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r47z said:
Thanks wucy24. I've got another personal favorite.
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Try not to just post for the sake of posting. Do your selections carefully bro.

I understand you're still learning, and we too, but I think this pic shouldn't be your personal favourite. Here's why:

1. The lamp is sticking out of her left ear! The reflection from the lamp is super distracting.
2. Her left shoulder is cropped off. Show it off, she's got nice shoulders!
3. Her hair is all over her forehead. Try to PS it off.
4. Flatten the sheets in front of her. it's blocking her right eye.
5. Her assets steal too much of attention. Try using her hand to cover it up. I'm not sure you're trying to capture her assets or the mood in her eyes. I tend to think of the latter. If that's the case, make use of her hand!

I'm sure your previous pics are much better. Choose the best and stick to it.
 

Virgo said:
Try not to just post for the sake of posting. Do your selections carefully bro.

I understand you're still learning, and we too, but I think this pic shouldn't be your personal favourite. Here's why:

1. The lamp is sticking out of her left ear! The reflection from the lamp is super distracting.
2. Her left shoulder is cropped off. Show it off, she's got nice shoulders!
3. Her hair is all over her forehead. Try to PS it off.
4. Flatten the sheets in front of her. it's blocking her right eye.
5. Her assets steal too much of attention. Try using her hand to cover it up. I'm not sure you're trying to capture her assets or the mood in her eyes. I tend to think of the latter. If that's the case, make use of her hand!

I'm sure your previous pics are much better. Choose the best and stick to it.

wow so many pointers, but there is no such perfect pic. What appealing to the eye seems close to perfect. I too like this pic for what it is :thumbsup:
 

rx_nick said:
wow so many pointers, but there is no such perfect pic. What appealing to the eye seems close to perfect. I too like this pic for what it is :thumbsup:
To each his own bro. If a newbie like me can point these out, then it's not really a good pic, at least to me lah...you may think otherwise of course.
 

Virgo said:
To each his own bro. If a newbie like me can point these out, then it's not really a good pic, at least to me lah...you may think otherwise of course.

That depends on what type of images they are looking for .. :bsmilie:

I agreed on you 1,2 3 .. but 4 and 5 may seem otherwise ... :think:
 

KNIGHT ONG said:
That depends on what type of images they are looking for .. :bsmilie:

I agreed on you 1,2 3 .. but 4 and 5 may seem otherwise ... :think:
Sure of course bro. Thanks.

I comment on what I see lah...:)
 

Virgo said:
Sure of course bro. Thanks.

I comment on what I see lah...:)

if you ask me .. most images failed my composition .. :sweatsm: :sweat:
 

KNIGHT ONG said:
if you ask me .. most images failed my composition .. :sweatsm: :sweat:
Your words 一针见血. :thumbsup:

I still newbie...:bsmilie:
 

KNIGHT ONG said:
if you ask me .. most images failed my composition .. :sweatsm: :sweat:

wah standard super high sia... i dun think i can even shoot 1/10000th as good...
 

astroboy said:
Thank u for your PM. I think mebbe i reply u here for the benefits for the others.

Firstly I can't find any of your sample photos that u hold up as examples of what a good lingerie shot is all about.

It's always very easy to pass comments on other's photos, say this and that abt other's photos thinking that one can always do better. A very natural human response. But when YOU actually do it, YOU might even make more mistakes and others can also easily find faults with YOUR photos as well.

But i shall give u the benefit of the doubt and take it as u r sincere in giving your comments. So I shall look forward to seeing some of YOUR great photos someday when u finally have them and hopefully i wun think of u as being an armchair critic after that.

Meanwhile, for the folks here, I would say it's a very admirable effort given it's their first time and this is not a full-scale commercial shoot.

Yes admirable effort for first timer. Case closed. Let's move on.

Yes comment anyone can give but whether it's constructive is another. You have to know what you comment on and give pointers here and there to improve. The reason for me commenting is only Joho has given valuable comments. Apart from him, the rest is just admiring her assets which does not help the original poster.

You have to bold to comment on the photos. Not just about compositions, colours, small little nitpicks like hands not right, or hair messy. Even after all this, if the photos does not look appealing, all this small problem does not really matter that much. Until you know how to get the right feel about shooting human subject and get it right, small little nitpicks does not seem so obvious, right?

I do have other shots posted in other threads but not the lingerie ones as my clients do not give me full permission to post it online. The only way is through my laptop which I show it only to my potential clients.

At the end of the day, what I am trying to establish here is able to shoot human which will look and feel more lively, no matter what they wear.

I have shot lingerie before and from what I can remember, I made very little mistakes. First I have made it clear in my first post, you need preparation. Not just go and shoot. So I always will do my homework first before the actual shoot.

I do not really go for paid shoots unless my friends ask me to go for one. Normally is the models/clients pay me to shoot them.

Human all do mistakes but experience ones make lesser.

And no, I am not an armchair critic for the benefit of your doubt.

And no, one do not need to display works to prove they are good critics. Great portfolio does not prove anything.
 

well i didn't wanna say it out but pro image is right.. alot of pple are "distracted" by her assets.

of course by saying that i'm spraying everyone with a machine gun, even those that truly think the images are good are not spared. but i'm sure those that fall under the "distracted by bree's beauty" catogory won't readily admit it either.

for the record, i'm a male too, and can see wat u see. but get past that and talk about photography. definitely, a good model makes an image look better, there's no doubt, but since she's so good, u owe it to urself, and her, to make the best out of it. there's no point having a good model "make up" for poor photography..

all that said, the photos here aren't POOR, but there are points that pro image and i have mentioned which is pretty obvious and no one seems to be picking them up...

as for a "portfolio versus portfolio" thing, u have every right to comment on the images by pro image or even myself, but it does not mean that the "lesser" the photographer, the "lesser" his opinions on other photographs not taken by him. plenty of non-photographers out there (stylists, make up artists, wardrobe assistants in particular) have such a great eye, but throw them a camera and they are gone. they can see, but can't shoot. so how? disregard their comments? i think not. i love stylists, they really can see what i can't and it makes for an image that is a combined effort. yet, they have no photography background (technically anyway).

the point basically is, while photography is very subjective, i felt that some of the images in this thread have been put on the pedestal for the wrong reasons. in no way am i saying these images are BAD. it's just the over-rated light (pun not intended!) that they are put in, and why? becos of a good looking model, i'd say.
 

oh and i'd like to add, the reason why i am able to see past her "beauty" and focus on the photography is becos i regularly critique work on overseas websites which have images far more "hot" then these, and of course, sorry for being crude, i've seen and shot enuff breasts to last me this lifetime.

do apologise if i've offended anyone, i just didn't want to mince my words.
 

jOhO said:
oh and i'd like to add, the reason why i am able to see past her "beauty" and focus on the photography is becos i regularly critique work on overseas websites which have images far more "hot" then these, and of course, sorry for being crude, i've seen and shot enuff breasts to last me this lifetime.

do apologise if i've offended anyone, i just didn't want to mince my words.

Hot breasts on a saturday afternoon ... :devil:
 

KNIGHT ONG said:
Hot breasts on a saturday afternoon ... :devil:
no lar.. they are usually cooler at around 35 deg.... ;p ;p

eh.. u very free ar! go and do ur work! :sticktong
 

the pose still consider snapshots?
wonder what is a good pose then?
 

jOhO said:
no lar.. they are usually cooler at around 35 deg.... ;p ;p

eh.. u very free ar! go and do ur work! :sticktong

:kok: tmr u will be surprised .. :sticktong
 

Pro Image said:
Not just go and shoot. So I always will do my homework first before the actual shoot.

what kind of homework before such shoot ?
 

simon80 said:
the pose still consider snapshots?
wonder what is a good pose then?
wat does a pose have to do with a snap shot?

a pose is the way the model is physically portrayed. a snap shot is shooting without thinking.

the model can be posing in a PERFECT way, but if the photograph is "snap shot-ed" u will see a distracting background, sofa in the way, hair all over the place, clothes crumpled,body parts cropped at odd places, etc etc, basically cut long story short, the photographer didn't put in much effort to ensure his shot is "correct". either that or just being careless and not paying attention to detail.

unless u tell me u like distracting back/fore grounds and all that i mentioned above, and that's what u intend to do, then yes, it's not a snap shot, it's a well-planned and executed shot for your purposes.
 

simon80 said:
what kind of homework before such shoot ?

Pro here is a good teacher... and by preparations i guess he meant go get those props you would like your model to have, and maybe even down to the color of the lipsticks and such, u nego with the makeup artist about the type of look you want. Then u should not go into those shutter frenzy, but plan each shot, u might even think of the shots you want before going for the shoot, then when you are there, just try to achieve that look. (of course kinda hard when u only meet the model for the 1st time & dunno the location, sometimes dunno the theme)

anyway i am lazy guy lah, the most hardworking time was during his teaching, i went to look for plates and other props for the still life course... if he was to prepare everything for me, i guess i'd just go like as per normal, then leave as per normal... so if i got a client, i go there empty handed, then expect my client to prepare things for me... so in another way, you guys should bring some props down as well, then use the props to make your shoot more fulfilling...

(anyway from a newbie blabbering and know nothing about model shooting... hehe)
 

Del_CtrlnoAlt said:
Pro here is a good teacher... and by preparations i guess he meant go get those props you would like your model to have, and maybe even down to the color of the lipsticks and such, u nego with the makeup artist about the type of look you want. Then u should not go into those shutter frenzy, but plan each shot, u might even think of the shots you want before going for the shoot, then when you are there, just try to achieve that look. (of course kinda hard when u only meet the model for the 1st time & dunno the location, sometimes dunno the theme)

anyway i am lazy guy lah, the most hardworking time was during his teaching, i went to look for plates and other props for the still life course... if he was to prepare everything for me, i guess i'd just go like as per normal, then leave as per normal... so if i got a client, i go there empty handed, then expect my client to prepare things for me... so in another way, you guys should bring some props down as well, then use the props to make your shoot more fulfilling...

(anyway from a newbie blabbering and know nothing about model shooting... hehe)
ur "blab" makes perfect sense! :thumbsup:
 

Important thing is bring your strobe there to achieve better lighting .. :D
 

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