has finally fight back man ! Looks like this alone can cause many to swap sides liao ....

y need so many points?

my 10D only has 7, and i only use 1 of them

 

[Gunbucker]

Hopefully though these features arn't stupid like a direct-print button??!!

Ooohh, don't even get me started on the almighty direct-print button. I truly, sincerely would like to have the ultimate honor of knowing the Canon marketing GENIOUS that introduced the direct-print button....... the next big thing since sliced bread! :bsmilie:

 

[aloyyolaaloy]

y need so many points?

my 10D only has 7, and i only use 1 of them

sooner or later the whole damn viewer will be filled with dots :bsmilie:

 

[scenar]

Other than the AF focusing, I don't feel anything special about the D3 nor D300.

For the last few years, I enjoyed a great deal on using the Nikon D70 and D200....yes, they are still with me. Along with so many other Nikon made(s)

I am abit disappointed with the ISO.....Canon has ISO50 for quite awhile already. Nikon is still lagging :what: Not only that, comparing both Nikon and Canon top of the range cameras.....Canon is topping 21 megapixels as Nikon is still clinging on to its ':embrass:' 12 megapixels lor. :thumbsd:

Should I start selling and move camp :sweat:

Just curious, why do u want ISO 50?
As for the >$10k 1dsmkIII with 21MP, are you seriously going to need or BUY that? if so, by all means. However, from your prev posts, I get the idea that you are not a working pro photog. I would think most hobbyists are well served by 8MP! If you are switching just to claim that your brand makes a 21MP camera (which u are not ever going to buy) then well...:sweat:

Edit: Hey do switch brands, just remember to put up your stuff on B&S!

 

[John Tan]

y need so many points?

my 10D only has 7, and i only use 1 of them

Agreed, when I used 10D and 20D, I used one in the middle and the either corner pt only...even when I used 1D mk2 , 1D mk2n and mk3 which have 45 pts but I never use more than 2 pts...hahaha...I prefer the pt appear only when u select it not just cover the whole frame...so messy...

 

[CYRN]

y need so many points?

my 10D only has 7, and i only use 1 of them

I would like to quantify this statement... I use only the center AF cuz the rest are unreliable, especially when used together.

 

[John Tan]

Just curious, why do u want ISO 50?
As for the >$10k 1dsmkIII with 21MP, are you seriously going to need or BUY that? if so, by all means. However, from your prev posts, I get the idea that you are not a working pro photog. I would think most hobbyists are well served by 8MP! If you are switching just to claim that your brand makes a 21MP camera (which u are not ever going to buy) then well...:sweat:

Edit: Hey do switch brands, just remember to put up your stuff on B&S!

I do used ISO 50 often when need to shoot in wide open in the day...

 

[John Tan]

I would like to quantify this statement... I use only the center AF cuz the rest are unreliable, especially when used together.

now mk3 claim it's AF is almost the same for all the 45 pts...

 

[John Tan]

I don’t get it. Why is it every time excitement bubbles up over a new camera feature, some wet blanket will come and deride progress with the ‘its not going to make you a better photographer’ line?

I have a different mindset. I embrace technological progress.
We take autofocus, in-camera exposure metering, auto flash power metering etc all for granted now. Yet, all these features were once-upon-a-time ‘new’. So too, today’s new advancements will come to be regarded as ‘standard’ and ‘useful’ in due time.

Supposing Canon or Nikon were giving out free upgrades to existing users, would you happily go and trade in your old camera for the newest toy? Of course you would! Everybody appreciates new features.

Honestly, the ‘its not going to make you a better photographer’ is just our way of rationalisation. It helps us cope with our financial limitations of not being able to regularly throw good money away for the newest incremental upgrade.

becos we r human beings...