i am not upgrading to 40d


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100MP sensor, 111MP is already out some time ago for MF. The problem here is what your money can buy, if $$ is no limit, you will not go for a DSLR but a MF or may be a LF. Here, we are talking about with about the same $$, we should get about the same std. Std is what is the best at the point of time for the same amount of $$..

standard as a noun is a basis for comparison, a reference point which other things can be evaluated. as an adjective it is something regularly or widely used.

Btw D300 and 40D is not the same amount of $$ since they share different SRP. So what exactly is your point?
 

Today plastic lenses suck, you will never know what technology can do for you in the future. You watch Startrek, saw some of the future technology, it may just be a movie but what the movie told us, it is happening.

Other than glass and plastic, one option that has been intensely researched on is liquid lenses.
 

May I know you change your PC LCD monitor, why you do so? Bigger screen, better resolution, etc, etc. You know the spec between the old and new PC LCD monitor? Why can't you see from here what the yet to launch piece of little LCD screen from Nikon will be giving a better performance.

Simple, I change my PC LCD when it is time to change, not becos there are newer and more advance one in the market .I can see that you are totally sold purely base on extrapolation of claimed performance. To me performance is demonstrated and not purely based on claim. I cannot see the product as yet, Full Stop.

100MP sensor, 111MP is already out some time ago for MF. The problem here is what your money can buy, if $$ is no limit, you will not go for a DSLR but a MF or may be a LF. Here, we are talking about with about the same $$, we should get about the same std. Std is what is the best at the point of time for the same amount of $$.

If your follow what has been posted and what I posted , it centered on when it can be implemented and works . The cost factor will always be a major consideration to the users. Hence my view of moderation on expectation . Cost versu features Standard is set when product reach the market and not when product is at the drawing board and no cost has been mentioned from the manufacturer, I wonder how you've derived the " std" or 'same $$$ for same std" from?


Thanks for the entertainments too and that is why we are here in the forum. Please don't insult others, everyone can have their point of views. There is no right or wrong, it is all their personal opinions.

No intention to insult anyone's intelligence , just tongue in cheek personal opinion on the line of argument . Perhaps I should change to :

10 x:thumbsd: for reality and substance

5 x :thumbsd: entertainment value.

:cheers:
 

But one thing I can tell you for sure: live view on the 40D is MUCH better than what you get with the Oly E510/E410 mostly because you get severe ghosting on the E510 when you move the camera around. That's very irritating to me. And of course, it also helps when Canon's AF is much faster.

anyone has anymore thoughts on this? I have the E510 and am thinking of getting the 40D for better ISO and dynamic range. I value the live view a LOT and wonering how good is the live view of 40D is.

The AF is implemented by a seperate button right? In live view, you can press the AF-on then recompose and the shutter button will NOT trigger the AF right?
 

lol seem after reading this thread, the most complain is about the "low res" LCD compared to nikon... Wondering how those pple or pro get start on using the good old SLR where there is no LCD. Seem like they still managed to get good and fantasic pictures without all the advance technology now. Maybe we should just take a step back and ask ourselves why is it that most of us are so dependent on the "small" LCD on our DSLR for "reviewing"? Is it that we have no confident at all that we did take a well-framed, sharp focus shot or is it that our skills on photography is no up to the standard yet hence we need it to "help" us or to put it crudely, we just got no skill at all, so we just go on a trigger spree and fire as much shots as possible and reviewing them on the camera itself hoping that by chance or luck we can get a good one. Not to offend anyone here but I myself also found out that after going to DSLR, I too have the tendency to depend on the LCD and that is why I am asking those questions.
 

It is fine to expect that technology will advance and make life easier in the future, with the human resourcefulness it will eventually be there to meet your expectation that I am sure . However , it will take times to mature and advance , and hence patience and to moderate one's expectation.

Photo Cavendish's point is " it will take a long long time " to mature and not in the near future and pending the maturity of such new tech, he prefers his eyes thru the viewfinder for critical focusing which I think is a fair statement and a " No Rush" practical approach as practiced by most photogs here .

To be at the leading edge of technology one not only read and mouth technology one needs to know the limit of technology as well. Without an understanding of how it can be implemented in a particular sector it is at best an un-informed guess or a regurgitation as gospel truth basing purely on what you read or the manufacturers "intent" of launch of its new products. It amazes and amused me to hear predictive claim of new standard when no D300 or D3 existed outside the wall of Nikon factories in Japan.... dun jump the gun wait for it to fire.

No manufacturer will push out propaganda that will appear to the consumers as inferior or have stagnated in its technology to its rival, the final test of the product will be at the end users, of whether the product is an improvement or have stagnated from its last product, and it is best left to the real experts. ..... over hyping improvement and creating a high expectation amongst targeted users is a double edge sword and a good example is the recent 1D3 and its supposedly all dancing and singing new multiple focus points , and so were previous pre-launch specifications and the subsequent let down of heighten expectation purely based on specs on Nikon Product.

People who just read that Nikon is implementing a 900,000 pixel LCD monitor and straight away jumped to the conclusion that the Canon 3 inch LCD at lesser resolution is "crap" as compare to either their Handphone or the yet to be produce Nikon Products are ignorant at best of what is new and what can be implemented. It appears that , over nite , CS is full of technology experts and camera review experts that should have been working in either Canon or Nikon to help produce better camera , instead of idle talking here in CS.

If only our local "experts" have read that there is in fact a 100MB pixels sensor that has been in use for years , they would certainly in the same breath proclaimed existing Top of the line DSLR and even the yet to be manufacture D300 and D3 as craps too since on spec these cameras have less than 1/5 of what a 100 MB sensor is capable of doing , and of course insist to have the 100MB sensor as the only sensor to be installed in their preferred camera .:)

With every new camera launch , without fail there will be circus in town with two distinct groups. The Expert Hands-on Review corner and the Technology review corner with their supporters cheering them on.

On the review corner talk show are hosted by 5-minutes-hands-on-camera- reviewer chipping their 2 photons worth of what they think and what it should have been! Basically 5 minutes hands-on "expert" view of what they feel or what they heard ,some even without an understanding on how some of the new function works ..... and quickly proclaimed why they would not buy, more to agitate intended buyers and perhaps as a troll, who really care if you buy or dun buy? Yes, the troll works hence this prolong thread.

On the Technology table , there will be "technology experts " telling you what latest technology should be incorporated , basically it center on better and cheaper and throwing in their expert knowledge on incorporation of new gizmos , latest tech or whatever they happened to hear or read and and insist that they should pay peanuts for it....... no wonder they are not working in Nikon or Canon!:D

Thanks for the entertainments !

5 X :thumbsup: for entertainment value.

10 X:thumbsd:: for reality and substance.

What makes you so sure that no one in Singapore has tried it? If you do not have a chance to try it does not mean others have not.
 

Simple, I change my PC LCD when it is time to change, not becos there are newer and more advance one in the market .I can see that you are totally sold purely base on extrapolation of claimed performance. To me performance is demonstrated and not purely based on claim. I cannot see the product as yet, Full Stop.

Well, the choice is yours to stay until you see with your own eyes. By the way, in the other camp, it is demonstrated just that you haven't nor I have see it with our own eyes. If based on N statement, I will not buy it, but many reports by others couldn't be wrong. Enjoy your wait and curse later.

Oh, I don't buy thing based on claimed performance, I buy based on what I need. I only use a 17" LCD monitor (1280x1024) / AMD system and not the lastest and greatest Core 2 system or a 22" LCD.

If your follow what has been posted and what I posted , it centered on when it can be implemented and works . The cost factor will always be a major consideration to the users. Hence my view of moderation on expectation . Cost versu features Standard is set when product reach the market and not when product is at the drawing board and no cost has been mentioned from the manufacturer, I wonder how you've derived the " std" or 'same $$$ for same std" from?

I am just saying when you compare, compare at about the same price range, so what is the point of bring 100MP sensor in the 1st place.

By the way, I am not brand loyal, only loyal to what is best value and quality for money. So, I don't belong to either camp.
 

lol seem after reading this thread, the most complain is about the "low res" LCD compared to nikon... Wondering how those pple or pro get start on using the good old SLR where there is no LCD. Seem like they still managed to get good and fantasic pictures without all the advance technology now. Maybe we should just take a step back and ask ourselves why is it that most of us are so dependent on the "small" LCD on our DSLR for "reviewing"? Is it that we have no confident at all that we did take a well-framed, sharp focus shot or is it that our skills on photography is no up to the standard yet hence we need it to "help" us or to put it crudely, we just got no skill at all, so we just go on a trigger spree and fire as much shots as possible and reviewing them on the camera itself hoping that by chance or luck we can get a good one. Not to offend anyone here but I myself also found out that after going to DSLR, I too have the tendency to depend on the LCD and that is why I am asking those questions.

Well, here everyone trying to pick on some differences between 2 and dwell on them. Just wait for dpreview and others to do a pro comparison between them and settle it.

Human nature, once we get something simpler and easier, we tend to stay with it. We have one forumer stating that he use 90% of the time with Live View. This is also why I mentioned that eventually Live view will replace viewfinder. When? may when they figure out how to reduce power consumption from the LCD and others.
 

lol seem after reading this thread, the most complain is about the "low res" LCD compared to nikon... Wondering how those pple or pro get start on using the good old SLR where there is no LCD. Seem like they still managed to get good and fantasic pictures without all the advance technology now. Maybe we should just take a step back and ask ourselves why is it that most of us are so dependent on the "small" LCD on our DSLR for "reviewing"? Is it that we have no confident at all that we did take a well-framed, sharp focus shot or is it that our skills on photography is no up to the standard yet hence we need it to "help" us or to put it crudely, we just got no skill at all, so we just go on a trigger spree and fire as much shots as possible and reviewing them on the camera itself hoping that by chance or luck we can get a good one. Not to offend anyone here but I myself also found out that after going to DSLR, I too have the tendency to depend on the LCD and that is why I am asking those questions.

Why last time people use "birds" to send message, and now we use handphones? :think: Last time people still get their "important and great" message sent across to other people isn't it? Why do we need handphones/computers now? Last time people gather together to discuss things, why are we doing it on forum now? Time have changed and there is no point looking at last time what and how people do things.
 

N vs C.. i wonder which gives me better colour tone and reach?
low res LCD vs high res LCD.. wonder which gives me a better composition?
10mp vs 12mp.. wonder which gives a sharper 8R printout?

One thing I know for sure, with DSLR, I get so trigger happy and can snap up to 1000 pics in a full day shoot, compared to say 8 rolls of film? = 288 shots in the past.
More efficient? oh definitely yes!
More compositions & poses? of coz
Better eye and better lighting? hmm..?

It's damn much more fun shooting with the DSLRs, and much better for your ego if you shoot with top-of-the-line equipment.
 

Why last time people use "birds" to send message, and now we use handphones? :think: Last time people still get their "important and great" message sent across to other people isn't it? Why do we need handphones/computers now? Last time people gather together to discuss things, why are we doing it on forum now? Time have changed and there is no point looking at last time what and how people do things.

Last time "birds" are all healthly mah somemore last time also got dinosaur birdies, one time can like jumbo jet, mass delivery. But now dinosaur birdies old liao, died and the birdies caught a cold and was down with flu, so pple go invent handphone loh coz safer, won't kanna their flu. Last time in pple gather in 中原 to organise 武林大会 but later gahment say cannot have gathering with x number of pple altogether at one place if not consider as illegal gathering. So again pple go invent a thing call forum to protect other pple ass, so that they can gather altogether in one place tok **** sing song play mahjong, spar sapr here spar spar there but physically all over the place so gahment now cannot say illegal gathering loh.

BTW you "last time" is so last time until it is not relavent at all, compare apple to apple not apple to orange but if you want it this way well I have nothing to say.....most likey when you use a bird to send a message, it may end up in 2 senarios, got lost or got shot and roasted for dinner and speaking of which, it is also the reason why pple choose to use mooncakes instead to pass messages to one another(must go buy mooncakes liao haha yum yum hungry liao and not even lunch time yet).

Just one simple challenge to all who wish to try, limit yourself with only 36 "one time" shot only and do not review the pictures you have taken on the camera LCD. Review them later back on your computer and see how many good shot you can get.
 

What makes you so sure that no one in Singapore has tried it? If you do not have a chance to try it does not mean others have not.


I could have being very ill informed on the subject matter and I stand to be corrected .:embrass:

By your above statement, I presume that you know someone who has hands on on the Nikon D300 and D3 .I am all ears and eyes for you to enlighten me and the forum who in Singapore has seen a working copy of the Nikon D300 and D3.

Or , better still, invite him here to enlighten all of us.

Cheers!
 

I could have being very ill informed on the subject matter and I stand to be corrected .:embrass:

By your above statement, I presume that you know someone who has hands on on the Nikon D300 and D3 .I am all ears and eyes for you to enlighten me and the forum who in Singapore has seen a working copy of the Nikon D300 and D3.

Or , better still, invite him here to enlighten all of us.

Cheers!

Check out hardwarezone. :) Nikon Singapore has given them a unit to test and review.

In case you are not so well versed with the advance search engine on the internet, let me provide you with the link : http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/reviews/view.php?id=2349&cid=15&pg=2
 

Lightning,

Thanks for the link.

You should switch camp to Nikon now, forget about lamenting the lack of definition on the 3" 40D LCD or for that matter on your 1 D Mk II !:)

Cheers!
 

Good for you, more should think like you. Buying more C40D now will only tell C to give a sub std 5DM2 or 50D thinking C users are still milking cows. Sub std is compared to what is the std at that time.

May I know why you consider the 40D sub-standard? What is sub-standard to you? It seems you have insatiable standards.
 

Lightning,

Thanks for the link.

You should switch camp to Nikon now, forget about lamenting the lack of definition on the 3" 40D LCD or for that matter on your 1 D Mk II !:)

Cheers!

If everyone is contented with what the manufacturer is giving, you think the manufacturer will be motivated to progress? Canon has claimed that they have upgraded the LCD, but in actual fact is that the pixel density remains the same from donkeys years ago. Is that a true upgrade? Canon is playing this waiting game which I hate. They wait for people to catch up, and then they move. Why? Make more money? They have a 50MP 35mm Cmos sensor, but they are not implementing it. Why?
 

If everyone is contented with what the manufacturer is giving, you think the manufacturer will be motivated to progress? Canon has claimed that they have upgraded the LCD, but in actual fact is that the pixel density remains the same from donkeys years ago. Is that a true upgrade? Canon is playing this waiting game which I hate. They wait for people to catch up, and then they move. Why? Make more money? They have a 50MP 35mm Cmos sensor, but they are not implementing it. Why?

One cannot afford to throw the entire arsenal out. Each faction (canon or nikon) fires a salvo (sometimes a rather subdued one), then waits. It's a sad fact of marketing strategy.
 

One cannot afford to throw the entire arsenal out. Each faction (canon or nikon) fires a salvo (sometimes a rather subdued one), then waits. It's a sad fact of marketing strategy.

Hahaha....may be they should learn from the US when the strike Iraq.....totally eliminate the enemy. They can be so advance that the can capture the whole market isn't it?
 

Hahaha....may be they should learn from the US when the strike Iraq.....totally eliminate the enemy. They can be so advance that the can capture the whole market isn't it?

did US eliminate the enemy totally ? where u get that from ?
 

May I know why you consider the 40D sub-standard? What is sub-standard to you? It seems you have insatiable standards.

Sub-standard here is a sub-std upgrade and not a sub-std camera. If you have to pay another about 2k to get a so called new model and get nothing much more as compare to 20D/30D. On the other hand, the D300 has a great jumps over the D200 and D200 another big jump from D100. Many 20D/30D guys would likely hold the horse instead of moving to 40D, while the other camp would likely move from D200 to D300. When you pay, you want to get the value for it.

Keep your 30D and wait for 50D instead
 

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