i am not upgrading to 40d

[photo.cavendish]

So much talks here.. i buay tana.

i decided .. and i dived into a 40D today.

Nevermind the bigger 3" but so-called poorer LCD, indeed the camera outperformed a 20D for sure and the AF is significantly faster than a 30D

Like it or not, at 1.9k.. pay and solve all the flicking confusion in their threads..

Lastly, Liveview. see on Camera LCD okay , but when moved to Computer LCD, the focus runs.. but will explore... to me.. as long as not as reliable than the Viewfinder.. i will dump it.

 

[Bluesteel]

For those that are interested....

Repost of what I have posted at ButterflyCircle

40D and 1D3 LCD screen resolution

Both the screens have increased to 3 inches but retaining the same 230,000 pixel resulting in lesser pixel density which might have partially contributed to the rather fuzzy image on the LCD during post shot review when you zoom in all the way to 10X magnification.

The Camera system generated a low resolution thumbnail whenever you take a shot , be it on RAW ,sRAW or Jpeg and uses it when you choose post shot review . I suspect it is this system of using a low resolution Jpeg Thumbnail for post shot review that is the main cause of this fuzziness of the LCD image.

With the same 230,000 pixel spreading over a bigger 3 inch screen the thumbnail resolution that was good enough for the 2 inch LCD and perhaps the 2.5 inch LCD is now not good enough for a 3 inch LCD, particularly if f you zoom in all the way at 10X you are going to get a fairly pixelated view of the low resolution thumbnail.

The above has been verified in the last 3 days , pictures viewed thru the LCD review could be fuzzy but when the full resolution RAW or JPEG data were downloaded to the PC they are in perfect focus.

I have been experimenting on how best to overcome this and has found a possible solution to increase the sharpness if you need it to review how well you have focused .

The following is recommended for RAW shooter NOT FOR JPEG shooter which might create post processing problem with the in camera Digic III sharpening your picture to whatever sharpness you've selected if you shoot in JPEG:

Bump up the sharpness setting to 6 or 7 instead of the default 3 under Standard Picture Style ( it can be any style, it really does not matter) With this sharpness boost the thumbnail image when zoom in 10 times provides reasonable sharpness for you to check your focus. This sharpness setting in the picture style has no effect on the RAW data .

I personally do not think the LCD resolution is the cause of this unsharp or fuzzy image in the LCD review mode, as in Live View mode the LCD screen is fully capable of rendering the actual scene pick up by the sensor and even if you zoom in all the way to 10x in live view mode the subject on you screen remains sharp with fine details.

It is more of an issue of using a low resolution thumbnail for post shot review.

 

[Photo Nuts]

While it is a known fact that Canon listens to their professionals, sometimes you wonder how consumers like us can possibly bring feedback to Canon (other than a brash email to the management? :bsmilie: )

I've done that. I wrote an email to one of the Canon supervisors here in Singapore, urging him to inform the Japanese headquarters how important AF micro-adjustment is. Now, look at the 40D specs. Sigh...

Unfortunately, I have to disagree that Canon listens to the professionals. I doubt they listen to anyone at all. They just do their own thing. I hope Canon loses major shares. Here are several examples:

- lack of dedicated mirror lock-up button (pros have been complaining about this....)
- useless direct print button
- poor auto ISO implementation (they may as well not provide this functionality... dumba**es)
- Phil Askey's CF door complaint... took Canon several years to rectify this... sigh...
- multiple reviewers' lament on the poor 350D/400D grip... totally ignored
- ISO in viewfinder... again took Canon several years to rectify this
- poor low-light AF accuracy on the 300D/350D/400D/10D/20D/30D models

 

[tato]

Wow, the consumer these days are hard to please, give you weather proof , you want water proof, give you water proof you want fire proof.

It is the same reason why we are at where we are right now. If not for these never ending craving for improvement, we might still be living inside the cave. :bsmilie:

 

[lightning]

It is the same reason why we are at where we are right now. If not for these never ending craving for improvement, we might still be living inside the cave. :bsmilie:

Totally agrees with you!:bsmilie:

 

[calebk]

I've done that. I wrote an email to one of the Canon supervisors here in Singapore, urging him to inform the Japanese headquarters how important AF micro-adjustment is. Now, look at the 40D specs. Sigh...

Unfortunately, I have to disagree that Canon listens to the professionals. I doubt they listen to anyone at all. They just do their own thing. I hope Canon loses major shares. Here are several examples:

- lack of dedicated mirror lock-up button (pros have been complaining about this....)
- useless direct print button
- poor auto ISO implementation (they may as well not provide this functionality... dumba**es)
- Phil Askey's CF door complaint... took Canon several years to rectify this... sigh...
- multiple reviewers' lament on the poor 350D/400D grip... totally ignored
- ISO in viewfinder... again took Canon several years to rectify this
- poor low-light AF accuracy on the 300D/350D/400D/10D/20D/30D models

They do listen. It's just that the professionals that they listen to are a small and atas (higher up) group. :bsmilie:

 

[photo.cavendish]

I've done that. I wrote an email to one of the Canon supervisors here in Singapore, urging him to inform the Japanese headquarters how important AF micro-adjustment is. Now, look at the 40D specs. Sigh...

Unfortunately, I have to disagree that Canon listens to the professionals. I doubt they listen to anyone at all. They just do their own thing. I hope Canon loses major shares. Here are several examples:

- lack of dedicated mirror lock-up button (pros have been complaining about this....)
- useless direct print button
- poor auto ISO implementation (they may as well not provide this functionality... dumba**es)
- Phil Askey's CF door complaint... took Canon several years to rectify this... sigh...
- multiple reviewers' lament on the poor 350D/400D grip... totally ignored
- ISO in viewfinder... again took Canon several years to rectify this
- poor low-light AF accuracy on the 300D/350D/400D/10D/20D/30D models

Agree with you any engagement process from SG is not effective. But seriously Canon is not bothered about the Singapore market, tried, .. they dun care.

 

[David]

I've done that. I wrote an email to one of the Canon supervisors here in Singapore, urging him to inform the Japanese headquarters how important AF micro-adjustment is. Now, look at the 40D specs. Sigh...

Unfortunately, I have to disagree that Canon listens to the professionals. I doubt they listen to anyone at all. They just do their own thing. I hope Canon loses major shares. Here are several examples:

- lack of dedicated mirror lock-up button (pros have been complaining about this....)
- useless direct print button
- poor auto ISO implementation (they may as well not provide this functionality... dumba**es)
- Phil Askey's CF door complaint... took Canon several years to rectify this... sigh...
- multiple reviewers' lament on the poor 350D/400D grip... totally ignored
- ISO in viewfinder... again took Canon several years to rectify this
- poor low-light AF accuracy on the 300D/350D/400D/10D/20D/30D models

Can't really blame Canon totally. It's a combination of marketing tactics, engineering limitations, and having to satisfy millions of users around the world.

If someone says the 350D-400D grip is bad, there are others with certain hand size who like it that way. How to satisfy? And if the Direct Print feels unnecessary or tacky, I believe there are others who may like it. I think those who are not so much into photography but nevertheless, owns the 40D, may use it. It's an added feature to spruce the cam up. How then?

I'm not sure if there's a Canon feedback that can be sent to Canon Japan. As far as I know, you can forget about doing that via our Canon Singapore. I doubt the guys there are technically minded. Tried once with a Canon compact which I had some complaints about. I suggested if they could inform the Japan headquarters. The guy from Canon S'pore couldn't even appreciate the issue I brought up! In the end, I just told him, Nevermind...

 

[thw]

As far as I know, you can forget about doing that via our Canon Singapore. I doubt the guys there are technically minded. Tried once with a Canon compact which I had some complaints about. I suggested if they could inform the Japan headquarters. The guy from Canon S'pore couldn't even appreciate the issue I brought up! In the end, I just told him, Nevermind...

Actually, if you can get the attention of the supervisor, it's quite alright. But you may not be so popular with the staff there next time... :bsmilie:

 

[David]

Actually, if you can get the attention of the supervisor, it's quite alright. But you may not be so popular with the staff there next time... :bsmilie:

Ha.. Oh, got such thing ah? That's kinda making it too big..

I really wish they had some technical feedback programme for us Canon users. And then all the useful ones get compiled and sent to Canon Japan for consideration.

I wonder how Canon improves its designs or features... Sometimes, those reviews say "...Canon finally listens to its users..." But I never know how that is possible. Do they really ask for opinions? Or maybe only from a limited population of users.

 

[lightning]

Wah after looking at the sony release, I think the 40D is not so bad

 

[Dithiolium]

Just tested the 40D @ Canon Vivo. Had the old 18-55kit. Shutter count 1400.
3" LCD is huge, 2.5" is sufficient.
The only feature I find most fun: Live View with continuous burst. set at small file size cos it only had a 128MB card in it. Hearing the cam softly humming along without the mirror slap.

I won't be getting the 40D either. The shutter count is now 1500+.

 

[ericmar]

Just tested the 40D @ Canon Vivo. Had the old 18-55kit. Shutter count 1400.
3" LCD is huge, 2.5" is sufficient.
The only feature I find most fun: Live View with continuous burst. set at small file size cos it only had a 128MB card in it. Hearing the cam softly humming along without the mirror slap.

I won't be getting the 40D either. The shutter count is now 1500+.

What do you mean by "The shutter count is now 1500+."? Are you referring to the demo unit at Canon Vivo?

 

[cantaresg]

Haha... probably he shot hundred plus shots at vivo just now. I went yesterday, but did not have the time to try, as the shop was closing at the point

 

[Redsun]

How would you know its 1500+
Dun worry if u get new set wont have shutter of 1500++

 

[Dithiolium]

I was shooting with the 40D @ canon showroom.
The last photo number was 1500+ thereabouts, that should be the shutter count as well.
6.5fps is wicked fast.
I'm sticking to my 400D equivalent for now, simply dun have the $$ now to BbB.
Go there and play with the 40D, without having to pretend you want to buy at the other shops. Bring your CF card even. But watch the nose oil stain on the LCD screen ;p

Cheers

 

[carbon14]

IMO, I would say the best way to make canon listen is to switch to nikon! Punishing them is the best way get ourselves voice heard:bsmilie:

See what happen to nikon the past few years when they were in denial of full frame sensor.
I still find it disappointing that a imaging giant like them is still sub-contracting out their pro camera components to Sony.

 

[rvxing]

IMO, I would say the best way to make canon listen is to switch to nikon! Punishing them is the best way get ourselves voice heard:bsmilie:

See what happen to nikon the past few years when they were in denial of full frame sensor.
I still find it disappointing that a imaging giant like them is still sub-contracting out their pro camera components to Sony.

Switch will burn a lot of pocket, just hold and don't buy will do.

Nikon didn't sub out to Sony, they just can't make cheaper CMOS or CCD sensor, so buy from Sony loh

 

[zj2000]

Switch will burn a lot of pocket, just hold and don't buy will do.

Nikon didn't sub out to Sony, they just can't make cheaper CMOS or CCD sensor, so buy from Sony loh

yup... just refuse to buy.... canon can't afford to keep sleeping anymore... nikon's new sensor designs are showing promise and i'm sure it'll trickle down to their entry level models.... sony looks like it's going to steal a lot of market share from both canon and nikon in the next few years...

 

[thw]

Checked AF accuracy of the 40D at the Vivocity showroom with the infamous dog-toy.

Walked away TOTALLY IMPRESSED.

No hesitation. No nudging back and forth with each half press. Just rock solid stable and precise.

Here's more. Some guy posted a series of 40D AI Servo shots taken at a cycling meet:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=373869
Amazing, huh?

Honestly, after the 1D MkIII AF fiasco, I was a bit skeptical of Canon's ability to produce cameras that can focus decently.

With such stupendous AF performance, I can now say the 40D is a MUST buy. Fewer AF points, low rez 3" LCD, lack of AF miroadjustment, lack of articulating LCD screen, lack of contrast based AF in live view: none of these matters as long as the camera can focus accurately and has decent high ISO performance.

Of course, it will be even better if it's smaller and lighter. (I'm sure millions will disagree with me regarding weight/size. I don't care. :bsmilie: )