Just Bree

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Important thing is bring your strobe there to achieve better lighting ..

u meant there wasn't a strobe there? wah then this shoot really solid... i mean those shooters... i can't shoot without 1...

 

[KNIGHT ONG]

u meant there wasn't a strobe there? wah then this shoot really solid... i mean those shooters... i can't shoot without 1...

maybe have .. but cant see any images that clearly display the use of strobe leh .. :dunno:

guess they are using avilable light .. :bsmilie:

 

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maybe have .. but cant see any images that clearly display the use of strobe leh .. :dunno:

guess they are using avilable light .. :bsmilie:

sekali use light painting... :thumbsup:

 

[Pro Image]

Hot breasts on a saturday afternoon ... :devil:

Wei, people here helping some newbie out here you go breast mass thingy. Go and RATATATATATATA.....lar.

Come come contribute in here so members will learn.:thumbsup:

 

[Pro Image]

what kind of homework before such shoot ?

Homework? Well plenty.....plenty. Most of them already mentioned some of it.

When you go to any place to shoot, especially when you go for model shoot ask the organiser where is the actual location. If you have time go look at the place. If it's in a hotel room, then visit their website. (Some how you will get an idea from there)

Let just say a hotel room, which I am pretty sure you have stayed one before that most of them have quite standard setting. If you need to view the room, just go down to any hotel to ask them. Of course we do not need to tell them we are going to use it for photoshoot. Just maybe let them know you have some overseas friends who is coming to Singapore and you want to make sure the room is good enough.

So after viewing the room, next thing you need to think of is poses. Yes this is a group shot thingy and you don't have much time. So why do you need so much time. Just make sure you get 10 high quality shots than 100 bad ones. So think about it.

I think you get my point from here. This are some of the things I usually do as a professional photographer. Yes you all are not but what stopping you all from thinking like one? I have met some of my ex-student who does more work than me when I was a amatuer.

 

[Pro Image]

Pro here is a good teacher... and by preparations i guess he meant go get those props you would like your model to have, and maybe even down to the color of the lipsticks and such, u nego with the makeup artist about the type of look you want. Then u should not go into those shutter frenzy, but plan each shot, u might even think of the shots you want before going for the shoot, then when you are there, just try to achieve that look. (of course kinda hard when u only meet the model for the 1st time & dunno the location, sometimes dunno the theme)

anyway i am lazy guy lah, the most hardworking time was during his teaching, i went to look for plates and other props for the still life course... if he was to prepare everything for me, i guess i'd just go like as per normal, then leave as per normal... so if i got a client, i go there empty handed, then expect my client to prepare things for me... so in another way, you guys should bring some props down as well, then use the props to make your shoot more fulfilling...

(anyway from a newbie blabbering and know nothing about model shooting... hehe)

You newbie? Ok this is one newbie who does still life very well. Why? Simple. He does what was instructed and beyond. He took one step further to achieve what HE WANTS. Not me.

 

[Pro Image]

well i didn't wanna say it out but pro image is right.. alot of pple are "distracted" by her assets.

of course by saying that i'm spraying everyone with a machine gun, even those that truly think the images are good are not spared. but i'm sure those that fall under the "distracted by bree's beauty" catogory won't readily admit it either.

for the record, i'm a male too, and can see wat u see. but get past that and talk about photography. definitely, a good model makes an image look better, there's no doubt, but since she's so good, u owe it to urself, and her, to make the best out of it. there's no point having a good model "make up" for poor photography..

all that said, the photos here aren't POOR, but there are points that pro image and i have mentioned which is pretty obvious and no one seems to be picking them up...

as for a "portfolio versus portfolio" thing, u have every right to comment on the images by pro image or even myself, but it does not mean that the "lesser" the photographer, the "lesser" his opinions on other photographs not taken by him. plenty of non-photographers out there (stylists, make up artists, wardrobe assistants in particular) have such a great eye, but throw them a camera and they are gone. they can see, but can't shoot. so how? disregard their comments? i think not. i love stylists, they really can see what i can't and it makes for an image that is a combined effort. yet, they have no photography background (technically anyway).

the point basically is, while photography is very subjective, i felt that some of the images in this thread have been put on the pedestal for the wrong reasons. in no way am i saying these images are BAD. it's just the over-rated light (pun not intended!) that they are put in, and why? becos of a good looking model, i'd say.

Good take.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[zha]

wat does a pose have to do with a snap shot?

a pose is the way the model is physically portrayed. a snap shot is shooting without thinking.

the model can be posing in a PERFECT way, but if the photograph is "snap shot-ed" u will see a distracting background, sofa in the way, hair all over the place, clothes crumpled,body parts cropped at odd places, etc etc, basically cut long story short, the photographer didn't put in much effort to ensure his shot is "correct". either that or just being careless and not paying attention to detail.

unless u tell me u like distracting back/fore grounds and all that i mentioned above, and that's what u intend to do, then yes, it's not a snap shot, it's a well-planned and executed shot for your purposes.

sir, you're beginning to sound like one other colourful character on CS, no? :bsmilie::sweatsm:


Thanks folks for sharing all these pointers regarding model shoots. Certainly very insightful.

 

[astroboy]

I think some of u guys are doing the threadstarter a disservice by your buddy-buddy chattering non-stop. Go chat elsewhere.

And the model herself is following this thread. So be "sensitive" in your references to certain parts of the anatomy. Respect the model. Respect yourself.

 

[Pro Image]

I think some of u guys are doing the threadstarter a disservice by your buddy-buddy chattering non-stop. Go chat elsewhere.

And the model herself is following this thread. So be "sensitive" in your references to certain parts of the anatomy. Respect the model. Respect yourself.

Occasionally, there is always some minor chats here and there which is normal.

The threadstarter has benefited more in this thread than any other threads. If the threadstarter is not happy, he can PM us directly.

We do hope to see you contributing some effort for the threadstarter.

 

[chiawk]

Hi Guys,
Minor chat is ok and comment about the photo but not talking about model's asset. It's not respect to the model. Hope that it stops here. Thanks.
Regards,

 

[jOhO]

and u are...?

anyway why so anal about the model's breasts? would it be different if we were talking about her lovely fingers, or feet???

please lar, as far as i can see, yes, there's OT (please go and "moderate" ALL the other threads too), but no, there's no derogatory remarks.

and bring your "moderator" tone elsewhere, especially when u haven't contributed much in this thread. actually i just checked.. wow, this is your first post in this thread!

i am actually upset that after giving heartfelt and sincere comments, pple still want to harp on those minor anal and inconsequential things like this. who's the real OT-er? address the real issue, and if you missed my long-winded posts this is the issue i raised:

(Some) people in this thread (photographers of the images may be included too) have been distracted by Bree's breasts in this thread and hence not been able to be objective in their review/critique of the PHOTOGRAPHY.

yes it's about breasts, no it's not degrading. i have the utmost respect for bree, and look forward to working with her should there be a need/chance/occasion.

 

[hwchoy]

I want to thank Joho an Pro Image for all the pointers. Even though I have not been to a model shoot, I feel I already have a mental map of what I need to do and what I need to look out for.

I already learned a few things from Dead Poet (messy hair, fat arms, pointed feet), and now a few more from ProI and Joho. For those who think they are just criticising for the fun of it, not listening critically and picking up good comments (whether from pro or not) is your own loss.

thanx to all, the photogs and the critique. one of the most useful thread in this section

 

[jOhO]

The 1st photo was actually a candid shot, it was not my turn to shoot, some how I just find that maybe that angle would give a nice photo, so just rush over to the sofa besides her, compose and shoot, I guess I did a bad job by rushing.

As for the 3rd photo, I personally find that strand of hair is quite natural, making the imperfect perfect.... at least I like it....

i'm sorry i missed this post amidst all the discussions! ehhe ;p

hope u don't mind me being brutally honest, but ur excuse for the first image is weak. it doesn't matter (to me anyway) that this was shot candid or under undesirable conditions. to me when i see the image, i dun look at the text written (if any) b4 i pass my comments on it, and the comments usually don't change after i read the text (which u mentioned it's not ur turn etc...)

in other words, if i were the one shooting out of turn, candidly (we shouldn't really be doing that in these kind of shoots anyway, i regularly get "interrupted" by other photographers in such shoots and it's unconcerting, but i usually just let it go), i would have no choice but to bin the shot. and if i see a potential shot like this, i would wait my turn and pose her properly, remove that couch, watever it takes within my means and try again. u might have an idea how tough it can be to try incessantly to get a shot, and feel that sense of satisfaction when u finally get it right! if you have no idea what i'm talking about, then you're not putting enough effort. the more effort you put, the better the images, the higher the satisfaction. of course, it's not that if you don't put effort images will always be bad, i am saying this just in case some readers here have this "converse must always be true" kind of mentality.

as for the third photo, i would say well done if you like it just the way it is (hair and pose), doesn't matter if i don't. but man, i still say her pose is not only uncomfortable, but her expression looks like it too! but cool man, we can disagree on this not a problem at all.

btw, in all the "bad" comments, i still say your processing is beautiful. and the lighting seems really pleasing too, i don't think it's natural light right (as in u guys used strobes)? anyway i won't comment on lighting cos my (strobe) lighting knowledge isn't great, something i feel i'm pretty weak at.

 

[jOhO]

I want to thank Joho an Pro Image for all the pointers. Even though I have not been to a model shoot, I feel I already have a mental map of what I need to do and what I need to look out for.

I already learned a few things from Dead Poet (messy hair, fat arms, pointed feet), and now a few more from ProI and Joho. For those who think they are just criticising for the fun of it, not listening critically and picking up good comments (whether from pro or not) is your own loss.

thanx to all, the photogs and the critique. one of the most useful thread in this section

glad you appreciate us, mostly i dun go that in depth, dunno why i "kee hong" in this thread. ehheeh

OT:

u know ar, sometimes when being too honest, i get "scrutinised" by other pple, so next time i post a portrait shoot (i'm going for one tomorrow, or later today...), i'm gonna be expecting some flak.. ahah but it's cool, if pple can critique me honestly and they make sense, i'll accept it graciously. gotta be both ways... i also need to learn lor!

 

[sk.images]

There is now at least 3 sets of images from different photographers in this thread. Who is critiquing whos images. It's all become confused and messy.

My 2 cents....

Sweeann, your images are really neither here nor there. The colours are good, but the composition and cropping is poor.

r47z, your images are all more or less the same with only slight variations. You should pick the best and only post that.

D70sshooter, your images are the example (in this thread) of what the others should be aiming for, not perfect but far better then the others.

All of the b&w images posted by all three are too dark and flat for my liking.

 

[Pro Image]

I want to thank Joho an Pro Image for all the pointers. Even though I have not been to a model shoot, I feel I already have a mental map of what I need to do and what I need to look out for.

I already learned a few things from Dead Poet (messy hair, fat arms, pointed feet), and now a few more from ProI and Joho. For those who think they are just criticising for the fun of it, not listening critically and picking up good comments (whether from pro or not) is your own loss.

thanx to all, the photogs and the critique. one of the most useful thread in this section

Uncle,

I am glad you learn some pointers here and there.

For the rest that posted their comments:

Actually in all aspects of photography (including shooting fish in the aquarium......hahahaha) we should do some minor research on every shoot and be prepared for it. As mentioned earlier, yes we are professional and we do this for a living. Most of you are hobbyist in here and just do for the fun of it but what stopping you all from practising it. You will see your own quality going up instead of remain the same for the next 5 years.

After all, in photography if we get it first time right we can take another step forward move on to the next one. Don't some of you feel after 3 hours of shooting with a model you felt great that you achieve something. But when you actually sit down and observe the photos again that you shoot at your home computer you found you only had a few good ones out of 300 shots.

This is a MAIN problem with DSLR nowadays(can shoot as much as the card can hold) but if I were to give each one of you a 256MB CF card and request to shoot on RAW (based on 6MP camera), I think most of you will produce better results on a 256MB rather than a 2GB-4GB CF cards.

Occasionally there are hobbyist may take this as a career. So we can't be just saying "Wah very beautiful model", "The model looks great" and so on. Some can admire and free to comment on what they want. It's a public forum and none of us are stopping those comments. In fact we are just suggesting and helping those who have not done model shoot before to be more prepared.

As Joho mentioned, normally we do not go in depth about it. It's not because of the model's assets we go in depth, mind you. It's because this photographer has some potential (first timer) to shoot better photos. So one reason for me to go a little more about it.

This is slightly OT but if you read on the thread.....you will know what I meant.

Check out this thread. No one commented about the quality of the photos until I commented. Post no.89. (WARNING: Images are intensive.) This was again to let the most of the organisers in CS and not in CS know about what they can improve when they do organise future model photoshoot for our members in here. Earning money is not so simple. Not just engage a model and gather some photographers and shoot. It's more than just doing that.

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=206792

 

[Pro Image]

There is now at least 3 sets of images from different photographers in this thread. Who is critiquing whos images. It's all become confused and messy.

My 2 cents....

Sweeann, your images are really neither here nor there. The colours are good, but the composition and cropping is poor.

r47z, your images are all more or less the same with only slight variations. You should pick the best and only post that.

D70sshooter, your images are the example (in this thread) of what the others should be aiming for, not perfect but far better then the others.

All of the b&w images posted by all three are too dark and flat for my liking.

I think all of them have some similiar problems.

 

[student]

My kudos to Pro Image and jOhO for really taking time to give their thoughts and comments on these images.

As elsewhere, threads tend to take a life of their own, and sometimes assume a larger life than what the TS intended.

But such discussions are valuable not only to the images posted, but to also photography as a whole.

While not every point needs to be agreed to, they should be considered in a serious manner.

Then use your own sense of esthetics and decide how you wish to make your own images.

 

[D70sshooter]

Thanks for all the constructive criticism. Really appreciated.
We all are first timer and mistake by us are plenty and we do notice some after we do the processing.
Main purpose of posting here is to learn and improve, and i believe that after reading all the comments here we will be able to improve more.
And really sorry for the confusion of all three photographer posting in one thread. :sweatsm:
Next time if have chance to go Singapore again i hope to be able to join you all for shoot.
For information, all of us are from KL. We travel down to SG for some shoot and shopping.
So if you guys happen to be in KL or want to do some shoot in KLfor a change, do inform us and will be gladly to help out.
Thanks again for all the comments and criticism. :thumbsup: