i am not upgrading to 40d


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I can't wait to see pns upgraders holding the 40D like a pns.. shooting by looking at the LCD instead of thru the view finder. kek.

If Canon and Nikon wants to target the new tech savvy "prosumers", they should start thinking about integrating mobile phone (preferably broadband for skype users), video camera, or at least a mp3 player! duh!

C & N are not only targeting at pns upgraders, they are targeting at all sectors. That is why Live View is also found in 1DsM3 and D3. Also, I don't think pns upgraders will jump to 40D or D300 or 5DM2 or D3 or 1DsM3, they will join the DSLR with 400D or D40x or its replacement when the price is right.

GPS already added, so one fine day, who knows, mp3 or mp4, mobile phone/wireless broadband, bluetooth, etc will be added to camera. As for video camera, pns already can do low res video, and video cam can take photo, to port it to DSLR is a piece of cake. May be not too long down the road, when they got nothing much to add, they will add all these gimmicks. They alway need new sales to keep their company going.
 

Yea lor.. photographer carry a cannon pointing here and there.. imagine using 1D with 300mm 2.8... wah pianz. the photographer must have popeye arms.

If today bicycle can be lifted with one finger, why can't the added features camera be very light. In the lab, plastic can be stronger than current steel, when they can mass prod them, thing will become lighter, so don't need popeye arms.
 

Wow, the consumer these days are hard to please, give you weather proof , you want water proof, give you water proof you want fire proof.

Nothing wrong. Demand and supply.

Give you payrise this year, you want promotion next year :cool:
 

GPS already added, so one fine day, who knows, mp3 or mp4, mobile phone/wireless broadband, bluetooth, etc will be added to camera.
Your handphone already has GPS, wireless LAN, BT, MP3, Video record/playback, and CAMERA. Handphone can add all these techno crap cos HP is a toy (ok ok, lifestyle thingy). I seriously doubt though a semi/pro DLSR would add too much of these techno crap in it though.
 

I remember when I first saw the first CD-R writer (2x speed) made by HP long ago. It was selling for ~ S$1.2k. So, I agree, technology progresses and we should not stand still. Reminds me of Sunset Boulevard. :)

Don't let your children to become engineers!
 

*For those who are not familiar with Canon's first consuner DSLR, the D30 when it first came out had only 3MP (I used one b4), 3 focusing points, much slower AF, etc. And the RRP was $4999! So now, some 7 years later, with 10MP, super huge 3" LCD, reponsive 9-point AF, loads of other features, costing only $1.9k, people are still not satisfied!

You are satisfied when you compared it with a dinosaur. It does not mean it is competitive when compared with another camera from _today's_ world.
 

this thread is becoming quite entertaining to read! ;)
 

With Nikon D3/D300 out in the market the LCD resolution standards in forthcoming camera models (irrespective of the manufacturer) have been reset..

I am sure the much talked about 5DmkII will certainly have the features to counter the D3/D300.. I think the LCD, the AF points (45point AF if not 51point) can probably make their way into the new bodies..

just wait a little more until Canon makes the counter move to Nikon.. for now be happy with 20D..
 

Don't let your children to become engineers!

I agree. Products are more complex but the price is reducing = more work less pay. Engineers income is lowest among the 6 professions that singapore's ministers average income.
 

With Nikon D3/D300 out in the market the LCD resolution standards in forthcoming camera models (irrespective of the manufacturer) have been reset..

I am sure the much talked about 5DmkII will certainly have the features to counter the D3/D300.. I think the LCD, the AF points (45point AF if not 51point) can probably make their way into the new bodies..

just wait a little more until Canon makes the counter move to Nikon.. for now be happy with 20D..


Yeah, Canon please wake up!
 

If today bicycle can be lifted with one finger, why can't the added features camera be very light. In the lab, plastic can be stronger than current steel, when they can mass prod them, thing will become lighter, so don't need popeye arms.

Come on, Glass is glass, Len needs good glass. They are very heavy in nature.. If this is going to happen, wah pianz, besides the popeye arms, we need very deep pocket also.
 

Come on, Glass is glass, Len needs good glass. They are very heavy in nature.. If this is going to happen, wah pianz, besides the popeye arms, we need very deep pocket also.
Well just try and hold your hands outstretched in midair. I think soon your hand will get tired too.
 

It is fine to expect that technology will advance and make life easier in the future, with the human resourcefulness it will eventually be there to meet your expectation that I am sure . However , it will take times to mature and advance , and hence patience and to moderate one's expectation.

Photo Cavendish's point is " it will take a long long time " to mature and not in the near future and pending the maturity of such new tech, he prefers his eyes thru the viewfinder for critical focusing which I think is a fair statement and a " No Rush" practical approach as practiced by most photogs here .

To be at the leading edge of technology one not only read and mouth technology one needs to know the limit of technology as well. Without an understanding of how it can be implemented in a particular sector it is at best an un-informed guess or a regurgitation as gospel truth basing purely on what you read or the manufacturers "intent" of launch of its new products. It amazes and amused me to hear predictive claim of new standard when no D300 or D3 existed outside the wall of Nikon factories in Japan.... dun jump the gun wait for it to fire.

No manufacturer will push out propaganda that will appear to the consumers as inferior or have stagnated in its technology to its rival, the final test of the product will be at the end users, of whether the product is an improvement or have stagnated from its last product, and it is best left to the real experts. ..... over hyping improvement and creating a high expectation amongst targeted users is a double edge sword and a good example is the recent 1D3 and its supposedly all dancing and singing new multiple focus points , and so were previous pre-launch specifications and the subsequent let down of heighten expectation purely based on specs on Nikon Product.

People who just read that Nikon is implementing a 900,000 pixel LCD monitor and straight away jumped to the conclusion that the Canon 3 inch LCD at lesser resolution is "crap" as compare to either their Handphone or the yet to be produce Nikon Products are ignorant at best of what is new and what can be implemented. It appears that , over nite , CS is full of technology experts and camera review experts that should have been working in either Canon or Nikon to help produce better camera , instead of idle talking here in CS.

If only our local "experts" have read that there is in fact a 100MB pixels sensor that has been in use for years , they would certainly in the same breath proclaimed existing Top of the line DSLR and even the yet to be manufacture D300 and D3 as craps too since on spec these cameras have less than 1/5 of what a 100 MB sensor is capable of doing , and of course insist to have the 100MB sensor as the only sensor to be installed in their preferred camera .:)

With every new camera launch , without fail there will be circus in town with two distinct groups. The Expert Hands-on Review corner and the Technology review corner with their supporters cheering them on.

On the review corner talk show are hosted by 5-minutes-hands-on-camera- reviewer chipping their 2 photons worth of what they think and what it should have been! Basically 5 minutes hands-on "expert" view of what they feel or what they heard ,some even without an understanding on how some of the new function works ..... and quickly proclaimed why they would not buy, more to agitate intended buyers and perhaps as a troll, who really care if you buy or dun buy? Yes, the troll works hence this prolong thread.

On the Technology table , there will be "technology experts " telling you what latest technology should be incorporated , basically it center on better and cheaper and throwing in their expert knowledge on incorporation of new gizmos , latest tech or whatever they happened to hear or read and and insist that they should pay peanuts for it....... no wonder they are not working in Nikon or Canon!:D

Thanks for the entertainments !

5 X :thumbsup: for entertainment value.

10 X:thumbsd:: for reality and substance.
 

just wait a little more until Canon makes the counter move to Nikon.. for now be happy with 20D..

Good for you, more should think like you. Buying more C40D now will only tell C to give a sub std 5DM2 or 50D thinking C users are still milking cows. Sub std is compared to what is the std at that time.
 

Come on, Glass is glass, Len needs good glass. They are very heavy in nature.. If this is going to happen, wah pianz, besides the popeye arms, we need very deep pocket also.

Today plastic lenses suck, you will never know what technology can do for you in the future. You watch Startrek, saw some of the future technology, it may just be a movie but what the movie told us, it is happening.

As mentioned by the others, technology is making things cheaper, so don't need deep pocket. The 1st dslr costs about $5k, but the pic of today <$1k prosumer can do a better job. And a 40D at <$2k is a great world apart.
 

People who just read that Nikon is implementing a 900,000 pixel LCD monitor and straight away jumped to the conclusion that the Canon 3 inch LCD at lesser resolution is "crap" as compare to either their Handphone or the yet to be produce Nikon Products are ignorant at best of what is new and what can be implemented.

If only our local "experts" have read that there is in fact a 100MB pixels sensor that has been in use for years , they would certainly in the same breath proclaimed existing Top of the line DSLR and even the yet to be manufacture D300 and D3 as craps too since on spec these cameras have less than 1/5 of what a 100 MB sensor is capable of doing , and of course insist to have the 100MB sensor as the only sensor to be installed in their preferred camera .:)

May I know you change your PC LCD monitor, why you do so? Bigger screen, better resolution, etc, etc. You know the spec between the old and new PC LCD monitor? Why can't you see from here what the yet to launch piece of little LCD screen from Nikon will be giving a better performance.

100MP sensor, 111MP is already out some time ago for MF. The problem here is what your money can buy, if $$ is no limit, you will not go for a DSLR but a MF or may be a LF. Here, we are talking about with about the same $$, we should get about the same std. Std is what is the best at the point of time for the same amount of $$.

Thanks for the entertainments too and that is why we are here in the forum. Please don't insult others, everyone can have their point of views. There is no right or wrong, it is all their personal opinions.
 

I am sure the much talked about 5DmkII will certainly have the features to counter the D3/D300..

I really wouldn't bet on that. Judging from Canon's proven brilliance in delighting its non-1D customers, there is a 99.99% probability that the 5DmkII would be nothing more than a 40D with a full-frame sensor.
 

May I know you change your PC LCD monitor, why you do so? Bigger screen, better resolution, etc, etc. You know the spec between the old and new PC LCD monitor? Why can't you see from here what the yet to launch piece of little LCD screen from Nikon will be giving a better performance.

There is a price to pay when you cram 900k pixels into the 3" LCD: you get 15 fps refresh rate vs 30 fps on the 1D/40D etc. Now, we can only determine whether that's going to make a difference or not in LIVE view when the D3/D300 are released.

But one thing I can tell you for sure: live view on the 40D is MUCH better than what you get with the Oly E510/E410 mostly because you get severe ghosting on the E510 when you move the camera around. That's very irritating to me. And of course, it also helps when Canon's AF is much faster.

That said, I am rather surprised when I read that Canon has increased screen size without improving on the resolution. Larger LCD, same pixel count = highly pixelated or un-sharp views. Surely Canon must have recognized this! Some have argued that it's cheaper for Canon to implement a substandard LCD screen. Maybe that's true, but why on the 1Ds MkIII which costs US$8k and has 21 MP resolution?

Also, why has Canon never thought of putting articulated screens on their DSLRs??? Wasn't Canon one of the first companies to do that with the compact digicam (way, way back during the G1 era)?

Perhaps Canon is thinking of going OLED in the long run. This seems likely because of the high power consumption of LCDs and the poor battery life of the 400D whose update will most likely have live-view (already available on Oly entry-level DSLRs... at rock bottom prices as well).

When the 30D was released, many people were disappointed by the poor feature set as compared to the D200. Some argued that it was possible that Canon was going to introduce some revolutionary updates later. Well, we have now arrived at that point... 1D MkIII with AF issues, 40D without AF micro-adjustment and the same 9 pt AF, 230k 3" LCD screen. Is this what Canon considers progress???

They know what they need to do, but seem very slow in implementation:
http://www.dslrphoto.com/2006/07/07/canons-chuck-westfall-qa-about-the-future-dslr-development/
Perhaps new technology is too challenging.
 

I really wouldn't bet on that. Judging from Canon's proven brilliance in delighting its non-1D customers, there is a 99.99% probability that the 5DmkII would be nothing more than a 40D with a full-frame sensor.

I agree. Canon has never been known to buck the product differentiation strategy.
 

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