It's Official - D300, D3 and Lenses etc
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gooseberry
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Not sure if it's already been posted, some comments from Imaging Resource after attending the launch
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1187901361.html
The D3's high ISO is really impressive I'll remain at least somewhat skeptical until we can get a D3 back in the lab and test it under controlled conditions, but Nikon showed some incredibly impressive prints at the event. They had enlargements that must have been 30x45 inches or more in size, comparing identical shots taken with the D3 and Canon EOS-1D Mark III at ISO 3,200 and 6,400.
After the disappointment of the D2H, I have to say I was taking Nikon's claims of low noise at high ISOs with a rather large grain of salt. When I saw the aforementioned prints though, I was literally flabbergasted. The D3 didn't just surpass the 1D Mark III, it far surpassed it. Well, that may be a little strong; the Mark III is a fantastic camera, but the difference between its images and those from the D3 was anything but subtle. As I say, I'll remain a skeptic until we can test a production sample of the D3 ourselves, but if the images shown had any basis in reality (and Nikon would be foolish to have doctored them in any way), it looks like there's a new leader in the high-ISO / low-noise derby, and it's the D3.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1187901361.html
The D3's high ISO is really impressive I'll remain at least somewhat skeptical until we can get a D3 back in the lab and test it under controlled conditions, but Nikon showed some incredibly impressive prints at the event. They had enlargements that must have been 30x45 inches or more in size, comparing identical shots taken with the D3 and Canon EOS-1D Mark III at ISO 3,200 and 6,400.
After the disappointment of the D2H, I have to say I was taking Nikon's claims of low noise at high ISOs with a rather large grain of salt. When I saw the aforementioned prints though, I was literally flabbergasted. The D3 didn't just surpass the 1D Mark III, it far surpassed it. Well, that may be a little strong; the Mark III is a fantastic camera, but the difference between its images and those from the D3 was anything but subtle. As I say, I'll remain a skeptic until we can test a production sample of the D3 ourselves, but if the images shown had any basis in reality (and Nikon would be foolish to have doctored them in any way), it looks like there's a new leader in the high-ISO / low-noise derby, and it's the D3.
CYRN
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yes, it a feature Canon will not have due to the physical design of their ef-s. I must say, sticking to being f-mount compatible really does have it's advantage.
ortega
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not much info just mentioned, a broader dynamic range
Scaglietti
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From: http://e-photographia.smugmug.com/gallery/3354617#187077454-O-LB
If this slide is accurate, the ISO 6400 and 25600 looks good. Nikon's strength at hi ISO has been retaining the colour consistency albeit higher noise. If the noise is under control this time, it'll be terrific.
BC
If this slide is accurate, the ISO 6400 and 25600 looks good. Nikon's strength at hi ISO has been retaining the colour consistency albeit higher noise. If the noise is under control this time, it'll be terrific.
BC
ortega
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Rob Galbraith said:
also from here
http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-8742-9083
ortega
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From: http://e-photographia.smugmug.com/gallery/3354617#187077454-O-LB
If this slide is accurate, the ISO 6400 and 25600 looks good. Nikon's strength at hi ISO has been retaining the colour consistency albeit higher noise. If the noise is under control this time, it'll be terrific.
BC
note the wording used "effectively elimated"
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Scaglietti
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Haha... Other manufacturers' APS-H... I wonder who :think:...
BC;p
longkangman
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Tea break time.... 
That answer your DR question.
That answer your DR question.
CYRN
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yeah, it begs to question what's the other manufacturer in the ISO comparision slide. Cannot be 5D right? it's the only other 12MP FF currently, unless they are refering to the original 1Ds. :think:
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ortega
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also from the above link
Lateral CA correction
Apart from the D3's high-ISO capabilities, I think one of the most significant developments in the D3 and D300 is their ability to correct for lateral chromatic aberration in-camera. What's particularly noteworthy here is that the correction happens entirely in-camera (for JPEGs, the same process can be applied to RAW files in the Capture NX software), without any need for pre-analysis of the lens characteristics. This means the improvement in image quality will apply to all your lenses, not just your Nikon glass, and not just recent lenses with a CPU in them, etc.
(Note that Nikon says the CA correction will "work best with Nikon lenses" and that they "can't be responsible for it working with third-party lenses," but that strikes me as a bit of marketing speak, as well as a bit of CYA, to prevent people from complaining to Nikon that the D3 or D300 don't make their Tamron lenses look better.)
This is really a first in digital cameras, and is a feature I expect to see mirrored by other companies, as their technology catches up to Nikon's. It's an obvious use of the computer built into the camera, it "just" requires a very fast image processor, and the cleverness to work out the algorithms. Expect to see this feature spread across the industry in the years to come.
There's a very interesting side note here too: During the technical Q&A, a Nikon exec alluded to improvements in sharpness, as well as in CA. I doubt the Expeed image processor is quite clever enough to apply what's known as a blind deconvolution to the image data to come up with an optimal sharpness enhancement, but it's likely that the CA information it extracts and corrects for will also improve sharpness quite noticeabl as well. Believe me, we can't wait to get our hands on one of these units and run some before / after tests with DxO analyzer to see how the blur plots compare.
gooseberry
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Yeah, and also from the same place regarding the 14-24 lens
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What particularly caught my attention was that the 14-24mm f/2.8 was very overtly compared to prime lenses. A Nikon exec said that it has better optical quality than any prime Nikon makes that falls within its range. (!) That's a claim we'll definitely want to check out, but it continues a general trend in recent years of high-quality zooms getting closer and closer to the performance of primes. (Of course, you have to expect that the same lens design prowess will be applied to primes as well at some point, but for now it looks like the gap is closing in ways useful to photographers.)
DX lenses aren't going away! This came in answer to a question during the technical Q&A session. A journalist inquired about the fate of DX lenses, now that Nikon has its toe in the full-frame arena. The reply (referring back to the slide above from the main presentation) was that Nikon feels that both DX and FX products make sense for different groups of users, and so will continue to very aggressivel develop products in both realms. They very explicitly said that new DX lenses continue (and will continue) to be under development. DX and FX cameras and lenses will continue to complement each other "for a very long time."
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What particularly caught my attention was that the 14-24mm f/2.8 was very overtly compared to prime lenses. A Nikon exec said that it has better optical quality than any prime Nikon makes that falls within its range. (!) That's a claim we'll definitely want to check out, but it continues a general trend in recent years of high-quality zooms getting closer and closer to the performance of primes. (Of course, you have to expect that the same lens design prowess will be applied to primes as well at some point, but for now it looks like the gap is closing in ways useful to photographers.)
DX lenses aren't going away! This came in answer to a question during the technical Q&A session. A journalist inquired about the fate of DX lenses, now that Nikon has its toe in the full-frame arena. The reply (referring back to the slide above from the main presentation) was that Nikon feels that both DX and FX products make sense for different groups of users, and so will continue to very aggressivel develop products in both realms. They very explicitly said that new DX lenses continue (and will continue) to be under development. DX and FX cameras and lenses will continue to complement each other "for a very long time."
ortega
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sound really impressive, but it is equally expansive
I be looking at the 14mm primes by sigma and tamron
That's good news for ppl who do lots of travelling and want their cameras / lenses small and light if possible. The 18-200VR DX is one lens that Canon users envy us having.
On the other hand - the Canon side is going kinda bonkers that the D300 / D3 seems to have completely stole the thunder the 40D/1DmkIII release. Nikon has really got their timing and marketing right this time.
CYRN
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one thing you need to beware.. a couple of years back, nikon also mentioned FF not in short term plan altho they are keeping options open. :think:
That is true if Canon maintains their 18 months product cycle... they are "stuck" for this cycle, less 5D replacement. Hopefully Canon will wakeup and give their users what they really want.
psychoatom
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It's great for me because I have a Coolpix 950, D70s and D200 (one of the factors I got the it instead of D80), so if they were to use SD instead, then it'll be a bit of a "negative" feature for me.
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