It's here! Olympus E-P1 "Digital Pen" m43 system


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Honestly, the iq for this one is good enough for me. I did notice the grains but wasn't distracted by it as much as other cameras, maybe becaue of the way it's being rendered. Then again, I'm a high iso users and am very used to working with grains...

There are some F2.8 shots from the pancake here:
http://www.photographyblog.com/articles/olympus_e-p1_photos/
Not the nicest results, but it's good enough for me. I guess that's the point.
 

Heh, the E-3 at ISO 400 wipes the floor with the LX-3 at ISO 80 (i know i have both), and you don't need to pixel peep to see that. Pixel peeping does not tell you how good IQ is; all it shows you is how the camera's image processor renders noise grains.

Good IQ does not mean noiseless pictures; you could simply turn up the noise filter to standard and voila, the noise disappears. Of course, that would also make your images plasticky and typically digital, my personal opinion of course. YMMV.

But again, I will reserve all judgment with regards to IQ and AF speed until I get my paws on one.

Let's hope the production model will continue the tradition of wiping floors with the LX3 then :D
 

:( oh my god what am I going to by ? What I want after all is GOOD VIDEO with a DSLR.

I DO hesitate between GH1 and E-P1, and maybe Canon Mark II if I don't tell it to my wife. On friday I'm going to try the GH1, but I'd read the problems issue with the 1080P.

Does GH1 or even E-P1 have the same quality than the Canon Mark II ? Does the canon will have autofocus with a new firmware ? Damn how long will I have to wait to decide myself what camera I will by, and the price : 750 €, 1490 € or 3400 € ? ARGHHHHH
 

but i kinda sad no viewfinder,hope they come up with something like the DP2,i don't want to be restricted to just the 17mm OVF

The OVF, as you call it, should be called an optical guesstimator. You don't really need it at all. I'd hope that the next body would have a real viewfinder because even an electronic viewfinder is better than none at all.
 

:( oh my god what am I going to by ? What I want after all is GOOD VIDEO with a DSLR.

I DO hesitate between GH1 and E-P1, and maybe Canon Mark II if I don't tell it to my wife. On friday I'm going to try the GH1, but I'd read the problems issue with the 1080P.

Does GH1 or even E-P1 have the same quality than the Canon Mark II ? Does the canon will have autofocus with a new firmware ? Damn how long will I have to wait to decide myself what camera I will by, and the price : 750 €, 1490 € or 3400 € ? ARGHHHHH


The GH-1 has full HD (1080p) with real time autofocus with the 14-140, so I think you'd be looking in that direction.
 

the only real concern for me is the AF speed....

noise in shadows is pretty easy to clean up with software especially u don't expect to preserve much details in the shadows in the first place. People always see noise noise but seldom look at the details. it is SNR... signal divided by noise.

CA is the lens... so change lens lor.

The AF speed is really dissappointing especially after all the rave reviews for the panasonic m4/3rd DSLRs..... for me, the E-P1 is a small portable camera to take candid shots... super low noise, CA is not really impt but fast AF is impt to me for candid shots.

especially, panasonic has shown that it is POSSIBLE to achieve fast AF....
 

Heh, the E-3 at ISO 400 wipes the floor with the LX-3 at ISO 80 (i know i have both), and you don't need to pixel peep to see that. Pixel peeping does not tell you how good IQ is; all it shows you is how the camera's image processor renders noise grains.

Good IQ does not mean noiseless pictures; you could simply turn up the noise filter to standard and voila, the noise disappears. Of course, that would also make your images plasticky and typically digital, my personal opinion of course. YMMV.

But again, I will reserve all judgment with regards to IQ and AF speed until I get my paws on one.

wahhaaa... wife approved the budget? ;p

i'm also waiting to see... mebbe replace my canon G7 with this... :p
 

the only real concern for me is the AF speed....

noise in shadows is pretty easy to clean up with software especially u don't expect to preserve much details in the shadows in the first place. People always see noise noise but seldom look at the details. it is SNR... signal divided by noise.

CA is the lens... so change lens lor.

The AF speed is really dissappointing especially after all the rave reviews for the panasonic m4/3rd DSLRs..... for me, the E-P1 is a small portable camera to take candid shots... super low noise, CA is not really impt but fast AF is impt to me for candid shots.

especially, panasonic has shown that it is POSSIBLE to achieve fast AF....

I now agree with drakon09 that the CA issue could be due to the pancake lens. A very similar picture with 14-42 showed a much better CA performance.

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http://img.photographyblog.com/reviews/olympus_ep1/photos/olympus_ep1_17mm_08.jpg

If this is indeed true, it is a pity, because I really like the idea of the 17mmf2.8 pancake....

I do agree that the noise is pretty easy to clean up. In fact most issues with digital photos can be fixed to a certain level. However, that brings back the question behind the rationale of paying a premium for an SLR-like camera sensor when a considerable amount of PP is required.

I guess the concern here is never with the presence of noise. Every camera has noise. It is the level at which it appears at such a low ISO as 200 that raised a little concern.

Having said that, there is a hope, the other samples from other websites showed considerably lower noise levels.

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from this image

http://img.photographyblog.com/reviews/olympus_ep1/photos/olympus_ep1_iso_02.jpg

Could it be settings, could it be due to the lighting conditions? I guess we will know when the camera is released. Although there is still noise, I think this image's ISO performance is very much in line with my expectation.
 

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I now agree with drakon09 that the CA issue could be due to the pancake lens. A very similar picture with 14-42 showed a much better CA performance.

http://img.photographyblog.com/reviews/olympus_ep1/photos/olympus_ep1_17mm_08.jpg

If this is indeed true, it is a pity, because I really like the idea of the 17mmf2.8 pancake....

I do agree that the noise is pretty easy to clean up. In fact most issues with digital photos can be fixed to a certain level. However, that brings back the question behind the rationale of paying a premium for an SLR-like camera sensor when a considerable amount of PP is required.

I guess the concern here is never with the presence of noise. Every camera has noise. It is the level at which it appears at such as low ISO as 200 that raised a little concern.

Having said that, there is a hope, the other samples from other websites showed considerably lower noise levels.

3637728462_d48e899ab5.jpg


from this image

http://img.photographyblog.com/reviews/olympus_ep1/photos/olympus_ep1_iso_02.jpg

Could it be settings, could it be due to the lighting conditions? I guess we will know when the camera is released. Although there is still noise, I think this image's ISO performance is very much in line with my expectation.

It could be because of the settings... Maybe auto gradation was on (if there is)? Or the noise filter settings was different...

Don't let such small issues trouble you.. Would anyone look at your photos and say, "So much CA! Look there! And here!" :bsmilie:

Noise was a problem for me during the E-500 days, where chroma noise was everywhere.. Now with little or even no chroma noise, I don't really care anymore..

So just BUY the camera and ENJOY! BBB. :devil: BBB.
 

Sorry, I just realized that the photo of the woman was taken with the 17mm as well!...hmmmm
 

It could be because of the settings... Maybe auto gradation was on (if there is)? Or the noise filter settings was different...

Don't let such small issues trouble you.. Would anyone look at your photos and say, "So much CA! Look there! And here!" :bsmilie:

Noise was a problem for me during the E-500 days, where chroma noise was everywhere.. Now with little or even no chroma noise, I don't really care anymore..

So just BUY the camera and ENJOY! BBB. :devil: BBB.

I should learn your way, the path to true happiness, teach me master.... hehehe :bsmilie:
 

Noise happens with bad exposure, regardless of ISO settings. Try to boost an image shot underexposed at the lowest possible ISO setting on the best camera, the shadow will show noise. No technology can compensate for bad photographic skills. Period. Its like you can have the best rifle in the world, but if you cannot shoot straight, you can never hit the target, hence the saying : "If you cannot swim, don't blame the trunks being too big".

Other functions like 4/3 adapter with AF (to be confirmed later) is something that would be a plus point if implemented. That is a MAJOR draw.

I ask myself why I want and what I need in this new system, and the answer became clear, and I know that this camera is for me.

But I would not want to elaborate further for I believe each and every one of us has a different need in what we are seeking in a camera system.

Like I have shared many times in outings and gatherings, there is no one perfect system yet, and therefore I don't want to complain about systems though I openly admit that I dislike Canon still (not forever, mind you). Every system has its strength, and there might be a day I might have to buy a Canon system because it helps me take better pictures for a situation that I am in. I will never know. But for now, for my shooting style and needs, Olympus, Nikon, Mamiya and Red are the four brands that caters to those needs.

For the basic requirement, the E-P1 replaces the E-420 and Panasonic LX-3. Funny thing is, I absolutely hated Panasonic going AVCHD format, because it is a pain to use. Yes, professional video editors will have that codec ready in their high end machines, but I am not ready to spend a 5 figure amount to support and edit in that format, no thank you.

And as I have mentioned to Mike Lee, I have requested Olympus NOT to go solely 1080p, and have an option for 720p, and thankfully I have my 720p... I am very happy for that. I already have 6TB storage in my room, and I don't want to triple that in a year... Having a noisy disk array is no joke, not to mention the noise, the heat from that... if I need 4k filming, the Red does a better job and it was created for that. For my holidays and daily recording of life, 720p is currently enough for me. May change in 2 years, but for now, it is enough. I cannot imagine buying a few 32GB SDHC Class 6 for the camera just because I want 1080p videos. And GH-1 is able to control that 1080p beast well anyway. LX-3 opened the way to show me how amazing Panasonic has been to develop their sensor to shoot mind blowing videos on a compact camera. That is the benchmark for me. For those with more money and can afford buying PB (not TB) of harddisk space, good for you, go shoot 4k for all I care, I don't enjoy having to upgrade all cables in my room from FW800 to fibre... a painful exercise.

The E-P1 concept serves me well as a "leisure camera", for serious stuff, I will gladly pick up my E-3 which I still consider my serious camera.

For leisure hobbyists, I am sure you are looking at E-P1 as a main camera even, so our needs are different. And thank you for sharing your views on that. This thread, with all the contributions, is really helping potential E-P1 users/owners have a better insight on how the E-P1 will serve their needs.

Silver or white, that is my question... headache... Must see how a "black lens on white body with light brown leather" will look... Most of the time, I should be just using the E-P1 with the 17mm pancake and OVF like a rangefinder. And waiting patiently for the 10mm pancake to come...
 

I should learn your way, the path to true happiness, teach me master.... hehehe :bsmilie:

Haha. No lah. Just my way of saying, "I don't need another camera!" :bsmilie:

This way, my E-3 can last me for many years to come... ;p

For you, it's the opposite. :bsmilie:
 

Noise happens with bad exposure, regardless of ISO settings. Try to boost an image shot underexposed at the lowest possible ISO setting on the best camera, the shadow will show noise. No technology can compensate for bad photographic skills. Period. Its like you can have the best rifle in the world, but if you cannot shoot straight, you can never hit the target, hence the saying : "If you cannot swim, don't blame the trunks being too big".

Other functions like 4/3 adapter with AF (to be confirmed later) is something that would be a plus point if implemented. That is a MAJOR draw.

I ask myself why I want and what I need in this new system, and the answer became clear, and I know that this camera is for me.

But I would not want to elaborate further for I believe each and every one of us has a different need in what we are seeking in a camera system.

Like I have shared many times in outings and gatherings, there is no one perfect system yet, and therefore I don't want to complain about systems though I openly admit that I dislike Canon still (not forever, mind you). Every system has its strength, and there might be a day I might have to buy a Canon system because it helps me take better pictures for a situation that I am in. I will never know. But for now, for my shooting style and needs, Olympus, Nikon, Mamiya and Red are the four brands that caters to those needs.

For the basic requirement, the E-P1 replaces the E-420 and Panasonic LX-3. Funny thing is, I absolutely hated Panasonic going AVCHD format, because it is a pain to use. Yes, professional video editors will have that codec ready in their high end machines, but I am not ready to spend a 5 figure amount to support and edit in that format, no thank you.

And as I have mentioned to Mike Lee, I have requested Olympus NOT to go solely 1080p, and have an option for 720p, and thankfully I have my 720p... I am very happy for that. I already have 6TB storage in my room, and I don't want to triple that in a year... Having a noisy disk array is no joke, not to mention the noise, the heat from that... if I need 4k filming, the Red does a better job and it was created for that. For my holidays and daily recording of life, 720p is currently enough for me. May change in 2 years, but for now, it is enough. I cannot imagine buying a few 32GB SDHC Class 6 for the camera just because I want 1080p videos. And GH-1 is able to control that 1080p beast well anyway. LX-3 opened the way to show me how amazing Panasonic has been to develop their sensor to shoot mind blowing videos on a compact camera. That is the benchmark for me. For those with more money and can afford buying PB (not TB) of harddisk space, good for you, go shoot 4k for all I care, I don't enjoy having to upgrade all cables in my room from FW800 to fibre... a painful exercise.

The E-P1 concept serves me well as a "leisure camera", for serious stuff, I will gladly pick up my E-3 which I still consider my serious camera.

For leisure hobbyists, I am sure you are looking at E-P1 as a main camera even, so our needs are different. And thank you for sharing your views on that. This thread, with all the contributions, is really helping potential E-P1 users/owners have a better insight on how the E-P1 will serve their needs.

Silver or white, that is my question... headache... Must see how a "black lens on white body with light brown leather" will look... Most of the time, I should be just using the E-P1 with the 17mm pancake and OVF like a rangefinder. And waiting patiently for the 10mm pancake to come...

I totally agree with you view that each and everyone has their own needs. I am even thinking of selling my Canon DSLR system to purchase the EP-1 due to the fact that I prefer to travel light and I think the EP-1 match all my need as I am only a "leisure" shooter.

I also having the same thought of having the 17mm pancake and carry it with me in a bag all the time for any shooting opportunity that might come.

But having said that, I am not sure if I am use to the view finder to compose but I guess I need to get use to it if I really go for this system.

Any idea if the EP-1 support remote trigger? It would be a nice addition especially for firework shoot.
 

I totally agree with you view that each and everyone has their own needs. I am even thinking of selling my Canon DSLR system to purchase the EP-1 due to the fact that I prefer to travel light and I think the EP-1 match all my need as I am only a "leisure" shooter.

I also having the same thought of having the 17mm pancake and carry it with me in a bag all the time for any shooting opportunity that might come.

But having said that, I am not sure if I am use to the view finder to compose but I guess I need to get use to it if I really go for this system.

Any idea if the EP-1 support remote trigger? It would be a nice addition especially for firework shoot.

Yes, that is why I am so considering the E-P1 for portability. A full DSLR everywhere is fine, weight-wise, but I sometimes need the space in the bag for other things, that is where I get stuck with "what should I pack". Funny thing is, the E-P1 was to be the replacement for my current "point and shooter", the E-30/14-54MkII. CDAF is fun.

Technical handling for any new camera system is something we all have to go through and get used to, regardless of what we get... something that comes with more time spent on using it... never really considered that "a problem"...

For the remote trigger, I don't think I can answer that question right now, but I don't see why it would not be available since this is something that is essential for Bulb Mode. (I always believed that if there is Bulb Mode, the system should have a remote trigger to support it.) and in consumer cameras, they actually implemented a "fireworks" scene to help the beginners.

That said, remember the concept design for the E-P1 is supposedly targetted at a entry level PnS convert, though it comes with controls to satisfy the basic shooting needs of a seasoned photographer. Therefore there might be familiar functions that we need that is not available on this model. As the platform gets serious support and user base, lens options (native micro Four Thirds, instead of adapter), accessories, more advanced models, etc will come. That is the natural progression of things.

This is the PEN project. In those days, you either have the PEN for the leisure shooter, and the OM for the more serious photographer. Looks like in this era, you have micro Four Thirds and the regular Four Thirds. They shouldn't be competing with one another but to compliment the entire Four Thirds family and give shooters more options. That is what I think it is. I may be wrong though... let's see what happens in the next 12 months... Olympus never play by the rules, that is why they are a "Forrest Gump Company"... we never know what we are going to get... :bsmilie: I love the surprises Olympus always bring.

Remember the last press release where Olympus says that they are not going to be chasing after the megapixel race and focus on photographic tools/functions to make their cameras more reliable and efficient? I wonder with that mission statement, what is coming in the near future.
 

The OVF, as you call it, should be called an optical guesstimator. You don't really need it at all. I'd hope that the next body would have a real viewfinder because even an electronic viewfinder is better than none at all.

ooo,thanks a lot bousozoku,i've learnt something new today :D

I think it support,the Olympus website states that one accesorries is RM-UC1,is it?anyway,i'm sure it's the remote for the E-510,410,520,420.

I'm looking forward to just owning 3 lens on this camera,14-42,17 and 7-14, 14-42 for general usuage,7-14 for those wide shots that i sometimes want (though i may not get this lens at all) and 17mm with the viewfinder to use for street,all others forms of shooting that i do,i will go back to regular four thirds :D,but still now in the "decision" phase,i may end up not getting it altogether
 

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I was watching a video attached to the preview from What Digital Camera here.

It seems quite nice and the demonstration is helpful.

I wonder how the DxOmark on the E-P1 would be since the others haven't been all that good. I haven't said this much, but things like this camera body and the advances Olympus have made are really pleasing.
 

ooo,thanks a lot bousozoku,i've learnt something new today :D

I think it support,the Olympus website states that one accesorries is RM-UC1,is it?anyway,i'm sure it's the remote for the E-510,410,520,420.

I'm looking forward to just owning 3 lens on this camera,14-42,17 and 7-14, 14-42 for general usuage,7-14 for those wide shots that i sometimes want (though i may not get this lens at all) and 17mm with the viewfinder to use for street,all others forms of shooting that i do,i will go back to regular four thirds :D,but still now in the "decision" phase,i may end up not getting it altogether

Back in the day, I remember there used to be mechanical frames which would expand and contract depending on the distance/focus to show you a close approximation of the view. Of course, the viewfinder was integrated into the body.
 

Back in the day, I remember there used to be mechanical frames which would expand and contract depending on the distance/focus to show you a close approximation of the view. Of course, the viewfinder was integrated into the body.

really?sounds like the old days were really interesting,in like,20 years or so,when i tell my kids about "my old days",the oldest already had a lot of advance built into them:( but oh well,at least i still had fun with film before it totally phases out (if it does,which i hope it doesn't but most unlikely to happen)
 


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Silver or white, that is my question... headache... Must see how a "black lens on white body with light brown leather" will look... Most of the time, I should be just using the E-P1 with the 17mm pancake and OVF like a rangefinder. And waiting patiently for the 10mm pancake to come...

If you were to ask me, I will take the one with the black leather grip. More classic and it compliment well with the black color lenses. If you saw those classic chrome SLR, you know what I mean :)
 

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