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[snowspeeder]

Life itself is full of ironies. There's never ending to it. But we should not let these 'ironies' prevent or discourage a person from exercising his/her right to seek legal redress. That's what the legal system is for. No one can be perfectly 'clean' if he is scrutinized and measured against the law day and night. But that does not mean he has no entitlement to use the legal system to protect his rights. Let's not implicate other issues into this case.

 

[AReality]

Everyone else, Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.

 

[Minoxman]

Life itself is full of ironies. There's never ending to it. But we should not let these 'ironies' prevent or discourage a person from exercising his/her right to seek legal redress. That's what the legal system is for. No one can be perfectly 'clean' if he is scrutinized and measured against the law day and night. But that does not mean he has no entitlement to use the legal system to protect his rights. Let's not implicate other issues into this case.

OT--(has it ever not been?)
Life is not full of ironies. You just have to choose the right path. Has a currently active serial rapist got the right to sue another rapist who raped one of his family members? Sure he has.
What right is he trying to protect?

Nothing to do with duhville, who I think should go on and sue tomorrow.

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

OT--(has it ever not been?)
Life is not full of ironies. You just have to choose the right path. Has a currently active serial rapist got the right to sue another rapist who raped one of his family members? Sure he has.
What right is he trying to protect?

Nothing to do with duhville, who I think should go on and sue tomorrow.

think after your 'entrance' we have OT til dunno where....

anyway... i think u got a problem of mixing everything together, y not make it simpler by separating different incidents? if a active serial rapist raped alot of girls, den the girls raped by him should bring him to trial... like wise if 1 of his family members is raped... the person should bring the one who raped her to court... its personal rights... not becos the family member is a rapist den deprive her of the rights to sue...

also for the piracy part... u mean u have all the original software or u have all pirated software? if u are depriving yourself of the rights, so be it, others have the rights to get his copyright of the photo irregardless of whether anybody uses any pirated software... y u keep having to bring all this in... u think we should all take pics of our own software to show u? if u ain't saint.. if u are devil... not my problem... just get a life... unless u really wanna explain your idealogy or concept... i think u start another thread to let us know instead of just giving us a misleading answer.

 

[Minoxman]

Areality was right.

 

[StreetShooter]

Nice picture. I was looking for the "Backstabber" one few months ago. No luck.

There we go:

http://www.offstone.com/photo/showpost.php?p=73437&postcount=9

 

[ordinaryless]

Everyone else, Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.

From the past posts, he seems to have argued with many Clubsnappers and contributed nothing but sacastic remarks.

If we can't stop him from posting, i guess we jus have to ignore his posts.

 

[StreetShooter]

I could "backstab" again but I won't.

Suffice to say in about 7 months he'll hopefully be a lot mellower.

 

[vince123123]

The person who asserts the position has the burden of proof of showing that the position exists.

cheers

Prove me wrong.

 

[togu]

sheetshooter, we are in the same camp. CAB. i saw your flight zone sticker

Dum Dee Dum!! I'm in CAB too, FDS-CAB, A1 Flight!

 

[Minoxman]

I could "backstab" again but I won't.

QUOTE]
Don't count yourself out so soon.. You are capable of much more.

 

[Minoxman]

The person who asserts the position has the burden of proof of showing that the position exists.

cheers

In the courts, yes.
Here, we all know the answer to that.

 

[2100]

Dum Dee Dum!! I'm in CAB too, FDS-CAB, A1 Flight!

Hey, i am in FDS too! But Sembawang airbase. 2 more high and 2 more low left to go.

 

[vince123123]

should the answer be any different?

In the courts, yes.
Here, we all know the answer to that.

 

[hazmee]

A picture taken on a camera (analogue or digital) is a picture taken on a camera. A software is a software. When it comes to law and copyrights, these two don't mix. My point is, you own your work. And whatever software you use is your own problem. There's a clear line between these two things.

If someone 'stole' your pic, first thing you should do is call that dude up who used your pic or at least try to get a reply from them. A friendly call surely wont bite and probably could make your day. Try to come up with a deal, who knows they might be needing more. Do make constructive ideas and comments on how you should be protecting your work. If they still won't pay or ignore, write a formal letter to the editor. It might take a while but they won't ignore you.

I dont see the point in bringing up using pirated softwares or using original when it comes to protecting your OWN intellectual property in this issue. In fact the original softwares that you buy is 'technically speaking' NOT YOURS. Its licensed. So why brag about it? A picture that you took using your camera is yours and you can do whatever you want with it. See the difference.

 

[Wolfgang]

I bet half the people who respond here use pirated software anyway. Illegal you saying? What righteousness.

Yes, you are right.

So it's ok to for people here to infringe copyright issues, but not ok when the BH guy did the same. How cool.

If Duhville is still keen, just engage a lawyer to fight the case.

It's just that the irony is so thick here it's choking.
(pot calling kettle black etc)

Absolutely.

SO I ask again, How many of you who supported Duhville here against BH uses packaged licensed original issues of MICROSOFT OFFICE 2000 OR PHOTOSHOP 5-7 NOW? I am making a calculated assumption here. So far only 1 person had shown me a "licensed" package although it was only on screen evidence.

So if I was right about my assumption, many of you supporting duhville would have been breaking the law they so vehemently(sp?) try to uphold. Ironic?
If my assumption is wrong, accept my apologies and your honesty and integrity will be much rewarded in due time and you can go on supporting all copyright/rights of use issues etc all you want.
Prove me wrong.

Well done. Bulls eye. You've nailed it straight on once again.

I'm impressed. Tell you what, allow me to invite you, here, publicly, to have a drink. You've obviously the brains to argue, provide interesting discourse on topics and on top of that, I would actually like to pick your brain on certain issues.

I extend this genuine invitation to you alone.

What say you?

 

[Wolfgang]

To everyone else who have contributed to this thread and shared you POVs, thank you. I am sure "Duhville" has already read through all the posting and that being said, the thread has served it's function.

It is already going off topic and I would discourage anyone else from dragging this thread any further away from it's intended course.

Thank you.

 

[yowch]

Let's say I stole a pen, drew a picture and the picture turned out to be a 'masterpiece'. Now someone bought the picture from me for $1million, and the pen owner sues me, what will the pen owner get? Probably a short jail term on my part and maybe $5,000. But I'll still be a millionaire, because my creative work is mine, and the stolen pen is another issue.

Now, duhville is not even asking for money, just acknowledgement, how bad can that be? And does it matter that duhville might have even stolen a camera to take the picture? What's all this about pirated software, etc etc...

Duhville, please keep us informed of the outcome so that as a community, we will know how we can approach the big players when they 'shortchange' us. I find that the letter you wrote is most pleasant can certainly deserves a reply, whether positive or not. All the best for us amatuers and professionals.

 

[Minoxman]

Let's say I stole a pen, drew a picture and the picture turned out to be a 'masterpiece'. Now someone bought the picture from me for $1million, and the pen owner sues me, what will the pen owner get? Probably a short jail term on my part and maybe $5,000. But I'll still be a millionaire, because my creative work is mine, and the stolen pen is another issue.

Now, duhville is not even asking for money, just acknowledgement, how bad can that be? And does it matter that duhville might have even stolen a camera to take the picture? What's all this about pirated software, etc etc...

Duhville, please keep us informed of the outcome so that as a community, we will know how we can approach the big players when they 'shortchange' us. I find that the letter you wrote is most pleasant can certainly deserves a reply, whether positive or not. All the best for us amatuers and professionals.

If you would rather support one who stole a camera to take a picture that was later stolen, to pursue his/her rights to the use of that picture, that should explain our present social decadence. What else is there to talk about?(Obviously not referring to duhville, who obviously is talking to his lawyer now).

If you can't lead by example, don't try to lead. You can tell your kids to stop smoking but what good a father are you if you puff as you lecture him? The law may protect you, but your morals don't lie. Another pirated VCD anyone?

Wolfgang, sure, coffee on me. Wait for your PM.

 

[rainman]

hi guys ...

maybe the use of the word "stolen" is kinda strong but i feel its that way..

what happen was that i was at an acappella competition the other day and i took pictures .. i was testing out stage photography that i was lousy at but that aside.. a reporter interview the second prize winners and wanted to do an article bout them .. and when he ask for a photo of them in the competition the group ask from me the pic to pass to this reporter .. so i gave him the photos and my name .. but later to find out that in the article he printed "story and photos by himself" ... well some ppl may think it is no big deal but i am an amature photographer and for a photo of mine to be in the papers it IS and big deal for me - something to have a big smile about the whole week ..

so what should u think i do now or what would u do if u were me .. ?

thanks for ur opinions

ps. i didnt sign any release form ..

Then u should ask urself do u expect anything from them when they asked for ur photos?

Guess To them or the reporter is u gave to him out of good will and he already said thank u to u.. So U r the willing party.

Do u think He should put ur name below the picture or u expecting something like this "coutesy from blah blah blah"...

If u r not happy with this matter, just write in and ask for a compensation or wat loh..see what they can do abt this.

Dun flame me just that I thought It might be just a misunderstanding only....